The Greens

[sherb]

Is deliberately misrepresenting/lying about what someone says to win an argument (2 posts in a row) now an accepted part of BigFooty posting?

 

[Gralin]

I said I had no issue with the comments made, only the timing. You are deliberately lying about my position.

Piss poor for a moderator. Do better.

You have issues with what is being said, it you didn't the timing would not matter.

Is deliberately misrepresenting/lying about what someone says to win an argument (2 posts in a row) now an accepted part of BigFooty posting?

You're hiding behind timing so you're tone policing the issues and now claiming yo br attacked

 

[Gralin]

Also interesting that you think someone from Pakistan doesn't have a right to speak out about British Imperialism

 

[sherb]

You have issues with what is being said, it you didn't the timing would not matter.


You're hiding behind timing so you're tone policing the issues and now claiming yo br attacked

Completely untrue on both counts.

 

[Gralin]

Completely untrue on both counts.

And yet....

 

[Johnny Bananas]

The greens are still a capitalist party in general, they've got their share of tree tories and other capitalists.

Really, they have to be if they want to create change within the structure of electoral politics. Australians have shown they have some appetite for social democracy and even public ownership in a few key industries, but they have no appetite for the end of capitalism, or else Socialist Alliance would be a much bigger deal. (I'm sure SAlt would remain minor and obscure, given how much of an embarrassment their members are, in my experience)

 

[Gralin]

Really, they have to be if they want to create change within the structure of electoral politics. Australians have shown they have some appetite for social democracy and even public ownership in a few key industries, but they have no appetite for the end of capitalism, or else Socialist Alliance would be a much bigger deal. (I'm sure SAlt would remain minor and obscure, given how much of an embarrassment their members are, in my experience)

Trots ain't the answer either

 

[Schneebly11]

Pauline Pantsdown has already told Faruqi to “piss off back to Pakistan” for her comments.

Bandt was told to leave the country by redneck Queensland Liberal Phillip Thompson (ex soldier who threatened to kill Muslims on FB once).

What is it with right wing sooks and not being able to handle the slightest bit of criticism?

In response here’s one of Australia’s best comics, Lewis Spears, and his Queen death set. You can tell he’s been prepping for it:



“None of his jokes ever fall dead. Can’t say the same about the Queen….”

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Getting out of politics would be a good start, where she is one of the elite, rich and/or privileged - ie a symbol of the very system she seems unhappy with.

So you're saying social and material change cannot be pushed for from inside the realm of electoral politics, because that makes one a privileged elite. The only other options, then, are tactics like strikes, blockades, sabotage and revolution. I didn't really peg you for a revolutionary, but I guess the world is full of surprises.

What i said (bolded) did NOT imply that "this legacy must always be discussed in positive terms?"

How the hell did you draw that conclusion? "Wider implications of their life" would clearly cover ALL implications - both positive and negative.

Geezus.

So it's wrong for anyone to say anything at all about Lizzie, or any aspect of her reign, until you deem it appropriate to do so. Alright, I'll tell the whole world's media to cease their coverage immediately. You work on policing average people's conversations.

 

[Schneebly11]

So it's wrong for anyone to say anything at all about Lizzie, or any aspect of her reign, until you deem it appropriate to do so. Alright, I'll tell the whole world's media to cease their coverage immediately. You work on policing average people's conversations.

The media is already now casting Charles as a “hero”, a “true monarch” who isn’t the guy we knew before:

Translation - they’re brainwashing people into continuing to love the Royals again.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Trots ain't the answer either

Then the answer doesn't lie in electoral politics. I don't know why one would bother focusing on the Greens or any other political party then, if representative democracy isn't the vehicle they want to use to alter society.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

It was. You can at least let someone's body get cold before you go down the route that Bandt has gone, certainly in the case of someone who was loved by millions and was a symbol of the problem rather than being or causing that problem.

Oh well, agree to disagree on this one mate.

With the wall-to-wall tsunami of coverage, I hardly think it’s distasteful to include a bit of honesty.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I align with this woman's views on a number of topics.

