2022 Victorian State Election-November 26

Who will win the Victorian election

  • Labor

    Votes: 128 87.1%
  • Coalition

    Votes: 19 12.9%

  • Total voters
    147
  • Poll closed .
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generally 25-30 years is considered modern history right? Elections from the 80s had two generations which aren't here anymore, and there are two generations that are here now and didn't exist then. Not much point in analyzing that data in a modern context is there?

Modern history is 25 - 30 years? As you wish.:rolleyes:
 

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So the Libs are basically the Christian Nationalists up against the Pentecostal Taliban

Its pretty to watch
It would make the 'Great Split' of the 1950s which the Labor Party had to endure and was the reason why they didn't win government for 23 years until the late Gough Whitlam's victory in the 1972 federal election look tame by comparison. Could the Nationals begin to start having second thoughts about continuing with the Coalition agreement, by deciding to go it alone for the first time since 1987?
 
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It would make the 'Great Split' of the 1950s which the Labor Party had to endure and was the reason why they didn't win government for 23 years until the late Gough Whitlam's victory in the 1972 federal election look tame by comparison. Could the Nationals begin to start having second thoughts about continuing with the Coalition agreement, by deciding to go it alone for the first time since 1987?

For the upteenth time, the Victorian Nats went it alone for the entire period before 1990, and from 2000 to about 2008.
 
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You're low energy aren't you? Two replies neither actually addressing a single thing I said. Just racking up the post count with emojies and whinging, pretending to contribute.

We simply disagree. You go with 'modern history' & I see the Rudd/Gillard /Rudd followed by Abbott/Turnbull/Morrison, as an era quite separate & different from anything we have had since WW2.
That an elected PM was shown the door hopefully puts an end to an era, that included the GFC & Covidis worthy of note.
 
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Back to Vic, interesting timing by the Government to drop the ambulance report in the middle of footy finals & on a Saturday.

Fatal ambulance delays in Victoria grow to 33 as report finds delays with majority of triple-0 calls​


The last time Daniel Andrews and his cabinet signed off on the release of a damning review of deadly failures in Victoria’s triple-0 system, they opted to make former police commissioner Graham Ashton’s report public two days before the May federal election, despite having had it since March.

On Saturday they outdid themselves, choosing to reveal that 33 Victorians died after waiting too long for ambulances on a day when most Victorians are far more interested in the twilight AFL finals clash between Geelong and Collingwood than they are in political news.

Mr Pearce found the Andrews government had been aware of the Emergency Services Telecommunications Authority (ESTA)’s “precarious financial position” as early as 2015, via the findings of an Auditor-General’s report.

He found that despite work having begun “more than 10 years ago” to address a funding structure which limits ESTA’s ability to provide adequate staffing during surge events, that work is “yet to be completed”.

In March, The Australian revealed funding for an extra 43 Victorian ambulance call-takers was initially budgeted by the government only as a “contingency”, delaying the recruitment of the crucial staff by up to six months.

ESTA insiders told this newspaper the 43 staff would have been trained and working during the period that many of the deaths revealed in Saturday’s reports occurred, had the money for their employment been prioritised.

The same insiders also highlighted challenges associated with managing relationships with the four unions that cover emergency call-takers in Victoria: the United Firefighters Union, Communications Workers Union, United Workers Union and Victorian Ambulance Union.

One insider said the “rigidity” of rostering requirements under the workers’ enterprise bargaining agreements made it almost impossible for ESTA to have the flexibility needed to fill shifts during times of high demand; another said trying to get the four unions to agree to anything was like “trying to keep mice under a blanket”.

Mr Pearce went to the classification of emergencies as police, fire or ambulance in his review of Victoria’s preparedness for major public health emergencies, finding that “while the control and support arrangements which have been in place for different emergencies for many years continue to serve us well, it is difficult to escape the conclusion that the division of emergencies into classes – a peculiarly Victorian arrangement – has simply served to confuse rather than create benefit to agencies and departments.”



More material for a Opposition media campaign leading into the election.
 
Back to Vic, interesting timing by the Government to drop the ambulance report in the middle of footy finals & on a Saturday.

Fatal ambulance delays in Victoria grow to 33 as report finds delays with majority of triple-0 calls​


The last time Daniel Andrews and his cabinet signed off on the release of a damning review of deadly failures in Victoria’s triple-0 system, they opted to make former police commissioner Graham Ashton’s report public two days before the May federal election, despite having had it since March.

