Toast Round 15 = Collingwood 88-77 GWS

[TheVillageIdiot7]

I wouldn't have been screaming as I didn't know the law. But surely it has to be deemed deliberate. Otherwise a fist in a marking contest at the top of a square could be pinged or an errant pass to a teammate? I saw a Carlton bloke accidentally kick a behind for the opposition from about 30 metres away the other week. It wasn't free kicked.

Its the same rules as boundary line in that marking contests are exempt.

But same rules apply around intent vs execution.
So passing to a teammate and missing them is 'ok'.

This happens (outside the square) so infrequently that the umps will pay it whenever its a sneaky chance!!

At the time (and at the game) i was super frustrated by it, but i think was a reflection of the game and how it was going at the time (it was on the back of a few other dubious decisions / non decisions).

But cold light of day....i can see why they paid it and am ok with it.
Far more than the Darcy taking the legs earlier in the year.....

 

[TheVillageIdiot7]

Was at the game yesterday. First game live since 2019.

The main thing i learnt was that we are genuinely hard to play against. Its not a false economy based on who we play....we have a simple, but very effective defensive zone and the way we hold out fwds and backs lets us compete on every line.
I'm not going early....but whilst we don't have many injuries, we'll be in most games this year. That's all you can ask. Where we finish will be on us.

Our defensive positioning and the way we held them up was outstanding.
We did everything to force the long kick, solely to get at them and turn it over and go.

Was awesome to watch at times.
The only time it got away from us was when one of two were lazy on the switch (DC had a shocker at one stage ball watching that nearly cost us).

That was the biggest 11 point smashing i've seen in a long long time.
At no point did it feel like we were scrambling.

Even at the start, we owned them but for some poor decisions (IQ going inboard when he could have taken 15m and had a running shot under no pressure in the 1st....resulted in 1 of their 2 goals for the half).
At the end when they got a run on. Kelly kicked one from 45 on the boundary in the wet on the wrong side (fair kick btw!).
Hogan getting out the back for another when we turned it over very poorly by not taking the option open in the middle.
Darcy free for deliberate....that's 3 that were on us.

But the rest of the game was a gulf between us and them in general play.

Glad Chugg got a game, and a win, but its no surprise he just wasn't up to it.
Never proactive and trailed his opponent everywhere.
The one time he just had to give it under pressure he tried to take off and got caught.
For me, that's immediate red flags.
Anyway i'm super stoked for him and i hope the match committee got to see what they wanted as a call will need to be made on him.

Good win and highlighted (live) why general stats don't mean much to this team.
The running without reward was just first class and big reason we just continue to get so many looks (32 shots & 60+ I50 is going to win far more games than it will lose.....that's 2010/2011 territory....with the same accuracy )

 

[Pie eyed]

Haven’t cringed at something as much as the Texas flag in our cheer squad yesterday.. why?

Cox.
He's an Aussie citizen now so...no need anymore.

 

[10571z]

Cox.
He's an Aussie citizen now so...no need anymore.

Yeah, obviously for cox but why? If anything he wants to distance himself from American and constantly says how happy he is to to be Australian

 

[Maggie5]

Two things that annoyed me yesterday were why when players are 15-20 metres out in play and not from a standing start dribbling the ball when kicking for goal on the run? Sometimes fair enough on a dry ground as I imagage the players practice this but yesterday it would have been an easy kick through the goals.

The other is we rarely have anyone standing down during a marking contest in case the ball is spilled. GWS did that well yesterday.

As an aside, we sat next to a family of 5 yesterday and there was a bit of confusion. The attendant came to them a couple of times to check their ticket as another family of five had the exacts same seats. Ticketek had sold them twice.

Fortunately there were empty seats around us and the second lot didn't make a fuss and seated elsewhere. Lucky it wasn't against a team that had a lot of their supporters there but how can this happen?

