Bye Bye Nobles

[Samsquanch]

How long did your review take? I presume it was more extensive than ours will be, as it seems we are only doing the football department.

Not all circumstances will be the same, but I'm pretty sure that Walsh will have the situational awareness to recognise common themes and the wherewithall to identify causes so that solutions can be recommended. If somebody has done this kind of review before, then they are likely to recognise common themes.

Even if North are doing similar things to the other clubs at present the results are not similar - that's possibly because different approaches are needed for teams at different stages of development, maturity and capability. If North people currently think they are doing what a normal footy club does then they are wrong.

Walsh will identify that. He knows the lifecycles. That is what experience is all about.

 

[Mr Lloyd Christmas]

It’s very hard to want to put in 100% when you don’t respect or like your boss.

Yes that is correct.

This whole "put in for the jumper regardless" is very idealistic and a tad naive imo.

That being both sport and/or business, if you don't want to be there or don't like who you are working for, many simply will not perform to their full capacity.

Some might sure, purely out of their own pride and discipline, but most wont.

I know I didn't that's for sure, and it wasn't a conscience decision to become that way either btw.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

I've been thinking about this a bit more.

I honestly this "good bloke" rhetoric is being overplayed a bit.

The amount of people saying it's "sad" because "he's a good bloke", "so unlucky", "players aren't there for him" etc etc.

What's bloody sad to me is how pathetic we are playing and how utterly inept he appears at doing his job.

Like I get it, it is disappointing if he's let go and he is in fact a top fella, never nice to see someone try and fail, but really it's irrelevant now to the wider picture.6

I care about winning and the health of our football club.

Noble is actively damaging our future with every day he spends as head coach from now on imo.

If anything he was lucky to be given the opportunity to start with us.

So yeah, i'm a bit over the feel sorry for him stuff if and when we do move on Noble, thank him for his services and lets start a new chapter.

MLC.

ps: King Corey I have a theory on what you have posted which i'll get to.

It's perfectly fine to feel bad for somebody that is struggling with a public role, in particular when all the blame for it is being laid at his feet, yet still feel their time in the role is done. It's a quality us humans call empathy. He is poorly coaching a football team, not poorly solving the Ukraine crisis.

 

[Mr Lloyd Christmas]

It's perfectly fine to feel bad for somebody that is struggling with a public role, in particular when all the blame for it is being laid at his feet, yet still feel their time in the role is done. It's a quality us humans call empathy. He is poorly coaching a football team, not poorly solving the Ukraine crisis.

Well I didn't say you couldn't feel bad did I TFW.

It is perfectly fine. Again, I didn't say it couldn't be.

I said it has been overplayed regarding Noble, which is my opinion that I believe I am entitled to.

If you feel sorry for him, go for it. Send him some flowers mate.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Well I didn't say you couldn't feel bad did I TFW.

It is perfectly fine. Again, I didn't say it couldn't be.

I said it has been overplayed regarding Noble, which is my opinion that I believe I am entitled to.

If you feel sorry for him, go for it. Send him some flowers mate.

Yes, we're all entitled to opinions. I figured if you were going to type your umpteenth wall of text on the subject then you're happy for debate but clearly not.

 

[Le Grille]

Well I didn't say you couldn't feel bad did I TFW.

It is perfectly fine. Again, I didn't say it couldn't be.

I said it has been overplayed regarding Noble, which is my opinion that I believe I am entitled to.

If you feel sorry for him, go for it. Send him some flowers mate.

It doesn’t have to be that way though, I maintain he was given a pretty challenging task hasn’t succeeded so if he goes (likely) we can all move on. I’m not saying you but many people have given him a lot of shit when he has tried to do a job to the best of his ability and it appears that will come to an end which is logical considering the results but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t deserve empathy or a little respect on the way out. Sort of thanks for the effort sorry it didn’t work out.

It just didn’t work we move on and go again.

Re: the players not playing for him, it’s not naive to expect professionalism from the players not just for the club but the supporters and teammates. If they have misgivings re the coach use other methods than downing tools, it is disappointing

 

[Mr Lloyd Christmas]

Yes, we're all entitled to opinions. I figured if you were going to type your umpteenth wall of text on the subject then you're happy for debate but clearly not.

Very happy to. You're the one all touchy about me saying him being a "good bloke" has been overplayed is somehow wrong because you have "empathy" and I apparently do not.

Happy to debate how relevant it now is to him keeping his position as head coach.

