Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Doggy]

God Finn Callaghan would be so perfect for us. If there's any chance he would come to us we need to move heaven and earth.

Dogs have always held interest in him.

Whether they make a play this year or next, who knows

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Dogs have always held interest in him.

Whether they make a play this year or next, who knows

Is his contract up next year? Can't see it happening this year but Dunkley out, Callaghan in would rebalance us well

 

[LondonBulldog]

If Lobb wants to come to the Dogs you take it.

My issue is that you can only play another tall with him if we want to compete with the way the best teams are playing today. Its a running game, you can't afford 3 big guys up forward who can be ran off. This this causes a break in the chain down field and results in goals. Just look closely how Richmond won premierships and how Collingwood are playing.

Be interesting how Bevo plays it.

 

[Dogsman16]

I want Finn Callaghan more than just about anyone in the comp to form that next gen part of our midfield.

 

[Foxman98]

If Lobb wants to come to the Dogs you take it.

My issue is that you can only play another tall with him if we want to compete with the way the best teams are playing today. Its a running game, you can't afford 3 big guys up forward who can be ran off. This this causes a break in the chain down field and results in goals. Just look closely how Richmond won premierships and how Collingwood are playing.

Be interesting how Bevo plays it.

Sydney play Franklin Reid McDonald
Geelong play Hawkins Cameron Rohan
Brisbane play Hipwood McStay Daniher

Why does it work for 3/4 Prelim finalists but wont for us?

 

[Dogsman16]

If Lobb wants to come to the Dogs you take it.

My issue is that you can only play another tall with him if we want to compete with the way the best teams are playing today. Its a running game, you can't afford 3 big guys up forward who can be ran off. This this causes a break in the chain down field and results in goals. Just look closely how Richmond won premierships and how Collingwood are playing.

Be interesting how Bevo plays it.

The best our forward line has functioned under beveridge was rd 1-6 (2021) with Naughton, Bruce and English as the tall forwards.

3 talls are fine but they need chemistry and continuity. We got none of that in 2022 apart from Naughton being the lone hand.

 

[Mofra]

If Lobb wants to come to the Dogs you take it.

My issue is that you can only play another tall with him if we want to compete with the way the best teams are playing today. Its a running game, you can't afford 3 big guys up forward who can be ran off. This this causes a break in the chain down field and results in goals. Just look closely how Richmond won premierships and how Collingwood are playing.

Be interesting how Bevo plays it.

Which three big forwards would they be?
Naughton and Marra are seriously quick. We'd only play one other tall up there at any one time, ideally Lobb otherwise a (cooked) Bruce or English resting there in short stints. We can easily manage that.

Richmond won two flags with three talls in the F50

 

[doggiesin08]

God Finn Callaghan would be so perfect for us. If there's any chance he would come to us we need to move heaven and earth.

There would be worse trade / draft periods than:

• Dunkley and pick # 29 for Lions pick #15 and 2023 R1 (I think this is in Lions favour but that’s what happens when a player nominates). I’d try and include our 2023 R2 (which they can move into 2022 points) for Lohmann but they’d say no.
• Pick #37 for Lobb (in our favour, see above)
• Ginbey at pick #12 and Hayes at pick #15 (or trade #15 for Logue)
• Have our own 2023 R1 and Brisbane’s 2023 R1 to target Callaghan in 12 months.

If Dunkley nominates Brisbane I could very easily see a 3-way trade with us, Freo and Brisbane given Freo could get a few 2nd/3rd rounders from their exodus that Brisbane might want and also Dev Robertson perhaps going back to WA if Dunkley is coming in.

 

[Chops]

Simple question. Is our club stupid enough to pay out Lobb's last year at 750K or use a first rounder on him? I can’t see Freo doing it for less.

In other words we'll pay 750 for one year for Lobb then 500? But 700 for Grundy is too much?

 

[Foxman98]

Simple question. Is our club stupid enough to pay out Lobb's last year at 750K or use a first rounder on him? I can’t see Freo doing it for less.

In other words we'll pay 750 for one year for Lobb then 500? But 700 for Grundy is too much?

No neither of those things are happening he is due 750k we are adding years and smoothing it out to be 500k a year and our first will be nowhere near the deal. Yes 700k for Grundy is too much as he can't play forward

 

[hutchy31]

The obvious standout of the top 6 teams is the quality of their tall defenders compared to the bulldogs. It has been apparent all season and is even more obvious on the big stage. Their tall defenders not only defend but also create attack from defence where our defenders are flat just trying to defend and provide nil in offensive plays.

Wish I could've liked this more than once.

It might not be possible because teams won't want to give up their quality KPDs for exactly the same reason, but we should be throwing as much as we can at this. Getting a top level, established KPD and drafting another to develop behind them would be priority one for me.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

I'd also be really keen on Miles Bergman, if we could involve him in the Dunkley trade somehow. Callaghan and Bergman on the wings would be perfect. Ah, if only.

 

[Foxman98]

Wish I could've liked this more than once.

It might not be possible because teams won't want to give up their quality KPDs for exactly the same reason, but we should be throwing as much as we can at this. Getting a top level, established KPD and drafting another to develop behind them would be priority one for me.