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Just on the umpiring….. I thought they were pretty good with the exception of the Moore decision. In that case I think they were very harsh on him given the slippery conditions. I don’t believe he he intended to rush the ball through ( just towards goals) and he overpowered the toe poke. … and then having realised that did everything in his power to be first to the ball on the goal line.

The Sidebottom one ( which didn’t affect results) was probably there…. sidey got pinged for taking the Mickey. Apart from some 50/50 sliding calls the rest of the game was incident free from an umpiring perspective

 

[Maggie5]

Yeah, obviously for cox but why? If anything he wants to distance himself from American and constantly says how happy he is to to be Australian

Not so sure, possible that he has dual citizenship.

 

[jmac70]

Great win in the end despite going to sleep in the last. That was a strong Giants team.

The deliberate call on Moore was appalling.

 

[JLC]

He wasn't the only one yesterday looking at the clock during their set shot routine. Maybe it's a new instruction to milk the full 30 when they are in front. Like basketball using all the shot clock.

Whilst they have a 30 second shot clock, how the player elects to use the 30 seconds should be up to them. Whose to say Ben Brown doesn’t go back 50m just to waste time and use up the 30 seconds.

Sidey was not even close to using up 30 seconds as the umpire had only just finished setting the mark.

For mine that’s a poor call.

 

[10571z]

Not so sure, possible that he has dual citizenship.

Be nice if the cheer squad could stick to pies flags… all I’m saying

 

[TW Sherrin]

Whilst they have a 30 second shot clock, how the player elects to use the 30 seconds should be up to them. Whose to say Ben Brown doesn’t go back 50m just to waste time and use up the 30 seconds.

Sidey was not even close to using up 30 seconds as the umpire had only just finished setting the mark.

For mine that’s a poor call.

its been a rule for years now so you'd think professional footballers would know the rule.

 

[ipswichpies]

Not so sure, possible that he has dual citizenship.

I thought the Americans did not allow dual citizenship I know you have renounce your nationality when becoming US citizen.

 

[Capital Magpie]

Fly's presser

A few heart murmurs at the end?


What does a week like that do to the players? Is it a big distraction?


The game could have been over by 3QT, but you couldn't put enough pressure on the scoreboard.


Steele Sidebottom was excellent leading from the front and to have one of your real leaders stand up especially after a distracting week.


What did you make of the decision to call play on when Steele Sidebottom was lining up in the goal square from a 50m penalty?


The Darcy Moore rush behind decision has created a lot of discussion. What's your interpretation of that and what do you teach the players?


How impressed are you with Darcy Cameron and what are you going to do with the ruck when Brodie Grundy is available?


When is Brodie Grundy expected to return?


Brayden Maynard's 150th game and he looked on early and did a great job restricting Toby Greene to just one goal. Can you speak about how important he is inside the walls.


Have you spoken to Jordan De Goey since the press conference on Friday and are you expecting him to be at training tomorrow?


Is JDG happy with how the club has handled the situation? Is he angry and upset?


Could JDG return next week?


First time since 2019 you've won 5 consecutive games and you are 7th. In your wildest dreams, could you imagine the first season being as good as it has been under your tutelage?


Did Vossy end up taking you out for dinner?


At any point, do you dare to dream about finals?


What were the conversations when you took over. Were you taking over a side that was rebuilding and was it about patience. Is the rebuild done or is it a mini rebuild?

Post Match: Craig McRae

Hear from the coach after his side's 11 point victory over the GIANTS.

www.collingwoodfc.com.au

Thanks for taking the trouble to post the transcript of Fly's post match presser each week PonsfordMagpie. Very much appreciated as it's not always possible to play the audios and listen properly during my lunchbreak at work.

 

[Mollythedolly]

I dont think he'll make it long term...

I disagree. Really smart footballer. He’ll find his path to a long career.

 

[Pistol Night]

Fly's presser

A few heart murmurs at the end?


What does a week like that do to the players? Is it a big distraction?