But "a racist empire built on stolen lives, land and wealth of colonised peoples."??

She is correct, but if that is what she objects to, is she not aware that by living in modern Australia she is benefitting from the same thing? Especially, if the Twitter feed is correct, she has three investment properties?

I doubt she’d deny she’s a beneficiary of all that.

It’s about nuance, and getting away from oppositional, binary arguments.

 

[Gralin]

Then the answer doesn't lie in electoral politics. I don't know why one would bother focusing on the Greens or any other political party then, if representative democracy isn't the vehicle they want to use to alter society.

Trots are only one other example of left wing politics but yeah I think direct action is more effective that electoral politics

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

You have issues with what is being said, it you didn't the timing would not matter.


You're hiding behind timing so you're tone policing the issues and now claiming yo br attacked

Your powers extend to mind reading now? Pretty presumptuous to tell someone what they’re really doing.

As it happens, I disagree with Sherb, but he couldn’t have made it clearer that his issue is entirely with the timing, not the comments themselves.

So you just have to accept that.

 

[Gralin]

Your powers extend to mind reading now? Pretty presumptuous to tell someone what they’re really doing.

As it happens, I disagree with Sherb, but he couldn’t have made it clearer that his issue is entirely with the timing, not the comments themselves.

So you just have to accept that.

Nah
If sherb agreed with what was being said there would be no complaints about timing.
Wouldn't have been running down Faruqi either

If you're more worried about being polite than telling the truth you're not interested in the truth being told

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Nah
If sherb agreed with what was being said there would be no complaints about timing.
Wouldn't have been running down Faruqi either

If you're more worried about being polite than telling the truth you're not interested in the truth being told

OK I’ll PM Sherb and tell him he thinks he’s right but you know he’s wrong.

 

[Gralin]

OK I’ll PM Sherb and tell him he thinks he’s right but you know he’s wrong.

I'm sure he thinks he has no issue with what's being said

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I'm sure he thinks he has no issue with what's being said

Again with the mind reading.

 

[Gralin]

Again with the mind reading.

I mean that is what sherb wrote, that it's just a timing issue.

My view is if you have a problem with the timing you actually do have an issue with the message whether you realise it or not

 

[Sttew]

Finally, my personal view is that immediately following the Queen's death is not the time to be discussing any wider issues.

Agree. Appalling lack of judgment by the leader of a political party.

As an aside Albo was asked on radio yesterday whether we should be talking republic and he had the good sense to say No. There is a time and place, and so soon after the Queen had died is not the time

 

[Gralin]

Agree. Appalling lack of judgment by the leader of a political party.

As an aside Albo was asked on radio yesterday whether we should be talking republic and he had the good sense to say No. There is a time and place, and so soon after the Queen had died is not the time

Albo is part of thebbe polite crowd.
It's great for those in power

 

[Sttew]

Albo is part of thebbe polite crowd.
It's great for those in power

What Bandt said is akin to siblings fighting over a will within hours of a parent dying. Do you think what he said was appropriate?

 

[Rob R]

Correct. Not to mention colonialism was still happening during her reign. Her coronation predates the independence of every African country, and the Chagos Islands were stolen and its people permanently deported as late as 1969.

Not quite true. The Chagos people who were deported were never the owners of those islands, they were French and then British. The Chagossians were either slaves taken to the island by the French ( a crime the French owe them compensation for) freed by the British after they took ownership from France or people who arrived later. I don't agree that they should have been deported but it is wrong to say the islands were stolen when the current owners are the correct ones.

The Queen oversaw and in fact encouraged decolonisation (not always done well) on a scale never seen before.

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[SBD Gonzalez]

I mean that is what sherb wrote, that it's just a timing issue.

My view is if you have a problem with the timing you actually do have an issue with the message whether you realise it or not

Well he says he doesn’t and even though I don’t agree with his objection to the timing, that is his position.

I didn’t take any homeless people in off the street tonight and give them the use my house for as long as they need it. Guess that means any comment I make on the homelessness crisis is a bit suss.