Toast Round 15 = Collingwood 88-77 GWS

[Markfs]

So the secret is to have a teammate look at the clock and tell you when there is a set amount of time to go? It's a silly unworkable rule that is going to irritate by being umpired inconsistently.

Ultimately though, I'm glad they called play on. We were dominating. It's GWS who should have been looking to waste time to limp to the break before too much damage was done and reset there system at the break.i think we're silly to waste time when the game was at the stage it was.

people are making out that this is the first time an umpire has done it. I can remember it happening last year and soon after the rule was introduced. Players were just standing there looking at the clock and umpires would hurry them up. I must admit this is the first time that I've seen an umpire signal play on without much warning. He should have to say 5 seconds or something, which kind of defeats the whole 30 second thing. I think the AFL should probably drop the 30 seconds and make the players put on a show to get their delay ...like sock pulling up... or feigned concussion etc

 

[Markfs]

I thought the Americans did not allow dual citizenship I know you have renounce your nationality when becoming US citizen.

I know someone who was born in australia and registered as an american and has travelled with two passports since they could travel indpendently. The only problem for Mason which he probably knows already is the the US tax people chase his money even if he earns it in australia

 

[sr36]

people are making out that this is the first time an umpire has done it. I can remember it happening last year and soon after the rule was introduced. Players were just standing there looking at the clock and umpires would hurry them up. I must admit this is the first time that I've seen an umpire signal play on without much warning. He should have to say 5 seconds or something, which kind of defeats the whole 30 second thing. I think the AFL should probably drop the 30 seconds and make the players put on a show to get their delay ...like sock pulling up... or feigned concussion etc

I think they should just stop the clock until the player is running in.

 

[Mollythedolly]

If it smells bad, it is bad imo.

What really got my goat is the umpire telling Sidey he was "taking the Mickey" and was being penalised for doing so, even though it's well within the rules to take his full 30 seconds. The umpire overstepped 'interpreting' the rules to 'twisting' the rules because of his personal bias or some other ego-driven thing.

If 30 seconds is not, in fact, 30 seconds then come out and say it for everyone. Otherwise it does look like a very unfair and unprofessional ruling.

Not sure how the umpire can have overstepped if as he said that’s how he’s directed to adjudicate. Has there been anything from the AFL saying it was wrong?

 

[Jen2310]

coaches votes

Collingwood v Greater Western Sydney​

9 Darcy Cameron

14

Darcy Cameron

Age

30

Ht

204cm

Wt

103kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

6.0

1star

K

3.3

1star

HB

2.7

2star

CL

0.3

2star

HO

5.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

3.0

2star

CL

0.5

3star

HO

3.5

5star

D

6.0

2star

K

3.3

2star

HB

2.7

3star

CL

0.3

2star

HO

5.3

5star

(COLL)
8 Steele Sidebottom

22

Steele Sidebottom

Age

35

Ht

184cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.4

5star

K

14.1

5star

HB

13.3

5star

M

5.5

5star

T

3.7

5star

CL

3.2

5star

D

24.0

5star

K

12.0

5star

HB

12.0

5star

M

4.5

4star

T

4.3

5star

CL

2.3

4star

D

31.6

5star

K

14.4

5star

HB

17.2

5star

M

4.2

4star

T

4.2

5star

CL

6.0

5star

(COLL)
6 Brayden Maynard

4

Brayden Maynard

Age

29

Ht

189cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.4

4star

K

11.6

4star

HB

5.9

4star

M

3.9

4star

T

3.6

5star

MG

327.8

4star

D

20.7

5star

K

14.0

5star

HB

6.7

4star

M

3.9

4star

T

3.0

4star

MG

417.4

5star

D

13.8

4star

K

8.6

4star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.6

5star

MG

205.8

4star

(COLL)
4 Stephen Coniglio

3

Stephen Coniglio

Age

32

Ht

182cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

24.5

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

11.5

5star

M

3.8

4star

T

4.7

5star

CL

4.7

5star

D

21.3

5star

K

12.5

5star

HB

8.8

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

3.8

4star

CL

5.4

5star

D

19.2

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

11.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.2

4star

CL

3.0

5star

(GWS)
2 Taylor Adams

3

Taylor Adams

Age

32

Ht

181cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

24.9

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

11.4

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

4.8

5star

CL

5.0

5star

D

20.4

5star

K

12.4

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

5.9

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

18.2

5star

K

11.0

4star

HB

7.2

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.0

5star

CL

2.2

4star

(COLL)
1 Jesse Hogan

23

Jesse Hogan

Age

30

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.0

4star

K

9.3

4star

HB

5.7

4star

M

6.4

5star

T

1.4

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

10.3

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.3

3star

M

5.3

5star

T

0.0

1star

G

0.0

1star

D

13.0

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.0

3star

M

6.4

5star

T

1.4

4star

G

1.8

5star

(GWS)

 

[Sea fog]

coaches votes

Collingwood v Greater Western Sydney​

9 Darcy Cameron (COLL)
8 Steele Sidebottom (COLL)
6 Brayden Maynard (COLL)
4 Stephen Coniglio (GWS)
2 Taylor Adams (COLL)
1 Jesse Hogan (GWS)

Yep basically agree with these. Coniglio back in form for them and Hogan votes. Does this mean Moore smashed again?