We don't need to trade for them we need to actually start drafting them. Andrews was pick 61, De Koning Pick 19 and McCartin was pick 33. We will have picks around the mark in the late 1st early to mid 2nd but actually have to draft them to get them

 

[Dog 36]

Sydney play Franklin Reid McDonald
Geelong play Hawkins Cameron Rohan
Brisbane play Hipwood McStay Daniher

Why does it work for 3/4 Prelim finalists but wont for us?

Because we lack system, cohesion, a plan and all those you name above are natural forwards.

Our only natural forward that I can see is JUH. Naughton is not a natural forward he still has work to do and probably has little help from coaches in terms of guidance and developing a system.

JUH knows when to lead and where BUT our team has never seen a natural forward so they don't know what it looks like to use it.

 

[Foxman98]

Because we lack system, cohesion, a plan and all those you name above are natural forwards.

Our only natural forward that I can see is JUH. Naughton is not a natural forward he still has work to do and probably has little help from coaches in terms of guidance and developing a system.

JUH knows when to lead and where BUT our team has never seen a natural forward so they don't know what it looks like to use it.

Naughton just kicked 51 goals Lobb 36 not bad for not natural forwards

 

[Dog 36]

Naughton just kicked 51 goals Lobb 36 not bad for not natural forwards

It is not just about how much Naughton kicks alone it is how much a natural forward allows the other forwards to kick

And it is not to say that Naughtons fault alone this has many legs BUT I do not think he is a natural forward.

Would rather he Kick 30 goals but his running patterns and he been in the forward line allows JUH to kick 30, BRUCE/English kick 20, Weightman/west kick 30 that's what make your forward line great not one kick 50 goals and then next best is 25 goals followed by a midfielder kicking 20 goals etc

Natural forwards within a system allows for a better forward line.

 

[ossie_21]

I will post this occasionally until he nominates Norf ($) or we declare we aren’t chasing another ruckman (as Bevo hates them).

 

[VitalDread]

Matt Conroy got delisted from Suns
Would be a good ruck depth, super athletic player with solid tap work

 

[Libbaaaa]

If Lobb wants to come to the Dogs you take it.

My issue is that you can only play another tall with him if we want to compete with the way the best teams are playing today. Its a running game, you can't afford 3 big guys up forward who can be ran off. This this causes a break in the chain down field and results in goals. Just look closely how Richmond won premierships and how Collingwood are playing.

Be interesting how Bevo plays it.

We just need to strap a ball & chain to Cody during pre-season so he stays at the feet of the forwards.

 

[Hoges64]

I can't see it either, and the reason why is I reckon it's because he'd look EXTREMELY strange in our kit. You know those blokes that you just can't possibly imagine them in any other colours except their current ones? He's the epitome of that. Can anyone imagine Grundy in Docker Purple, Sydney Red & White, or Tiges Black and Gold? Strange....

I will post this occasionally until he nominates Norf ($) or we declare we aren’t chasing another ruckman (as Bevo hates them).

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SEE!?!?!

I told you he'd look ****ing weird.

 

[geoffjennings79]

Let’s be honest, that piece has just been written by joe blow supporters like us.

There’s definitely some valid points, but it’s pretty much a cut and paste job from Big Footy talking points. I’d take more from something coming from those in current football programs as opposed to those who sit at home watching our games. Particularly when one of the group members is an 80 year old ex club coach.

You do realise the 'Macca' in that article is Don McKenzie, who coached the club as well as being effectively a senior assistant for Hart and Hampshire? He still follows the club closely, and if you ever get the chance to chat to him at a game, is very astute on current tactics.

Edit: didn't read your last line! Regardless, if you get the chance, have a chat to him. Has some forthright opinions on players and coaches too! (And not in a Neil Harvey/Bill O'Reilly "players were better in my day" manner, just genuine observations.)

 

[Mofra]

Matt Conroy got delisted from Suns
Would be a good ruck depth, super athletic player with solid tap work

I want us to rookie a ruck - we're very thin in that area

 

[Chops]

No neither of those things are happening he is due 750k we are adding years and smoothing it out to be 500k a year and our first will be nowhere near the deal. Yes 700k for Grundy is too much as he can't play forward

Why not? He is under contract. Freo need contract space and high picks. They have already indicated they don’t want to give him away.

Grundy ain’t a forward but we don’t need another forward.


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[Foxman98]

Why not? He is under contract. Freo need contract space and high picks. They have already indicated they don’t want to give him away.

Grundy ain’t a forward but we don’t need another forward.


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Because we aren't going to overpay if they want that we will move on.

We need a forward who can Ruck as much as you and other will hate to admit it Tim took a large leap forward this year and pre his concussion he was flying

 

[geoffjennings79]

Why not? He is under contract. Freo need contract space and high picks. They have already indicated they don’t want to give him away.

Grundy ain’t a forward but we don’t need another forward.


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We take on his 750 for 2023 but extend it to a 3 year contract averaging 500pa. So he might still get 750 next year, but then only 375pa in year 2 and 3. Or he's happy to adjust the contract to just be 500 each year. Still gets 750 in 2023 off Freo's books.