Analysis Are the Cats a Fraud

[Shooter#17]

Looking at Geelong of 2022 on the surface they appear sensational, however if you dig a little under the surface you will notice one of the most biased draws of all time for a side coming off a Preliminary Final.

• Sides they have doubled up against, Roos, Eagles, Saints, Dogs and Power all outside the 8.
• Of the 7 games only against top 8 sides 3 have been in Geelong, 3 at he MCG and only 1 against the swans away which was a comfortable loss.
• In the 15 games played since round 8 they have played 12 sides outside the 8 with games against Richmond and struggling Carlton at the G and Melbourne at Skilled.
• 5 of their last 8 games at Skilled
• Last 5 games against sides outside the 8.

 

[Hoops]

Looking at Geelong of 2022 on the surface they appear sensational, however if you dig a little under the surface you will notice one of the most biased draws of all time for a side coming off a Preliminary Final.

• Sides they have doubled up against, Roos, Eagles, Saints, Dogs and Power all outside the 8.
• Of the 7 games only against top 8 sides 3 have been in Geelong, 3 at he MCG and only 1 against the swans away which was a comfortable loss.
• In the 15 games played since round 8 they have played 12 sides outside the 8 with games against Richmond and struggling Carlton at the G and Melbourne at Skilled.
• 5 of their last 8 games at Skilled
• Last 5 games against sides outside the 8.

Good work Shooter!

 

[Bunnings]

Yes absolutely

 

[RUNVS]

I don't think they are a fraud but I also don't think they are ahead of a few other teams in the 8. It is going to be a very interesting finals series as I really could see one of about 5 teams winning it.

 

[PhatBoy]

As I’ve asked many times.

What should we have done in those 17 games we’ve won?

Taken players off the field? Narrowed the goals at the end we’re running towards? Lost?

Also when you’re making claims like ‘biased draws’ and then proceed to cite a handful of teams who, while out of the 8 this year, were in it last year? Your comment loses credibility. Lucky? Perhaps. Biased? Since when could a decision to double us up against last years runners up be made out of bias?

 

[Shooter#17]

I don't think they are a fraud but I also don't think they are ahead of a few other teams in the 8. It is going to be a very interesting finals series as I really could see one of about 5 teams winning it.

If I were to frame the market I would have the Swans as clear favourites.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

All they can do is win, but they've been very fortunate with their fixture, and it is why many people still have question marks on them. They could potentially have Collingwood in week 1 of finals too, which is probably the worst top 4 team in a long time (in terms of percentage at least), so their first big test could be a prelim

 

[Tristan34]

If you go back to from round 1-10 and look at the demons draw...It's soft as!!!

We have lost
1 game at MCG - ( Hawks easter Mon)
1 game at Geelong- Fremantle
1 game at marvel - Saints
1 game at SCG - Swans..


Melbourne Demons

@ MCG lost to Fremantle (comfortably)
@ MCG lost to Swans
@MCG lost to pies
Geelong and lost
@ Marvel lost to the dogs
@ MCG lost to the pies

Can Melbourne beat the good teams at the MCG this year????

 

[Beer n Skittles]

OP completely missed the biggest rigged part of their draw - they've only played teams below them on the ladder. Haven't played a single team above them! Outrageous

 

[Shooter#17]

If you go back to from round 1-10 and look at the demons draw...It's soft as!!!

We have lost
1 game at MCG - ( Hawks easter Mon)
1 game at Geelong- Fremantle
1 game at marvel - Saints
1 game at SCG - Swans..


Melbourne Demons

@ Gold Coast = loss
@ MCG lost to Fremantle (comfortably)
@ MCG lost to Swans
@MCG lost to pies
Geelong and lost
@ Marvel lost to the dogs
@ MCG lost to the pies

Can Melbourne beat the good teams at the MCG this year????

When did they lose to the GC?
Yep Melbourne has a piss easy first 10 rounds but have played finals sides 9 times in the last 12 games and doubled up 3 top 6 sides.

It's it even compatible to what Brad Scott has wheeled out for his brother.

 

[The Gong]

Some of those teams would be outside the 8 because they had to play Geelong twice. Cats are legit. I still think there's a few teams that can win it but Cats are right in the mix obviously.

 

[Tristan34]

When did they lose to the GC?
Yep Melbourne has a loss easy first 10 rounds but have played finals sides 9 times in the last 12 games and doubled up 3 top 6 sides.

It's it even compatible to what Brad Scott has wheeled out for his brother.

Made an error with GC.. LoL

Bulldogs, Port, Tigers have dropped off... Eagles have fallen off a cliff... How can that be predicted...

 

[PhatBoy]

Some of those teams would be outside the 8 because they had to play Geelong twice. Cats are legit. I still think there's a few teams that can win it but Cats are right in the mix obviously.

No place for a sensible assessment here mate

 

[The Gong]

No place for a sensible assessment here mate

Sorry.

Cats are frauds. Home ground advantage....umpires pets....soft draw....something something.

 

[Elmer_Judd]

Nope. Will win the flag easily.

Next question folks.

 

[Shooter#17]

Made an error with GC.. LoL

Bulldogs, Port, Tigers have dropped off... Eagles have fallen off a cliff... How can that be predicted...

Tigers are much stronger and you've only played them once so not sure what the point is.
Eagles were getting spoon predictions in the pre season.
Youve played 2 decent sides away from Geelong for the whole year which was a loss to the swans and a get out of jail win against the pies, tigers were also incredibly unlucky not to beat you when stewart took out prestia.

It's the softer draw I've ever seen by a long way.

 

[Osho]

Looking at Geelong of 2022 on the surface they appear sensational, however if you dig a little under the surface you will notice one of the most biased draws of all time for a side coming off a Preliminary Final.