 

[Mr Lloyd Christmas]

It doesn’t have to be that way though, I maintain he was given a pretty challenging task hasn’t succeeded so if he goes (likely) we can all move on. I’m not saying you but many people have given him a lot of s**t when he has tried to do a job to the best of his ability and it appears that will come to an end which is logical considering the results but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t deserve empathy or a little respect on the way out. Sort of thanks for the effort sorry it didn’t work out.

It just didn’t work we move on and go again.

Re: the players not playing for him, it’s not naive to expect professionalism from the players not just for the club but the supporters and teammates. If they have misgivings re the coach use other methods than downing tools, it is disappointing

Couldn't agree more. Didn't say he didn't deserve empathy at any stage did I LG?

Of course he deserves that, and he will receive it if/when his termination occurs.

I simply was referring for the "feel sorry for him", "unlucky" part like as if it is relevant (I don't think it is), that to me has been overplayed and if you disagree that is fine.

 

[Le Grille]

Couldn't agree more. Didn't say he didn't deserve empathy at any stage I LG?

Of course he deserves that and he will receive it if/when his termination occurs.

I simply was referring for the "feel sorry for him", "unlucky" part, that to me has been overplayed and if you disagree that is fine.

I’m not saying you said that, it’s more of an explanation as to the philosophy of those sentiments that you think are overblown, if that makes sense. For the record I don’t think it’s overblown and even if it was I don’t think it’s a huge issue. The important part is the change was made (if it happens)

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Very happy to. You're the one all touchy about me saying him being a "good bloke" has been overplayed is somehow wrong because you have "empathy" and I apparently do not.

Happy to debate how relevant it now is to him keeping his position as head coach.

If I'm touchy it's because it's clear as day you hate the bloke (let's talk about overplayed) and that earlier post reads as little more than a serve at people that are showing a sympathetic view on him. It's nothing more than another chance to display your disdain. "I've been thinking a bit more" about a good guy rhetoric, why do you care? That's using others goodwill to rinse and repeat the same narrative you've been putting forward and it presents like you're angry people are having a contrary view on him as you are. Of course you'll deny that but every time you make a comment about David Noble you're saying the same thing but from a slightly different angle. I'm this close to asking admin to change your username to Noble 360.

As for his position as head coach we all know it's untenable but if people think we're going to have some miraculous change of fortunes once he's gone then we're gonna be saying bye bye more times than NSYNC. The issues are far more widely spread than the coach. They might be despite the coach, we just won't know until we've had another one sacked.

 

[Chadwiko]

As for his position as head coach we all know it's untenable but if people think we're going to have some miraculous change of fortunes once he's gone then we're gonna be saying bye bye more times than NSYNC. The issues are far more widely spread than the coach. They might be despite the coach, we just won't know until we've had another one sacked.

Very well said, Filthy.

 

[Mr Lloyd Christmas]

If I'm touchy it's because it's clear as day you hate the bloke

Wrong.

But Noble 360 is fine lol

 

[Mr Lloyd Christmas]

As for his position as head coach we all know it's untenable but if people think we're going to have some miraculous change of fortunes once he's gone then we're gonna be saying bye bye more times than NSYNC. The issues are far more widely spread than the coach. They might be despite the coach, we just won't know until we've had another one sacked.

I think you just made that up to serve your own purpose as to who's to know what could happen with a change of coach.

That type of mindset that we can't improve is about as negative as we are playing.

But yes of course, you are entitled to your opinion which I won't ridicule..

 

[shinboner magic]

Walsh waiting for the cats to smash us to knife him is my guess.
Can’t see out the year if he’s lost the players and especially our potential gun players dislike him.

I really thought he looked like a good operator and had great ppl skills - thought the younger players would of loved him.

 

[King Corey]

Dudes. Anyone betting on it wouldn't expect David to be coaching us in 2023.

Whether you think that's fair or otherwise is a different matter.

If you feel like offering him a virtual hand shandy to relieve his pending hardship - or would like to virtually knife him for the sins he's committed is your personal choice should you like to choose an extreme viewpoint.

Most on he would guess is he won't be renewed. So IMO it's not worth stressing either way in the short term as to exactly how his potential departure is enacted.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Wrong.

But Noble 360 is fine lol

Well I thought you'd like that one.

I think you just made that up to serve your own purpose as to who's to know what could happen with a change of coach.

That type of mindset that we can't improve is about as negative as we are playing.

But yes of course, you are entitled to your opinion which I won't ridicule..

I never said we can't improve but blaming one thing and hoping all the problems will go away with them is simplistic at best.

 

[Mr Lloyd Christmas]

Dudes. Anyone betting on it wouldn't expect David to be coaching us in 2023.

If you feel like offering him a virtual hand shandy to relieve his pending hardship - or would like to virtually knife him for the sins he's committed is your personal choice should you like to choose an extreme viewpoint.