On Saturday they outdid themselves, choosing to reveal that 33 Victorians died after waiting too long for ambulances on a day when most Victorians are far more interested in the twilight AFL finals clash between Geelong and Collingwood than they are in political news.

Mr Pearce found the Andrews government had been aware of the Emergency Services Telecommunications Authority (ESTA)’s “precarious financial position” as early as 2015, via the findings of an Auditor-General’s report.

He found that despite work having begun “more than 10 years ago” to address a funding structure which limits ESTA’s ability to provide adequate staffing during surge events, that work is “yet to be completed”.

In March, The Australian revealed funding for an extra 43 Victorian ambulance call-takers was initially budgeted by the government only as a “contingency”, delaying the recruitment of the crucial staff by up to six months.

ESTA insiders told this newspaper the 43 staff would have been trained and working during the period that many of the deaths revealed in Saturday’s reports occurred, had the money for their employment been prioritised.

The same insiders also highlighted challenges associated with managing relationships with the four unions that cover emergency call-takers in Victoria: the United Firefighters Union, Communications Workers Union, United Workers Union and Victorian Ambulance Union.

One insider said the “rigidity” of rostering requirements under the workers’ enterprise bargaining agreements made it almost impossible for ESTA to have the flexibility needed to fill shifts during times of high demand; another said trying to get the four unions to agree to anything was like “trying to keep mice under a blanket”.

Mr Pearce went to the classification of emergencies as police, fire or ambulance in his review of Victoria’s preparedness for major public health emergencies, finding that “while the control and support arrangements which have been in place for different emergencies for many years continue to serve us well, it is difficult to escape the conclusion that the division of emergencies into classes – a peculiarly Victorian arrangement – has simply served to confuse rather than create benefit to agencies and departments.”



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When the Pentecostals are taking over the Libs it's hard to argue that the mob waiting for the rapture are going to anything about this problem.
 

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We simply disagree. You go with 'modern history' & I see the Rudd/Gillard /Rudd followed by Abbott/Turnbull/Morrison, as an era quite separate & different from anything we have had since WW2.
That an elected PM was shown the door hopefully puts an end to an era, that included the GFC & Covidis worthy of note.

Then why not just say that?

Regardless, if you just look at that period of time, which is roughly 15 years, the Australian electorate rewarded leadership instability in almost all circumstances, and punished the one government which kept its leader. Its even more glaring than the period I cited.

I am not commenting on the political theatrics or standards or culture. I am pointing out that the modern Australian electorate has a proven record of loving governments that knife their leaders. It is in a party's interest to do so.
 

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While the Legislative Assembly/House of Reps vote count will largely be a foregone conclusion on election night, there should be more focus on the Legislative Council/Senate. Because that is where Labor might be in more trouble trying to get its legislation through thanks to an expanded crossbench.

Speaking of the LA, it'll be interesting to see just how many seats the Liberals will pick up and lose on the night as opposed to its Coalition counterparts, the Nationals.
 
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While the Legislative Assembly/House of Reps vote count will largely be a foregone conclusion on election night, there should be more focus on the Legislative Council/Senate. Because that is where Labor might be in more trouble trying to get its legislation through thanks to an expanded crossbench.

Speaking of the LA, it'll be interesting to see just how many seats the Liberals will pick up and lose on the night as opposed to its Coalition counterparts, the Nationals.
I'd bet the teals are big news on the night.
 
Probably enough protest vote/people ready for change to stop the Libs getting the kind of smashing that might force them to look at what they are about. s**t opposition doesn't make for good government. kinda sucks in the long run.
yeah I think this is a fair point

state politics often works that way though, as in you're more likely to vote out a Premier than vote in one. I don't think Dan has pissed enough people off for even a good Vic Libs to have gotten elected but they certainly didn't even bother trying to be good
 
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yeah I think this is a fair point

state politics often works that way though, as in you're more likely to vote out a Premier than vote in one. I don't think Dan has pissed enough people off for even a good Vic Libs to have gotten elected but they certainly didn't even bother trying to be good
Yeah they'd be due for a boot out 4 years from now but I just don't know if that's at all likely.
 
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Back to Vic, interesting timing by the Government to drop the ambulance report in the middle of footy finals & on a Saturday.