• Sides they have doubled up against, Roos, Eagles, Saints, Dogs and Power all outside the 8.
• Of the 7 games only against top 8 sides 3 have been in Geelong, 3 at he MCG and only 1 against the swans away which was a comfortable loss.
• In the 15 games played since round 8 they have played 12 sides outside the 8 with games against Richmond and struggling Carlton at the G and Melbourne at Skilled.
• 5 of their last 8 games at Skilled
• Last 5 games against sides outside the 8.

Geewizz... who is playing better? That, surely, is the question?

Answer: noone, certainly not Melbourne, yet.

Swans look very dangerous, though.

Lions, if they have their offensive game going.

But right now, they look grand, can't take that away.

 

[Shooter#17]

Geewizz... who is playing better? That, surely, is the question?

Answer: noone, certainly not Melbourne, yet.

Swans look very dangerous, though.

Lions, if they have their offensive game going.

But right now, they look grand, can't take that away.

Of course they look grand they are playing nobody that's the whole point.

The last 2 decent sides they played were Melb in Geelong and the tigers which they should have lost.

 

[PhatBoy]

Tigers are much stronger and you've only played them once so not sure what the point is.
Eagles were getting spoon predictions in the pre season.
Youve played 2 decent sides away from Geelong for the whole year which was a loss to the swans and a get out of jail win against the pies, tigers were also incredibly unlucky not to beat you when stewart took out prestia.

It's the softer draw I've ever seen by a long way.

Last year, Melbourne got 10 games against the previous year’s top 8.
Geelong has had 9 games against last year’s top 8. Geelong themselves were part of last year’s top 8 so that leaves only 7 sides from last year’s top 8 for us to meet (Melbourne missed in 2020 so there were 8 sides for them to meet last year).
So mathematically our draw this year is really no different to Melbourne’s last year.

The next best team in 2021 - so the team that would have made finals if you remove us - is West Coast. Who we play twice - so 11 games against the 8 best teams that ARENT us. Again, last year you got 10 games against the 8 other best sides.

So in theory our draw when it was released was technically similar or even harder than yours was last year when you won the comp.

I didn’t see many people complaining about that when Melbourne hit the finals.

 

[Sttew]

To the OP - Fraud = wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain. Conclusion - OP is either trolling, hasn't got a clue or both.

• Sides they have doubled up against, Roos, Eagles, Saints, Dogs and Power all outside the 8. Cats draw was ranked 12th when the fixture was released in Dec 2021 (1 = easiest, 18 = hardest)
• Of the 7 games only against top 8 sides 3 have been in Geelong, 3 at he MCG and only 1 against the swans away which was a comfortable loss. Big deal. 3 games at home? We need a royal commission
• In the 15 games played since round 8 they have played 12 sides outside the 8 with games against Richmond and struggling Carlton at the G and Melbourne at Skilled. How does this make Geelong a "fraud"?
• 5 of their last 8 games at Skilled - given we get 9 home games at GMHBA that means we played only 4 of the first 14 at home?
• Last 5 games against sides outside the 8 - how were we to know last year's runners up (WB) and the team that finished 2nd in the 2021 H&A (PA) would not be in 8?

It really defies logic the lengths some angry, kill-joy opposition supporters will go to do everything to discredit Geelong for finishing top of the ladder in the H&A. Fact is you won't hear many if any Geelong supporters saying Cats are a shoe in for Premiership, or that Cats are by far the best team in the competition. But we continually read why Cats are supposedly undeserving of their position on the ladder.

Calling the Cats frauds for reasons completely out of their control takes the cake for Tall Poppy Syndrome 2022.

 

[Dinsdale]

thread should be in the divvy van

 

[Vikingnz]

The Cats will definitely either win the flag or not win the flag.

 

[Shooter#17]

To the OP - Fraud = wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain. Conclusion - OP is either trolling, hasn't got a clue or both.

• Sides they have doubled up against, Roos, Eagles, Saints, Dogs and Power all outside the 8. Cats draw was ranked 12th when the fixture was released in Dec 2021 (1 = easiest, 18 = hardest)
• Of the 7 games only against top 8 sides 3 have been in Geelong, 3 at he MCG and only 1 against the swans away which was a comfortable loss. Big deal. 3 games at home? We need a royal commission
• In the 15 games played since round 8 they have played 12 sides outside the 8 with games against Richmond and struggling Carlton at the G and Melbourne at Skilled. How does this make Geelong a "fraud"?
• 5 of their last 8 games at Skilled - given we get 9 home games at GMHBA that means we played only 4 of the first 14 at home?
• Last 5 games against sides outside the 8 - how were we to know last year's runners up (WB) and the team that finished 2nd in the 2021 H&A (PA) would not be in 8?

It really defies logic the lengths some angry, kill-joy opposition supporters will go to do everything to discredit Geelong for finishing top of the ladder in the H&A. Fact is you won't hear many if any Geelong supporters saying Cats are a shoe in for Premiership, or that Cats are by far the best team in the competition. But we continually read why Cats are supposedly undeserving of their position on the ladder.

Calling the Cats frauds for reasons completely out of their control takes the cake for Tall Poppy Syndrome 2022.

Funny the definition of fraud also comes through as
"a person or thing intended to deceive others, typically by unjustifiably claiming or being credited with accomplishments or qualities.
"mediums exposed as tricksters and frauds.

 

[jim boy]

Conclusion - OP is either trolling, hasn't got a clue or both

I think 'bitter' is the term you are looking for

 

[iameviljez]

We've had a softish last couple of months but we've pretty comfortably won what's in front of us, too.

If we were squeaking past the likes of StKilda et al, then, sure, it's a fraud, but the fact that we're getting through the majority of these games in significant comfort suggests that we're doing fine.