You are so closed minded these days.....

 

[AnEmptyChair]

As for his position as head coach we all know it's untenable but if people think we're going to have some miraculous change of fortunes once he's gone then we're gonna be saying bye bye more times than NSYNC. The issues are far more widely spread than the coach. They might be despite the coach, we just won't know until we've had another one sacked.

What do you mean by 'miraculous change of fortunes'?

There's a few who seem to suggest that some people are saying that sacking Noble makes us a top 8 team and that it's an immediate panacea. That's absolute bullshit. I don't think there are many, if any, even suggesting that. In fact, it's often used as an absurd argument to easily dismiss contrary opinions by people who are unwilling to countenance that he could or perhaps could go.

But if 'miraculous changes of fortune' includes actual and identifiable improvement, includes a better atmosphere among the players, includes structures that allow us to get the best out of our prodigiously talented young players, includes ball movement that is actually cohesive and purposeful, and includes actual consistent effort and application, then I don't think it's unreasonable to expect any of that at all

 

[Mixed Results]

Sometimes the simplest solution is the best.

For the first 26 games of Noble’s career everything was fine. Then the spray after the Brisbane game happened, and after a failed turnaround against Sydney we proceeded to lose the next 10 games by 47+ points.

The first four weeks were acceptable considering the expectations. Some decent efforts against Hawthorn and Sydney, a win against West Coast, and a huge loss against Brisbane. Par for course with a healthy percentage for a side expected to win between four and six games.

Since then something dramatic has turned and the simplest explanation was that Noble lost the respect and trust of his playing group. The players and support staff around him were adequate for his first 26 games, so the question that Geoff Walsh needs to figure out is what happened in April that caused things to change. List management has been poor, the football department lacks experience, but neither of those things explain why our group has lost its fight mid-season.

People make way too many excuses for Noble. As a coach with limited tactical experience, he was brought in for his communication skills. Yet time and time again we hear about his outdated approach that hasn’t connected with our Gen Z playing list. So people have to ask what he is actually bringing to the table?

After the completion of this review and his inevitable sacking, his legacy will be as the worst coach of the modern era and a fraud who tricked an inexperienced and inept football department into thinking that he was worthy of coaching an AFL club.

2022 was a completely lost year development wise, so a competent coach next year should be able to get us back on track for the expectations that we had at the start of this year. 4-7 wins and a percentage of 65%-75%.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

What do you mean by 'miraculous change of fortunes'?

There's a few who seem to suggest that some people are saying that sacking Noble makes us a top 8 team and that it's an immediate panacea. That's absolute bullshit. I don't think there are many, if any, even suggesting that. In fact, it's often used as an absurd argument to easily dismiss contrary opinions by people who are unwilling to countenance that he could or perhaps could go.

But if 'miraculous changes of fortune' includes actual and identifiable improvement, includes a better atmosphere among the players, includes structures that allow us to get the best out of our prodigiously talented young players, includes ball movement that is actually cohesive and purposeful, and includes actual consistent effort and application, then I don't think it's unreasonable to expect any of that at all

I'm definitely referring to those in your second paragraph while hoping the final paragraph is where we sit.

 

[King Corey]

You are so closed minded these days.....

Ah you like it rough?

I respect that.

 

[Psicosis]

Don't be surprised if we see a Hardwick esc outcome of this review, resulting in a new team around Noble.

RIP Saintly.

 

[AnEmptyChair]

I'm definitely referring to those in your second paragraph while hoping the final paragraph is where we sit.

but my point is is that are there even many people suggesting those things?

i think most people are expecting the things I identify in the last para to improve and then that will lead to a natural, albeit gradual, progression. I really don't think there are that many at all saying that it's an immediate panacea to everything wrong at the club

 

[The Filth Wizard]

but my point is is that are there even many people suggesting those things?

i think most people are expecting the things I identify in the last para to improve and then that will lead to a natural, albeit gradual, progression. I really don't think there are that many at all saying that it's an immediate panacea to everything wrong at the club

Oh god yes. If you've never frequented some of our Facebook fan pages you may have dodged some bullets.

 

[Kangaroos techno]

I don't like to jump to conclusions until more information is put on the table. In these scenario's there are always "insider's" with an axe to grind. Some turn into eddie maguire types that are so invested that they want it to play out their way so they can be smug and say "i told you so". It can get a bit repetitive and nauseating in my opinion.

For that reason I see no other choice but to hire Cameron Joyce as head coach immediately. As an added bonus I hope Walsh's review concludes that Goldstein should be traded for a 2nd round pick.