Coach Who should be our next coach?

[Lore]

Spoiler: Timeline and reported candidates

15/8 Board toppled (reportedly will pursue Clarkson)
19/8 Alastair Clarkson to join North
21/8 Ben Rutten

Ben Rutten

Age

42

Ht

190cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.4

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

7.0

4star

M

5.3

5star

T

1.3

3star

No current season stats available

D

10.6

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

4.4

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.0

3star

sacked
22/8 Coach selection sub-committee to be established to find a replacement
26/8 Committee members announced: Josh Mahoney

Josh Mahoney

Age

48

Ht

180cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.5

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.9

4star

No current season stats available

D

9.2

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.4

3star

(GM-Footy, chair), Dorothy Hisgrove (Board member), Andrew Thorburn, Simone McKinnis, Robert Walls, Jordan Lewis

Jordan Lewis

Age

39

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.5

5star

K

12.1

4star

HB

11.5

5star

M

5.5

5star

T

2.7

4star

MG

310.5

4star

No current season stats available

D

15.0

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.8

5star

7/9 James Hird, Dean Solomon

Dean Solomon

Age

45

Ht

189cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.8

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

5.5

4star

M

3.9

4star

T

3.7

5star

No current season stats available

D

17.6

5star

K

13.4

5star

HB

4.2

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

2.8

5star

, Brendon Lade

Brendon Lade

Age

49

Ht

199cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

4.0

3star

HO

15.1

5star

No current season stats available

D

11.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.4

4star

HO

9.6

5star

, Adem Yze

Adem Yze

Age

48

Ht

187cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.2

5star

K

14.4

5star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

5.2

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

1.8

2star

M

0.6

1star

T

0.6

3star

interviewed at EY
13/9 Daniel Giansiracusa

Daniel Giansiracusa

Age

43

Ht

182cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.6

4star

K

11.0

4star

HB

6.6

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.2

4star

No current season stats available

D

10.2

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

5.2

5star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.0

4star

reportedly interviewed
17/9 Don Pyke “not pursuing that at this stage”
21/9 Brad Scott contacted by the club but won’t make a decision on whether to pursue the role until after the Grand Final
21/9 Adem Yze

Adem Yze

Age

48

Ht

187cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.2

5star

K

14.4

5star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

5.2

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

1.8

2star

M

0.6

1star

T

0.6

3star

has second interview and tours the training facilities at Tullamarine
22/9 Blake Caracella

Blake Caracella

Age

48

Ht

186cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.5

4star

K

10.1

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

1.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.2

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

0.6

3star

will put his hat in the ring
27/9 Brendon Lade

Brendon Lade

Age

49

Ht

199cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

4.0

3star

HO

15.1

5star

No current season stats available

D

11.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.4

4star

HO

9.6

5star

appointed as assistant coach at the Western Bulldogs, out of the running for Essendon job
28/9 Brad Scott to be interviewed on Thursday
29/9

 

[Cup_o_Jobe]

If Yze doesn't win the Bombers job (and I still think he'd be right in the mix of being the recommendation that goes up to the Board, given the breadth of exposure the panel will have had to him through the process), he can take some solace in being front of the queue for the NM and Brisvegas gigs when they inevitably open up in the new year.

 

[Inspecta Gadget]

Does anyone know who Scott might have in line as an assistant if he was to bring one (or more) along?

I hear he's a big fan of Damian Barrett

 

[DonsRule]

The whole Choco Williams thing…..it can’t be a factor.

Yze has to stand on his own two feet as the best candidate to get the job. Choco could have a coronary at any time ffs….then your left with the bloke who wasn’t first choice as your head coach.

Long term no but I feel its might e important to help him establish himself esp with the shitshow EFC are someone who may demand some authority from an early stage (and tbh why my pref is Yze with Williams Scott has some appeal) If we'd been constantly playing finals in recent times I don't think it would be a factor, just we aren't the most stable of clubs atm and need a big culture shift and think he would be of help at least in the first few years.

 

[jmoo wan]

I think he should start by subdividing the Tullamarine training centre.

i hope we get a train station!

 

[Vander18]

Long term no but I feel its might e important to help him establish himself esp with the shitshow EFC are someone who may demand some authority from an early stage (and tbh why my pref is Yze with Williams Scott has some appeal) If we'd been constantly playing finals in recent times I don't think it would be a factor, just we aren't the most stable of clubs atm and need a big culture shift and think he would be of help at least in the first few years.

Take your point, but have a different view.

No issue with Choco, just don’t think the appointment can be a package deal. Yze is the best candidate or he’s not.

 

[DonsRule]

Take your point, but have a different view.

No issue with Choco, just don’t think the appointment can be a package deal. Yze is the best candidate or he’s not.