 

[jmac70]

coaches votes

Collingwood v Greater Western Sydney​

9 Darcy Cameron (COLL)
8 Steele Sidebottom (COLL)
6 Brayden Maynard (COLL)
4 Stephen Coniglio (GWS)
2 Taylor Adams (COLL)
1 Jesse Hogan (GWS)

Elliott should have got votes.

 

[jmac70]

Not sure how the umpire can have overstepped if as he said that’s how he’s directed to adjudicate. Has there been anything from the AFL saying it was wrong?

Why would the AFL say it was wrong?

 

[Sea fog]

Elliott should have got votes.

I reckon Hosky-Elliott as well.

 

[Mollythedolly]

Don't think so. As he explained once you are seen to be milking the time rather than preparing for the shot at goal they have been instructed to call play on. Once Sidey looked at the countdown clock to see how much time left its considered milking

Yeah, it’s become an accepted norm though. Every player does it. It’s the change in interpretation that causes the confusion. I’d assume we’ll see a lot more of it over coming rounds.

 

[Markfs]

I think they should just stop the clock until the player is running in.

well the question is why did they change the traditional way to do it

The other ridiculous call is run-up for a guy going for goal from the boundary.....and the contrast to someone kicking out of the back pocket. The first bloke gets no consideration at all and the backman gets an armchair ride. I saw a bloke have to shorten his run-up so much when he trying to kick a goal that he couldnt balance himself enough to kick it straight..

 

[Mollythedolly]

Why would the AFL say it was wrong?

I don’t think it was but why wouldn’t they if it was? What’s to gain keeping that a secret?

 

[KrispyKremePie]

There is no rule that says the player must be allowed 30 seconds to kick. It’s entirely up to the umpire. This is the rule;

20.2 DISPOSAL FROM BEHIND THE MARK
(a) A Player who has been awarded a Mark or Free Kick shall be directed by a field Umpire to dispose of the football within a reasonable time in a direct line from The Mark to the centre of their Goal Line.
(b) If a Player does not dispose of the football within a reasonable time, or attempts to dispose of the football other than in a direct line over The Mark, the field Umpire shall call ‘Play On’ and the football shall immediately be in play.

EDIT: IMHO, one of the big problems in our game is that none of the commentators knows the rules.

It appears the coach didn’t know the rule too, going by his post match press conference.


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[Mollythedolly]

There is no rule that says the player must be allowed 30 seconds to kick. It’s entirely up to the umpire. This is the rule;

20.2 DISPOSAL FROM BEHIND THE MARK
(a) A Player who has been awarded a Mark or Free Kick shall be directed by a field Umpire to dispose of the football within a reasonable time in a direct line from The Mark to the centre of their Goal Line.
(b) If a Player does not dispose of the football within a reasonable time, or attempts to dispose of the football other than in a direct line over The Mark, the field Umpire shall call ‘Play On’ and the football shall immediately be in play.

EDIT: IMHO, one of the big problems in our game is that none of the commentators knows the rules.

I haven’t had a chance to see the footage again.

But it still doesn’t explain the rule being umpires need to be consistent. I understand that it’s a fait accompli, but they can’t choose when to and when not to allow the 30sec. Need to be consistent….


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Wearmouth see gerryg400 post included above.

 

[jmac70]

I don’t think it was but why wouldn’t they if it was? What’s to gain keeping that a secret?

If the kick had of been smothered there would be a lot more talk.

 

[Mollythedolly]

in the situation Moore really didn't have many choices. if he tried to pick it up Riccardi probably kicks a goal off the ground. really the only choice he had was to kick it forward.

Yep. Nobody says footy’s always fair.

 

[domus]

Watch it again. He deliberately toed the ball. Tough but it was a free

Fly agrees with me and he watched the same footage.

 

[Mollythedolly]

If the kick had of been smothered there would be a lot more talk.

A lot more anger perhaps, but wouldn’t have changed anything.

 

[TradeDraft]

Good win. Everyone played their role. Can't really complain.

Love they announced Cameron's contract after the game.

Happy days.

Could Kick lot better for Goal

 

[jmac70]

A lot more anger perhaps, but wouldn’t have changed anything.

It would have increased the focus on the decision.

 

[TradeDraft]

Yeah it was close, but it looked clear to me (only a few metres from the behind post). Plus I don’t think Murphy would have remonstrated so strongly and for as long if Moore didn’t get there.

Edit: replay here, behind the goal footage shows the footy deviate when Moore’s hand is near the ball. Nick Daicos questions it too. Like the Hawthorn one the ump guessed and guessed wrongly.

VAR again not used for something Obvious.

Like in Dogs Game

 

[Gone Critical]

Coach A

5 Cameron
4 Maynard
3 Steele
2 Adams
1 Coniglio

Coach B

5 Steele
4 Cameron
3 Coniglio
2 Maynard
1 Hogan

Coach A Fly??

Reckon Hoskin and Elliott especially were hard done by. Adams lucky.

 

[Gone Critical]

Thought it was a great effort by the players after the week they had. WHE right back in form and Jamie is just a star. ND smooth as a river pebble.

 

[ipswichpies]

NO problems with duel citizenship in the US, unless you want you run a media company.
Murdoch renounced his Australian citizenship to gain licenses in the US.

Thank you for that reply, that is what made me think they did not allow dual citizenship I remembered Murdock had to renounce his citizenship not that that is a bad thing who would want him as a fellow countryman.

 

[Anzacday]

It has happened before…

AFL backflip on the 'shot clock'

League to keep 'shot clocks' on scoreboards for the complete quarter

www.afl.com.au