The Cookers - 2/8 exposing the 28!
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I bet we get crickets
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Since pizza gate and the Trump presidential run we've seen that particular accusation weaponised, seeing as there's nothing worse to be accused of, certain sections of politics have jumped on that to smear their opponents. You hate to minimise this sort of accusation but these guys are almost certainly full of s**t.
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Perhaps they are, but if they aren't why does anyone want to support the side hiding abusers?
We are stuck in that space where hearing nothing clearly doesn't mean nothing is being hidden and hearing anything will become a fight over everything except actually finding justice.
So I'm glad this thread was brought up because I had no idea it was going on.
Everyone is on the right side of this, wanting institutional protection for child abusers to be exposed.
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One would hope that if people had proof of institutional protection for child abusers they wouldn't wait for some fanciful date to expose them on.
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It's very easy to expect other people to be heroes, it's not we are the ones who would pay the price for it.
You need only look at Hollywood and how they handled their toxic culture, turning a blind eye for decades and how they treated the likes of those two Coreys when they made an accusation - ending their careers and destroying their reputations. Driving one to suicide.
That's nothing compared to the power a government holds. We don't even have the stories of the careers ended by people protecting Saville.
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This "Expose the 28" stuff has NOTHING to do with evidence or the rule of law. It's fantasy role-playing.
These groups make things up. They use real events to mix in their conspiracy theories.
It springs from the sov cits, Q Anon, anti-vax movements. The same people spring up, followed by the far-right, PHON, PUP, as soon as their splinter of the conspiracy movement gets some critical mass.
They're people experiencing turbulence in their lives. The pandemic is a perfect example of such turbulence. Personal economic hardship. Relationship breakup. Mental health crises.
They are hyper-vigilant, alarmist, absolutist and end up disconnected from reality.
www.vox.com
The internet lets them get together, share their message, and also lets the unscrupulous get their hooks into them by stoking their egos and giving them resources. Mobs like PHON, PUP, George Christensen, Malcolm Roberts, Craig Kelly, and now it has spread further into the state and fed LNP. They are in it for political power and profit.
Internationally there are people with hundreds and hundreds of thousands of followers - millions in the case of people like "clammy little weirdo" Ben Shapiro.
Then we have tech companies like Twitter and Youtube/Google, Odysee and Telegram and Gab. All want a boost to their valuation or share price or ad metrics so they either actively encourage it or flail around pretending they care but doing the minimum.
These groups make things up. They use real events to mix in their conspiracy theories.
It springs from the sov cits, Q Anon, anti-vax movements. The same people spring up, followed by the far-right, PHON, PUP, as soon as their splinter of the conspiracy movement gets some critical mass.
They're people experiencing turbulence in their lives. The pandemic is a perfect example of such turbulence. Personal economic hardship. Relationship breakup. Mental health crises.
They are hyper-vigilant, alarmist, absolutist and end up disconnected from reality.
Conspiracy theories, explained
Americans are embracing dangerous conspiratorial beliefs, from QAnon to coronavirus denial.
www.vox.com
The internet lets them get together, share their message, and also lets the unscrupulous get their hooks into them by stoking their egos and giving them resources. Mobs like PHON, PUP, George Christensen, Malcolm Roberts, Craig Kelly, and now it has spread further into the state and fed LNP. They are in it for political power and profit.
Internationally there are people with hundreds and hundreds of thousands of followers - millions in the case of people like "clammy little weirdo" Ben Shapiro.
Then we have tech companies like Twitter and Youtube/Google, Odysee and Telegram and Gab. All want a boost to their valuation or share price or ad metrics so they either actively encourage it or flail around pretending they care but doing the minimum.
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Steps to avoid criticism in politicizing pedophilia for personal grudges:
1. Call someone a pedophile without proof.
2. Contact alt-right members on social media to amplify your message.
3. Describe people who disagree with you as supporters of pedophiles.
4. Contribute nothing to the groups that actually fight pedophilia.
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How do you hear about this stuff? I only seem to be exposed to these fringe right wing things by people who are very not right wing here.
Doesn't it serve to demonise legitimate attempts to target institutions protecting child abusers to make discussion of it into conspiracy talk?
Doesn't it serve to demonise legitimate attempts to target institutions protecting child abusers to make discussion of it into conspiracy talk?
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Yes? Hence why the claims should not solely come from conspiracy theorists?
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Isn't the culture at the moment that anyone who makes a claim a conspiracy theorist? Even if it's personal?
It's in the institutions interests to propagate things like this. It makes anyone saying anything easily dismissed.
This isn't being given air by theorists, it's from the guy who runs this site.
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That's quite a leap in logic. A QAnon supporter making a claim is different to even a stranger on the street making that same claim when the former has a history of chasing blatantly false conspiracy theories.
The reality is what is justice these days ....
Since when have the cookers been concerned with actual child and/or sexual abuse? Particularly on behalf of the state and its institutions.
Otherwise border patrol and DHS in America would have been enemy number 1, instead of insane ramblings about white hats, faked ballots and secret wars.
The guy who by all accounts was responsible for Qanon, is allegedly a pedophile, made his money from distributing illegal pornography and ran a website where members traded child pr0n.
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I love when TayTay gets her teeth in to defending some bizarre position and spends her entire time obfuscating and twisting arguments to try to pretend it's somehow valid.
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I'm not defending it at all. I'm questioning why it's even discussed here because, again, it's more fringe stuff I don't see anywhere else and it's reinforcing a culture where people who make claims about institutional power protecting child abusers less believable and more easily dismissed as conspiracy theories.
Couple this with Maxwell being found guilty of trafficking to nobody else charged while she operated in elite powerful circles.
Now talking about that is pushed into the fringe conspiracy. The only people that benefits are the people involved in the abuse.
I'm sure everyone is on the side of protecting children
Couple this with Maxwell being found guilty of trafficking to nobody else charged while she operated in elite powerful circles.
Now talking about that is pushed into the fringe conspiracy. The only people that benefits are the people involved in the abuse.
I'm sure everyone is on the side of protecting children
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If only the conspiracy nongs stopped making s**t up so that actual cases of child abuse are taken seriously hey?
Also this;
Taylor
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I agree. Just like how it took a movement in Hollywood for the worst kept secret to be openly discussed there, I can understand trying to build a sense of momentum to give people confidence to speak.
Because I'm certain if one or a small group spoke out about something it would only get air if it worked to political advantage of existing powers, otherwise it will get no coverage and those people will be dealt with.
Again, we don't even know how many careers were ended protecting Jimmy Saville at the BBc.
This is the saddest part of it all.
In the end predatory grifters make a lot of money. Gullible people lose money and there is never any justice for the victims.
A lot of fanfare on YouTube, Facebook and Telegram, all for nil.
Crankyhawk
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have the cookers actually released any "list?" or was it just publicity stunt
and the cynic in me thinks that the cooker leaders have been paid (possibly by institutions involved in protecting child abusers) to discredit legitimate investigations. Because anything the cookers associate with becomes instantly something that the anti cookers (such as myself) will instinctively reject before examining the issue, and even then creates a bias against them.
******* cookers
and the cynic in me thinks that the cooker leaders have been paid (possibly by institutions involved in protecting child abusers) to discredit legitimate investigations. Because anything the cookers associate with becomes instantly something that the anti cookers (such as myself) will instinctively reject before examining the issue, and even then creates a bias against them.
******* cookers