I think of it like Goodwin with Roos. Roos had no real interest in coaching anymore. Goodwin has some experience but the mentoring for a few years was probably very helpful, outside coaching Hodge to Brisbane helped their playing group. We have a fairly soft playing group, a fractured board still. we have Dodo thats been there 20 years and not been able to establish a list capable of winning a final (probably have under achieved) but results speak, we have coteries pushing for Hird.

I do understand your point, just think we're that much a mess atm, you look at those things.

My feeling is Scott will get the job as he has the strength to stand up to much of that

 

[Kong]

Bah Gawd that's Brad Scott's music!

If Hird is the Stone Cold, surely Brad Scott is the Ken Shamrock.

I hate myself for understanding wrestling references.

 

[ant555]

I hope so. Still got a bit to offer IMO and he would’ve both played with Scott at Brisbane and coached alongside him at Collingwood back in the late 2000’s. Could form a great partnership.

Even though he was in charge of our attack / midfield who under performed more than any part of the ground when it cam to playing team footy ?
From all reports the players where just as confused with how he wanted the game played as they where with Trucks initial defensive plan and it was his plan to run.

 

[ant555]

Take your point, but have a different view.

No issue with Choco, just don’t think the appointment can be a package deal. Yze is the best candidate or he’s not.

I am the other way. A fresh young coach with a senior assistant that is one of the best motivators in the game is a good package. You are still looking for the best coach but you have an extra part to it. Yze would still have to prove he has the footy / game plan side of things . It is really not a lot of difference to Clarkson taking the North jon and having his band of assistants lined up. Williams is part of the package but they are still looking at Yze and his knowledge of the game and ability to lead the team.

The thing that let Knights down the most was we had 1 senior assistant and he was not a great assistant and more a football admin guy. The rest where rookie coaches and in the end Knights tried to micro manage everything and it went to shit.

There was a rumor going around that Hird and Solomon where going to do the second interview as a package. Not sure if that happened or not.

 

[Kong]

Sounds good, he can then hire himself as coach too.

 

[Howard Moon]

I think he should start by subdividing the Tullamarine training centre.

I imagine they are all clambering for the time they can actually get all of Essendon airport and turn that prime land into a yarra bend style abomination like they did at the old paper mill in Alphington

 

[Vander18]

I am the other way. A fresh young coach with a senior assistant that is one of the best motivators in the game is a good package. You are still looking for the best coach but you have an extra part to it. Yze would still have to prove he has the footy / game plan side of things . It is really not a lot of difference to Clarkson taking the North jon and having his band of assistants lined up. Williams is part of the package but they are still looking at Yze and his knowledge of the game and ability to lead the team.

The thing that let Knights down the most was we had 1 senior assistant and he was not a great assistant and more a football admin guy. The rest where rookie coaches and in the end Knights tried to micro manage everything and it went to s**t.

There was a rumor going around that Hird and Solomon where going to do the second interview as a package. Not sure if that happened or not.

Do we actually disagree?

All I’m saying is that in the interview process it’s Yze v Scott, not Yze/Choco v Scott. Beyond that, no issue with bringing in anything me who can help.

 

[EnolaGay]

I for one welcome our new Overlord Brod Scatt

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[Howard Moon]

let me ask this - i know perspective is everything but say its 3 months ago and we hadn't sacked our coach yet. Where would Brad Scott be on your list of guys you'd think could be a great coach option for us...a little bit of bile would probably come up

now because its last man standing hes somehow the gold standard

 

[P Money]

we have super-business man Andrew Welsh on the board now so he’ll take care of the financials.

Making squillions in the property market over the past 10-20 years does not make someone a good businessman - it makes them someone with wealth who decided to put it into property. Ffs nonnas who bought a family home for peanuts 60 years ago made millions in the property market by growing tomatoes in the backyard and watching Tony Burgess from their Franco Cozzo leather couch.


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[Howard Moon]

Making squillions in the property market over the past 10-20 years does not make someone a good businessman - it makes them someone with wealth who decided to put it into property. Ffs nonnas who bought a family home for peanuts 60 years ago made millions in the property market by growing tomatoes in the backyard and watching Tony Burgess from their Franco Cozzo leather couch.


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did they know their Franco Cozzo couch was stuffed with high grade heroin at the time?

 

[dank420_]

let me ask this - i know perspective is everything but say its 3 months ago and we hadn't sacked our coach yet. Where would Brad Scott be on your list of guys you'd think could be a great coach option for us...a little bit of bile would probably come up

now because its last man standing hes somehow the gold standard

He was the first name I put forward when we sacked Rutten.

 

[Howard Moon]

He was the first name I put forward when we sacked Rutten.

ahead of Clarkson and Lyon even?

 

[ghostdog]

When it was first a possibility Lyon basically said come and get me.

He then had some conversations which indicated that he would be part of an application process which is beneath him. That then got publicly revised after 2 or 3 days that it would not require participation until later in the process. He also then said something about the vibe, with it not being clear what that was directed to when he publicly withdrew.

