Opinion Why are the interstate teams so bad? How do we fix them?

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Jan 5, 2013
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Instead of Academies, I think Father/Son criteria for WAFL/SANFL players should be lowered to match the VFL games played criteria. That would be a significant difference for both WA and SA clubs I think..
I don’t think it would matter now, we are now getting father sons from our AFL club so doubt any players that played for port in SANFL would have any sons young enough to get drafted.

Would had been helpful 10-15 years ago
 
Sep 11, 2008
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1. Father son. Roughly 3 to 1 in Vic clubs favour plus Sydney and Brisbane.



2. Nga. Given to Vic clubs before wa and SA. SA and Wa can get indigenous players after pick 40 in most areas of state.


3. Free agency plus more player movement.

This is massive. Once you are a top 6 Vic club, you have a smorgasbord of players to pick from.



4. Friday night games dominated by Vic clubs, and the more big games you get the more sponsorship players get.
Even national broadcast games between Vic and non Vic games

5. Games broadcast in Victoria should be national broadcast by default


6. No second tier comp for SA and WA sides. If they create one they must create it for everyone. Not sure it makes a big difference, but it should be fine evenly.
 
Sep 11, 2008
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I don’t really care if it’s not my club where the premiership cup goes. Not sure why interstaters feel they need to speak for other interstate clubs though. Each club has its own set of reasons why they haven5 been more successful. That said the Eagles and lions have an excellent record and right up on the table on a pro rata. Basis for years in the competition.

Richmond western bulldogs and Melbourne all broke droughts recently extending back to the pre afl era.
Collingwood haven’t won for 12 years, and Geelong for 11 until yesterday.
Essendon north and Carlton are in 20+ year droughts and no closer to ending them.
StKildas drought is nearing 60 years.
That really only leaves hawthorn and they’ve been crap recently.

This is the afl evenness explained, and you wonder why we group together to try to change it.

You just say run faster.

If you don't want to watch. The vic clubs start a 100 sprint at the 30m mark.

 

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May 25, 2006
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This is the afl evenness explained, and you wonder why we group together to try to change it.

You just say run faster.

If you don't want to watch. The vic clubs start a 100 sprint at the 30m mark.


It’s not about interstate clubs or about Victorian clubs. It’s about individual clubs who can’t get their s**t together and want to blame others for their incompetence.

The eagles can do it, why can’t the dockers?
 
Sep 11, 2008
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It’s not about interstate clubs or about Victorian clubs. It’s about individual clubs who can’t get their s**t together and want to blame others for their incompetence.

The eagles can do it, why can’t the dockers?

You can't see the advantages Vic clubs get. Just because one clubs gets over the advantages does not mean they don't exist
 

Big Crow

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Serious question, would it help SA sides to have academies, so more incentive to develop talent?
We do, and now we have an academy player looking like a top 10/20 draft pick… but the league changed the rules and now we won’t get him!

This after years of other clubs benefitting from academies.
 

FourthTimeAround

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Interstate teams coast through the season on home ground advantage only to get found out when it matters.

Nothing to do with where the grand final is played, which I’m sure is what this thread will turn into. It’s an easy excuse.
Apart from the fact you are completely wrong, you are 100% correct.

The AFL structure is inherently setup to have Victorian teams gravitate to either end of the ladder, and non-Victorian teams gravitate to the center.

Its just how it is. Cant change it, can’t fix it, cant compensate for it.

The statistics back this up. The theory supports it.

The non Vic teams simply have to be better. No excuses.
 
Jan 5, 2013
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We do, and when we finally got an academy player looking like a top 10/20 draft pick, the league changed the rules and now we won’t get him!

This after years of other clubs benefitting from academies.
Once interstate clubs started benefiting off it they changed the rules to help the Melbourne team. Port were lucky we got. lachie Jones as a first rounder before they changed the rules
 

FourthTimeAround

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Because an interstate teams ladder position is artificially inflated by having 10 true home games during the season. You only need to beat 2-3 Victorian s**t kickers in Melbourne and that’s finals almost guaranteed.

15 years is an awfully convenient period mind you.
And the best Victorian teams will start favourite in 16 games min in Victoria, plus 2-3 interstate against the poorer nonVic teams at the time.

It’s a major contributor why you get
21-1 Geelong 2008
21-1 Essendon 2000
20-2 Collingwood 2010
20-2 St Kilda 2009
20-2 Carlton 1995
19-3 Hawthorn 2013

… and you’ll never get a non Vic club achieving this level of performance.

also why Vic clubs get such s**t seasons as well.
 

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Sep 15, 2009
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Need a national media support base to support the argument.

Never gonna happen.
It won't happen because all you lot do is whinge on BF, go to your clubs and get them to make it happen.

It's always whinge, whinge, whinge, the big bad Vics don't like us, well the big bad Vics seem to do everything, the non-Vics just follow and cry.

Try doing something for yourselves.
 
Sep 11, 2008
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Non Vic teams should be screaming for this.

Not winning a flag 6 years in a row, not having a team in the GF for the last 3 of those and having hardly any in the prelims those years for a state that made up more than 60% of the teams at the time is a huge statistical outlier.

Not winning a flag for 4 years but having teams in the GF half of those years for states that make up 44% of the teams is not really much of an outlier at all.
 
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Not winning a flag 6 years in a row, not having a team in the GF for the last 3 of those and having hardly any in the prelims those years for a state that made up more than 60% of the teams at the time is a huge statistical outlier.

Not winning a flag for 4 years but having teams in the GF half of those years for states that make up 44% of the teams is not really much of an outlier at all.


2 premierships in 17 years isn't a massive statistical out lier.

I don't see how can argue against it.
 
Jul 25, 2019
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Once interstate clubs started benefiting off it they changed the rules to help the Melbourne team. Port were lucky we got. lachie Jones as a first rounder before they changed the rules

To be fair. Melbourne missed out on Mac Andrew too after he was part of their academy/zone and the AFL changed the rules
 
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But there have been plenty up near the top of the ladder playing in prelims and the GF.
The Vic investigation was about the dearth of teams in the top 4 those years.



If the situation was the other way around, the rules would have changed to favours the Vic's more.

The vfl took away Brisbane salary cap bonus and the swans cola once they had audacity to win a flag or 3.

You don't support clubs to watch them almost win flags, then have 10 Vic clubs poach your players while your rival gets access to free agents.
 

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