The game could have been over by 3QT, but you couldn't put enough pressure on the scoreboard.


Steele Sidebottom was excellent leading from the front and to have one of your real leaders stand up especially after a distracting week.


What did you make of the decision to call play on when Steele Sidebottom was lining up in the goal square from a 50m penalty?


The Darcy Moore rush behind decision has created a lot of discussion. What's your interpretation of that and what do you teach the players?


How impressed are you with Darcy Cameron and what are you going to do with the ruck when Brodie Grundy is available?


When is Brodie Grundy expected to return?


Brayden Maynard's 150th game and he looked on early and did a great job restricting Toby Greene to just one goal. Can you speak about how important he is inside the walls.


Have you spoken to Jordan De Goey since the press conference on Friday and are you expecting him to be at training tomorrow?


Is JDG happy with how the club has handled the situation? Is he angry and upset?


Could JDG return next week?


First time since 2019 you've won 5 consecutive games and you are 7th. In your wildest dreams, could you imagine the first season being as good as it has been under your tutelage?


Did Vossy end up taking you out for dinner?


At any point, do you dare to dream about finals?


What were the conversations when you took over. Were you taking over a side that was rebuilding and was it about patience. Is the rebuild done or is it a mini rebuild?

Post Match: Craig McRae

Hear from the coach after his side's 11 point victory over the GIANTS.

www.collingwoodfc.com.au

I must admit, im not usually into listening to press conferences and all the cliches and dribble that get churned out but I could listen to Flys common sense responses and deflection of bullshit all day

 

[Mollythedolly]

The non-decision yo award WHE the free kick when he marked and a GWS player continued to stay in the protected zone cost us a certain goal (he ended up playing on and Cox marked and missed).

Not paying Elliot’s below the knees on the final minute.

If I watched more of it I’d be sure to pick up additional ones like the play on decision to Steele.

If you looked clinically through the entire game I’m sure you’d find examples their supporters are throwing up as well. Ginni taking Davis?? below the knees for instance.

Didn’t have an issue with Sidey not being able to milk the clock. I hate it when opposition do it to us so not fussed if we’re not allowed to do it. It was a simple shot from the goal square. Just kick the footy. What I do have an issue with is players seemingly unaware that’s how it would be interpreted. That’s a failing by either the AFL for not telling clubs, or the club for not forwarding that info to players if they did.

 

[Mollythedolly]

Given that he touched it on the line, the kick off the ground wasn’t the last touch and as far as I’m aware, shouldn’t even come into consideration any more. As though it never happened.

Did he rush it through on the line while technically under no pressure? Possibly, but he was;
a) no chance of knowing that Riccardi had stopped behind him, and
b) no chance of stopping the ball actually going through anyway. All he could do was deflect it slightly.

Doubt either a or b make any difference. As I say,I didn’t like it as a decision as I didn’t think it was in keeping with the spirit of the game. I’m just saying that to the letter of the law, it was justifiable.

 

[FIGJAM]

Huh?

I don't get the controversy on this one, even as a Collingwood supporter who frequently complains about the umpriring.

It's one of the most black and white rules we have.

You can't rush a behind outside the goal square. It's pretty simple. Had GWS done the same thing down the other end we would have been screaming for deliberate

18.11.2 Free Kicks - Deliberate Rushed Behinds

A field Umpire shall award a Free Kick against a Player from the Defending Team who intentionally Kicks, Handballs or forces the football over the Attacking Team’s Goal Line or Behind Line or onto one of the Attacking Team’s Goal Posts, and the Player:

(a) is greater than nine metres from the Goal Line or Behind Line;

My take is that Moore was fairly trying to keep the ball in front of him, was under immediate physical pressure from Riccardi (including being pushed no less), was wet conditions and he never had any intent to kick the ball between the sticks.

It's only a "black and white rule" if you ignore the intent component. Otherwise if you read rule 18.11.2 (a) in isolation, you could start strategically kicking the ball into the back of opponents who are standing 10 metres for a rushed behind out to draw a free.