When I say "ought that persistence have been directed" it is past tense. It is a reference to the point in time that all we had to do was give him the job, if all we are doing now is giving the job to a vastly inferior coach.

As for whether we are giving the job to Scott, are we still working to the Friday deadline? Has he still not decided? Is he going to nail an interview he hasn't yet committed to having so much that he'll be coach by then?

What does that say about Yze? Or does he just need Mark Williams to interview with him?

It's a valid point.
Yze has interviewed numerous times now and reportedly sat at one of the Vic Metro games with Dodoro. He'd have to be feeling fairly confident.
If Scott interviews today and is given the job tomorrow, that seems like a process bereft of due diligence. I'm hoping the panel has the integrity to say no to Scott if he hasn't demonstrated that he's the best candidate. Otherwise you're right, we may as well have pursued Lyon and be done with it.
Ultimately it doesn't matter. We'll be giving the benefit of the doubt to the panel and their professionalism.

Re: 'the vibe', Paddy Ryder also felt like that wasn't there. Maybe the club has just been a shitshow for that long. I think that's feasible.

 

[dank420_]

ahead of Clarkson and Lyon even?

Those two just seem like has beens. That’s obviously the case with Lyon. Can’t be arsed doing an interview. And Clarkson, I don’t think he will achieve much if he gets to keep his job. His last few years at the Hawks were pretty gross.

 

[Howard Moon]

It's a valid point.
Yze has interviewed numerous times now and reportedly sat at one of the Vic Metro games with Dodoro. He'd have to be feeling fairly confident.
If Scott interviews today and is given the job tomorrow, that seems like a process bereft of due diligence. I'm hoping the panel has the integrity to say no to Scott if he hasn't demonstrated that he's the best candidate. Otherwise you're right, we may as well have pursued Lyon and be done with it.
Ultimately it doesn't matter. We'll be giving the benefit of the doubt to the panel and their professionalism.

Re: 'the vibe', Paddy Ryder also felt like that wasn't there. Maybe the club has just been a shitshow for that long. I think that's feasible.

I feel like we are pretty conflicted to begin with - it may be the BF bubble, and it may have zero weight in the actual club but it feels like we dont just want this coach guy to come in and move some magnets and win some games. Its apparently some guy who comes in, changes culture, kicks some heads in, shakes players til they defend, shakes up the board, clunks the coteries heads together and who knows what else? drives the team bus probably... TBH it feels a little bit more than the task list of a mere afl football coach, no less a first time coach with no experience.

 

[Howard Moon]

Those two just seem like has beens. That’s obviously the case with Lyon. Can’t be arsed doing an interview. And Clarkson, I don’t think he will achieve much if he gets to keep his job. His last few years at the Hawks were pretty gross.

i probably see parallels with clarkos last years at hawks and scotts last years at norf - without the 4 flags to prop it up. They probably mirror sheedys finals years too. I guess its a game you can get stale pretty quick if you hang on too long.

 

[dank420_]

i probably see parallels with clarkos last years at hawks and scotts last years at norf - without the 4 flags to prop it up. They probably mirror sheedys finals years too. I guess its a game you can get stale pretty quick if you hang on too long.

Yeah so that’s the difference for me. Clarko has done it all. It’ll be interesting to see if he can adapt to what the game has become. I’ve always thought Brad was a better chance at that. And I wonder how often he gets together with Chris to talk footy.

But also, I threw his name up after Barham trotted out his “experienced coach” criteria. I simply thought he was the best available of the experienced coaches. I don’t really know if I subscribe to that and I would also be happy if Yze gets the job.

I still shake my head at the timing of the Rutten sacking. Yeah, he probably wasn’t the guy to take us forward, but I think giving him the last year of his contract and then sounding out coaches with more time would have put a better spread of candidates in front of us.

 

[jmoo wan]

Making squillions in the property market over the past 10-20 years does not make someone a good businessman - it makes them someone with wealth who decided to put it into property. Ffs nonnas who bought a family home for peanuts 60 years ago made millions in the property market by growing tomatoes in the backyard and watching Tony Burgess from their Franco Cozzo leather couch.


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yes - that’s correct.

 

[ghostdog]

Yeah so that’s the difference for me. Clarko has done it all. It’ll be interesting to see if he can adapt to what the game has become. I’ve always thought Brad was a better chance at that. And I wonder how often he gets together with Chris to talk footy.

But also, I threw his name up after Barham trotted out his “experienced coach” criteria. I simply thought he was the best available of the experienced coaches. I don’t really know if I subscribe to that and I would also be happy if Yze gets the job.

I still shake my head at the timing of the Rutten sacking. Yeah, he probably wasn’t the guy to take us forward, but I think giving him the last year of his contract and then sounding out coaches with more time would have put a better spread of candidates in front of us.

I 100% agree with the last paragraph. I'd attribute the reluctance of prospective coaches and players to come to our glorious organisation to Barham and friends' poor timing as well. The negative impacts could be far reaching. We'll see.