Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 7

[Saint]

It only matters for the Right Wing media to make a big story out of it, if it's a Govt employee.

I'm guessing it's somebody who works in the Premier's office in Public Relations.

In which case the media will make a big song and dance about it but nobody will really care.

Does anyone think it's just some random punter who knows nothing about the workings of Govt? Could be the ALP's PR firm. If so, I'd suggest it's been a success if it's now front page in the Costello and Murdoch media.

 

[Chief]

It only matters for the Right Wing media to make a big story out of it, if it's a Govt employee.

I'm guessing it's somebody who works in the Premier's office in Public Relations.

In which case the media will make a big song and dance about it but nobody will really care.

Does anyone think it's just some random punter who knows nothing about the workings of Govt? Could be the ALP's PR firm. If so, I'd suggest it's been a success if it's now front page in the Costello and Murdoch media.

Good time to reveal now. Nobody is listening to the LNP gronks.

Those guys should be praising the dude/dudette for epic trolls. They love that stuff.

 

[eddiesmith]

if they were posting non confidential s**t in their own time, no cares at all. most govt roles dont preclude you from having a political opinion (ie firefighters have been very vocal politically)

if they are breaking confidentiality or impartiality requirements, then they are looking for a new job and potentially getting a whack

again, i dont follow the dude at all simply because i have zero interest in following anon whisper accounts on twitter (its bad enough during trade week)

The trouble was despite not following shitty Twitter accounts, this thread was full of all their bullshit tweets. So most don’t follow but know all about them due to the constant spamming by a certain moderator.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

The trouble was despite not following shitty Twitter accounts, this thread was full of all their bullshit tweets. So most don’t follow but know all about them due to the constant spamming by a certain moderator.

who cares

if posting integrity matters to you, does that mean you are finally leaving victoria?

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

BruceFromBalnarring - Not sure what the laugh react was for?

Have they ever said "I am not a Vic gov employee"?

I’ll ask it in another way. Did you think the red shirts thing was ok?

 

[Chief]

I’ll ask it in another way. Did you think the red shirts thing was ok?

That was something about state employees wearing t-shirts and doing some election work?

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

That was something about state employees wearing t-shirts and doing some election work?

Correct. Edit:On behalf of the ALP.

 

[Chief]

Correct.

How does that marry up with someone having a Twitter account?

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

How does that marry up with someone having a Twitter account?

It comes down to where, when, to what extent….

 

[Chief]

It comes down to where, when, to what extent….

You'll have to be less cryptic.

Are you saying that IF this person was a state employee AND they were paid by the state to run a pro-Labor Twitter account THEN it's the same as the election stuff?

Have they ever said they are or are not a state employee? A Labor party employee?

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

You'll have to be less cryptic.

Are you saying that IF this person was a state employee AND they were paid by the state to run a pro-Labor Twitter account THEN it's the same as the election stuff?

Have they ever said they are or are not a state employee? A Labor party employee?

I don’t know if they have said that. Does it matter?

Yes that’s what I’m saying.

 

[Chief]

I don’t know if they have said that. Does it matter?

Yes. If they have lied about who they work for then yes it does matter.

If they have stated from the outset "I'm a State gov employee but this is my private account I post to in my own time" then what is the problem?

Or if they have said "I am a Labor party employee and I post whenever I feel like it" what is the problem?

Another point: Have they posted inside information? Information not known to journalists or the general public? Or do they just post commentary?

 

[The Punter]

If a Ministerial staffer was PRGuy, that's a bad look and nothing more.

If it was a public servant (that is Departmental comms staff), then they would be doing it at the direction of the government and it would probably still amount to nothing more than a bad look. Both would arguably be a not-entirely-appropriate use of taxpayer funds.

The red shirts signed documents stating they were working for a purpose in a place whereas they were working somewhere different for purposes clearly prohibited by Parliament's rules. It's in a different class of offence, and the work performed by the red shirts had a clear and fundamental effect on the result of the 2014 State Election.

 

[Crankyhawk]

You'll have to be less cryptic.

Are you saying that IF this person was a state employee AND they were paid by the state to run a pro-Labor Twitter account THEN it's the same as the election stuff?

Have they ever said they are or are not a state employee? A Labor party employee?

My interpretation of the question is whether it is seen to be OK for someone being paid by the state to engage in political activity to promote one or another party
I suppose though if the twitter posts are all happening outside of work hours, it could be deemed private use
so different to red shirts where paid hours were being used

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

My interpretation of the question is whether it is seen to be OK for someone being paid by the state to engage in political activity to promote one or another party
I suppose though if the twitter posts are all happening outside of work hours, it could be deemed private use
so different to red shirts where paid hours were being used

That's right. But it goes a bit further than that.

Now admittedly, this is putting 2 and 2 together to come up with 7 or 8.

But what if PRGuy is an employee of the state, and uses the account to message other employees of the state to "trend" various messages?

I understand that Dan Andrews' communications team has grown exponentially in recent years. To what extent is that comms team being used for party political purposes? Particularly when the political message being sent out includes such inflammatory stuff as calling opponents of vaccine mandates "nazis" and "fascists"? Which is a weird and historically ignorant thing to call anyone who is opposed to mandated government policy.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

That's right. But it goes a bit further than that.

Now admittedly, this is putting 2 and 2 together to come up with 7 or 8.

But what if PRGuy is an employee of the state, and uses the account to message other employees of the state to "trend" various messages?

I understand that Dan Andrews' communications team has grown exponentially in recent years. To what extent is that comms team being used for party political purposes? Particularly when the political message being sent out includes such inflammatory stuff as calling opponents of vaccine mandates "nazis" and "fascists"? Which is a weird and historically ignorant thing to call anyone who is opposed to mandated government policy.

Avi Yemini identifies as a nazi. He is on video telling a nazi rally that he is a proud jewish nazi.

But yeah, PRGuy is the bad one

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

Avi Yemini identifies as a nazi. He is on video telling a nazi rally that he is a proud jewish nazi.

But yeah, PRGuy is the bad one

Seriously. Why, when you well know something is sarcasm, do you represent to others that it is serious?

It's truly dishonest.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Seriously. Why, when you well know something is sarcasm, do you represent to others that it is serious?

It's truly dishonest.

So you think he was trolling the nazis?

While at the same time employing them for his security team?

 

[eddiesmith]

who cares

if posting integrity matters to you, does that mean you are finally leaving victoria?

Context, you’re complaining that you don’t care about shitty Twitter trolls, but neither do most but it was shoved down our throats here, not because people actually followed the troll.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

So you think he was trolling the nazis?

While at the same time employing them for his security team?

No I think you're trolling now and should probably suspend yourself.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Seriously. Why, when you well know something is sarcasm, do you represent to others that it is serious?

It's truly dishonest.

We’ve been through this before. Your sarcasm is not obvious.

 

[eddiesmith]

No I think you're trolling now and should probably suspend yourself.

They always troll, but a troll who supports Albo and Dan is acceptable under Bigfooty rules.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Context, you’re complaining that you don’t care about shitty Twitter trolls, but neither do most but it was shoved down our throats here, not because people actually followed the troll.

 

[CM86]

No I think you're trolling now and should probably suspend yourself.

They always troll, but a troll who supports Albo and Dan is acceptable under Bigfooty rules.

Ghost Patrol These are pretty serious allegations. Do you feel defamed?

Those two posters support identifying people.
Or maybe they just support extremists like Avi?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Ghost Patrol These are pretty serious allegations. Do you feel defamed?

Those two posters support identifying people.
Or maybe they just support extremists like Avi?

They support extremists like Avi, and generally parrot Peta Credlin's lines.