2022 Australia Cup Thread
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Cloudy. Very high chance of rain. The chance of a thunderstorm. Heavy falls possible. Winds north to northwesterly 35 to 50 km/h. Rainfall 30 to 45 mm
Tmw night in Devonport sounds fun for the teams. Could be quite like the 2016 games. I think the pitch has improved a bit since then, but, then again, 30-45 mm is a lot for it to take.
Shame for the club. They were hoping for 3.5K for what is, the biggest game played on this island by a Tasmanian Club
Tmw night in Devonport sounds fun for the teams. Could be quite like the 2016 games. I think the pitch has improved a bit since then, but, then again, 30-45 mm is a lot for it to take.
Shame for the club. They were hoping for 3.5K for what is, the biggest game played on this island by a Tasmanian Club
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Australia Cup Round of 32 Week Three
FT Devonport City 0 V 4 Wellington Phoenix
FT Peninsula Power 4 V 1 Spirit FC
FT Sydney United 58 3 V 0 Monaro Panthers
FT Western United 2 V 1 Melbourne Victory
FT Devonport City 0 V 4 Wellington Phoenix
FT Peninsula Power 4 V 1 Spirit FC
FT Sydney United 58 3 V 0 Monaro Panthers
FT Western United 2 V 1 Melbourne Victory
Yeah, Nix gave them no chance of a cupset 
Adelaide United V Adelaide City! That's huge 
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Adelaide United V Adelaide City! That's huge
awesome!
Fantastic to see the non-NSW Member clubs getting the job done. The NSW bias for the last 20 years has been sickening.
The number of Member clubs through to R16 per state, and the number of spots they were given:
VIC - 4/5
SA - 2/2
QLD - 2/4
NSW/ACT - 1/7
WA - 0/2
TAS - 0/1
NT - 0/1
If there's going to be a cupset, there's a good chance it will be this coming round of 16.
The number of Member clubs through to R16 per state, and the number of spots they were given:
VIC - 4/5
SA - 2/2
QLD - 2/4
NSW/ACT - 1/7
WA - 0/2
TAS - 0/1
NT - 0/1
If there's going to be a cupset, there's a good chance it will be this coming round of 16.
I'm curious, is there a coefficient type thing with this Cup? Like for continental club cups?Fantastic to see the non-NSW Member clubs getting the job done. The NSW bias for the last 20 years has been sickening.
The number of Member clubs through to R16 per state, and the number of spots they were given:
VIC - 4/5
SA - 2/2
QLD - 2/4
NSW/ACT - 1/7
WA - 0/2
TAS - 0/1
NT - 0/1
If there's going to be a cupset, there's a good chance it will be this coming round of 16.
Because based on the past couple of seasons, Victoria should have like 10 NPL teams next season and NSW 3
I'm curious, is there a coefficient type thing with this Cup? Like for continental club cups?
Because based on the past couple of seasons, Victoria should have like 10 NPL teams next season and NSW 3
In typical NSW-run fashion, spots are handed out to quantity, not quality. Victoria and SA should easily have more spots.
The number of clubs representing each federation is determined by player registration numbers in each jurisdiction, and reviewed annually.
Damn, I vaguely remembered that criteria and hoped they had changed that when SA got another spot but I guess not
I wonder whether I could work the coefficients out since the start of the FFA/Australia Cup for the non-A-League teams... Keep y'all posted.
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Plenty of chances for cupsets with only one all a league clash
Okay I got bored. Keep in mind this is just the non-A-League clubs, as the A-League teams are counted as separate.Damn, I vaguely remembered that criteria and hoped they had changed that when SA got another spot but I guess not
SO, I worked this out very similarly to how UEFA calculate Association/League Club Coefficients, with a couple of modifications:
The season coefficient of an association is calculated by adding up the points obtained by all its clubs in a given season in the FFA/Australia Cup, then dividing the total by the number of clubs from that association that took part in the competition in question.
UEFA explained that "penalty shoot-outs do not count" in the calculation. My interpretation of this is that it would count as a draw, rather than a win so I made this adjustment in my working.
(My) points system is as follows:
2pts - All wins from Round of 32 onwards
1 – All draws from Round of 32 onwards
2 – Round of 16 bonus participation
1 – Each round clubs reach after the round of 16
My deductions:
- 2021's FFA Cup was always going to come up fairly even, due to the 'intra-conference' matches.
- ACT is still riding on Canberra Olympic's coattails when they made the semi-finals in 2016, but definitely do not deserve a second team just yet.
- Victoria deserve a 5th team, especially after this Round of 32.
- NNSW should have one of their two slots taken off of them with their form, if not WA.
- Queensland is on the up with their 4 teams so probably should get another team soon.
- In hindsight, I could have added a bonus 1 or 2pts for 'cupsets', but chose against it.
- The cup is way too inconsistent for a coefficient system as of yet, or it gets adjusted every 5 seasons.
Might post this on twitter for a laff, see what Sokkah Twitter says.
Any questions?
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That is excellent work! I love this stuff.
I'm still not sold of the quality of NSW and think they get a lot of points there through sheer weight of numbers (teams) in the 32. When there are so many NSW clubs gifted spots, they will inevitably match up against each other, so good odds a few NSW teams always progress regardless of their quality.
I'd try a system that counts results against Member clubs from another federation than their own. Add to that any win or draw against A-League clubs, as that definately counts for something, but a loss to them should be excluded (think of this as bonus points). Then divide by the number matches played. So it's not exactly how far you get in the comp, but the results you achieve against certain opposition.
E.g. I would count a win for a NSW club against a WA/VIC/NT/ACT/TAS/QLD/SA club, but a win against another NSW or NNSW wouldn't count (I lump all NSW together). I'm thinking more of a Federation vs Federation ladder. NPL results are probably a strong indicator of where the Federations lie, but COVID times have screwed some of the comps. Modbury have done very well from the third tier!
I'm happy for TAS/NT/ACT to have a gaurateed spot. I would take 1.5 spots from NSW/NNSW and 0.5 from WA, and add one spot each to SA and VIC, leaving a playoff between NSW/NNSW and WA.
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