Discretion needed to be applied there and wasn't. If that contest in wet conditions was on a wing and went out of bounds, do you think it would have been deliberate or a lack of intent to keep it in? Don't think so. Fair contest. Play on!

Further to this, there are plenty of instances where teams stuff a kick going back to their team mate that go through for a point from over 9m, so it's clear that intent is critical here. The ump called it badly.

 

[neilk]

Managed to catch up with Kirby before the game in the Haydn Bunton Bar and then reconvene at half-time. He said the rain had passed and we should join him out in the open at ground level for the second half. Just before the heavens opened on us he stated that GWS were looking like a team who did not want to be out here. That was just before they kicked 7-1 in the last quarter! I'm not saying he is a jinx, but others may differ.

 

[Mollythedolly]

They were advised to be consistent. What was consistent about forcing Sidey to kick the ball wicket. He’d just jogged over 50m from the penalty. Surely he can take some time to compose himself. Secondly, I did notice that the umpire still hadn’t restarted the game clock. While he was demanding Sidey kick.


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Umpire restarted the clock when he set the mark.

Common sense? Ump pings Sidebottom for 'taking the mickey' on simple shot

The umpire repeatedly urged Steele Sidebottom to take his kick, then called play on before the time had expired.

www.theroar.com.au

 

[Anzacday]

its been a rule for years now so you'd think professional footballers would know the rule.

More to the point the umpire asked him to kick it and he ignored him.

 

[biggiemediums]

Two big things that would improve Cox' game tremendously that I see is:

a) He needs to lead towards the ball, always. No more leading away from the player, his strength lies in marking the ball at its furthest point because no one can reach his hands. His strength is not in stationary one on one strength contests.

b) His teammates really need to try kicking it in front of him so he can run onto it. Don't like seeing the ball kicked directly above his head and him having to wait 2-3 seconds stationary.

Both points go hand-in-hand.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Managed to catch up with Kirby before the game in the Haydn Bunton Bar and then reconvene at half-time. He said the rain had passed and we should join him out in the open at ground level for the second half. Just before the heavens opened on us he stated that GWS were looking like a team who did not want to be out here. That was just before they kicked 7-1 in the last quarter! I'm not saying he is a jinx, but others may differ.

I’m not saying he’s a jinx, but he’s not not a jinx!

 

[The Magnificent Seven]

If you looked clinically through the entire game I’m sure you’d find examples their supporters are throwing up as well. Ginni taking Davis?? below the knees for instance.

Didn’t have an issue with Sidey not being able to milk the clock. I hate it when opposition do it to us so not fussed if we’re not allowed to do it. It was a simple shot from the goal square. Just kick the footy. What I do have an issue with is players seeming unaware that’s how it would be interpreted. That’s a failing by either the AFL for not telling clubs, or the club for not forwarding that info to players if they did.

If it smells bad, it is bad imo.

What really got my goat is the umpire telling Sidey he was "taking the Mickey" and was being penalised for doing so, even though it's well within the rules to take his full 30 seconds. The umpire overstepped 'interpreting' the rules to 'twisting' the rules because of his personal bias or some other ego-driven thing.

If 30 seconds is not, in fact, 30 seconds then come out and say it for everyone. Otherwise it does look like a very unfair and unprofessional ruling.

 

[jmac70]

If it smells bad, it is bad imo.

What really got my goat is the umpire telling Sidey he was "taking the Mickey" and was being penalised for doing so, even though it's well within the rules to take his full 30 seconds. The umpire overstepped 'interpreting' the rules to 'twisting' the rules because of his personal bias or some other ego-driven thing.

If 30 seconds is not, in fact, 30 seconds then come out and say it for everyone. Otherwise it does look like a very unfair and unprofessional ruling.

Precisely.
Ben Brown would have gone back to the 50 meter line to take that kick and would not have been called to play on.