Fatal ambulance delays in Victoria grow to 33 as report finds delays with majority of triple-0 calls​


The last time Daniel Andrews and his cabinet signed off on the release of a damning review of deadly failures in Victoria’s triple-0 system, they opted to make former police commissioner Graham Ashton’s report public two days before the May federal election, despite having had it since March.

On Saturday they outdid themselves, choosing to reveal that 33 Victorians died after waiting too long for ambulances on a day when most Victorians are far more interested in the twilight AFL finals clash between Geelong and Collingwood than they are in political news.

Mr Pearce found the Andrews government had been aware of the Emergency Services Telecommunications Authority (ESTA)’s “precarious financial position” as early as 2015, via the findings of an Auditor-General’s report.

He found that despite work having begun “more than 10 years ago” to address a funding structure which limits ESTA’s ability to provide adequate staffing during surge events, that work is “yet to be completed”.

In March, The Australian revealed funding for an extra 43 Victorian ambulance call-takers was initially budgeted by the government only as a “contingency”, delaying the recruitment of the crucial staff by up to six months.

ESTA insiders told this newspaper the 43 staff would have been trained and working during the period that many of the deaths revealed in Saturday’s reports occurred, had the money for their employment been prioritised.

The same insiders also highlighted challenges associated with managing relationships with the four unions that cover emergency call-takers in Victoria: the United Firefighters Union, Communications Workers Union, United Workers Union and Victorian Ambulance Union.

One insider said the “rigidity” of rostering requirements under the workers’ enterprise bargaining agreements made it almost impossible for ESTA to have the flexibility needed to fill shifts during times of high demand; another said trying to get the four unions to agree to anything was like “trying to keep mice under a blanket”.

Mr Pearce went to the classification of emergencies as police, fire or ambulance in his review of Victoria’s preparedness for major public health emergencies, finding that “while the control and support arrangements which have been in place for different emergencies for many years continue to serve us well, it is difficult to escape the conclusion that the division of emergencies into classes – a peculiarly Victorian arrangement – has simply served to confuse rather than create benefit to agencies and departments.”



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Pretty gutless to sit on the report for a month and then release it on a Saturday.

Hopefully Dan will address it when he comes out of hiding.
 

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yeah I think this is a fair point

state politics often works that way though, as in you're more likely to vote out a Premier than vote in one. I don't think Dan has pissed enough people off for even a good Vic Libs to have gotten elected but they certainly didn't even bother trying to be good

Regardless of opposition, do you think Dan deserves to be re-elected?
 
Regardless of opposition, do you think Dan deserves to be re-elected?
But it's not regardless of opposition is it.
Vic Libs will be below Vic Labor on my ballot currently.

Mind you all od the choices available currently are s**t
 

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But it's not regardless of opposition is it.
Vic Libs will be below Vic Labor on my ballot currently.

Mind you all od the choices available currently are s**t

Do you think Andrews term of government is enough to earn him reelection? It’s a simple question. Stop weaving.

Tbh The only place they both deserve to be is to put them both last on the ballot.
 
Do you think Andrews term of government is enough to earn him reelection? It’s a simple question. Stop weaving.
But its not because elections don't happen in a vacuum.

He's ******* terrible but he's not Matt Guy bad, and that's all that he needs to get relected.

So you have to think how bad is Matt Guy?
 

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But its not because elections don't happen in a vacuum.

He's ******* terrible but he's not Matt Guy bad, and that's all that he needs to get relected.

So you have to think how bad is Matt Guy?
In hindsight, the Liberals possibly made a big error of judgement by picking Matt Guy to return as leader. But the problem is when you got the extreme right wing of the party in total control, who else would they have turned to get them out of the mire with the election not that far away?
 
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Unfortunately it's always been the choice of the lesser of 2 evils in Vic. The independents have been a breath of fresh air federally, I'm hoping for a similar result at state level but not as confident due to the funding laws Dan put in to stifle them.

Labor's rule of 'if you don't support everything we do you'll immediately get expelled' reeks of a religious cult. Our best hope for a competent government is a minority Labor govt with a s**t load of independents to ensure accountability.
 

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Unfortunately it's always been the choice of the lesser of 2 evils in Vic. The independents have been a breath of fresh air federally, I'm hoping for a similar result at state level but not as confident due to the funding laws Dan put in to stifle them.

Labor's rule of 'if you don't support everything we do you'll immediately get expelled' reeks of a religious cult. Our best hope for a competent government is a minority Labor govt with a s**t load of independents to ensure accountability.
Codswallop.
 
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