Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Dog 36]

Looks a Harris Andrews clone in those highlights. Where did it all go wrong?

Only 21, is he worth a stab at the right price?

Worth a punt and type of player we should take a punt on and not Scott McComb types

Yes a risk but worth it

 

[doggies ftw]

Looks a Harris Andrews clone in those highlights. Where did it all go wrong?

Only 21, is he worth a stab at the right price?

Yeah absolutely - he looks great, but by the sounds of things his last two years in the 2s have been beyond poor.

I really do think big-bodied number 1 defender is one of the hardest roles to find your feet in as a kid though when you’re not blessed with athleticism. Unlike Collins he looks to have a few more strings to his bow than just literally being bigger than everyone else with his marking & genuine height, so could be a low risk, high upside option & is the type we’re still looking for long term even if we did manage to bring in some interceptors like Hayes/Buss or 3rd tall types like Weddle.

You look at a big guy who Ben McKay who had a similar first 3 years before really breaking out, how does he compare athletically? Bens probably a better athlete but I wouldn’t say he’s necessarily blessed with speed & agility, just seems to be a big body who puts himself in the right spots and clunks everything thrown his way

I’m here for it, so long as the price is right

 

[LittleG]

Yeah absolutely - he looks great, but by the sounds of things his last two years in the 2s have been beyond poor.

I really do think big-bodied number 1 defender is one of the hardest roles to find your feet in as a kid though when you’re not blessed with athleticism. Unlike Collins he looks to have a few more strings to his bow than just literally being bigger than everyone else with his marking & genuine height, so could be a low risk, high upside option & is the type we’re still looking for long term even if we did manage to bring in some interceptors like Hayes/Buss or 3rd tall types like Weddle.

You look at a big guy who Ben McKay who had a similar first 3 years before really breaking out, how does he compare athletically? Bens probably a better athlete but I wouldn’t say he’s necessarily blessed with speed & agility, just seems to be a big body who puts himself in the right spots and clunks everything thrown his way

I’m here for it, so long as the price is right

I object to Weddle being a third tall. He is closer to a prototype KPD than either Busslinger or Hayes. Maybe the other two become better KPD than Weddle but I have my doubts.

 

[doggies ftw]

I object to Weddle being a third tall. He is closer to a prototype KPD than either Busslinger or Hayes. Maybe the other two become better KPD than Weddle but I have my doubts.

Yeah fair 3rd tall wasn’t the right word, again I don’t know a lot about these draftees but by very limited knowledge whilst Weddle could definitely play as a genuine defender if needed I think you’d get the best out of him by surrounding him with two genuine defenders - in a perfect world a big bodied FB type and a genuine interceptor. And let Weddle play to his strengths, ie lock down on a more athletic forward, run off & help assist the other two defenders and get involved in linking up out of defence.

A bit like Logues best role maybe?

 

[Lex22]

Worth a punt and type of player we should take a punt on and not Scott McComb types

Yes a risk but worth it

Oh for sure.

Can cop a McAsey not working out, as there’s a lot of upside there. Kid could just be homesick/hate being at Adelaide. You don’t lose talent overnight.

Players like McComb don’t get any better.

 

[immortalmike]

So anyone who doesn’t have a mental illness is fair game?

Not at all.
Just asking for some extra sensitivity for someone with a recognised illness.

 

[Lex22]

Yeah absolutely - he looks great, but by the sounds of things his last two years in the 2s have been beyond poor.

I really do think big-bodied number 1 defender is one of the hardest roles to find your feet in as a kid though when you’re not blessed with athleticism. Unlike Collins he looks to have a few more strings to his bow than just literally being bigger than everyone else with his marking & genuine height, so could be a low risk, high upside option & is the type we’re still looking for long term even if we did manage to bring in some interceptors like Hayes/Buss or 3rd tall types like Weddle.

You look at a big guy who Ben McKay who had a similar first 3 years before really breaking out, how does he compare athletically? Bens probably a better athlete but I wouldn’t say he’s necessarily blessed with speed & agility, just seems to be a big body who puts himself in the right spots and clunks everything thrown his way

I’m here for it, so long as the price is right

Has to be more to it, McAsey could simply just be miserable over there.

You don’t go from reading it like that and clean clunking them to outright terrible, developing or not.

Yep, we should he having a look for sure.

 

[immortalmike]

Everyone in here loves Treloar mate.
We are all supporters of the club, if something annoys someone about a player, why can’t they post their thoughts on here? Doesn’t mean they want bad things to happen to Adsy. It’s a footy forum, it’s a discussion.
If someone is saying to f** him off then yeah, I’d have a problem with that.

There was such a post from a troll who said exactly that.
Interestingly the same guy that was relentless against Tom Boyd too. Funny that...

 

[dergert]

Has to be more to it, McAsey could simply just be miserable over there.

You don’t go from reading it like that and clean clunking them to outright terrible, developing or not.

Yep, we should he having a look for sure.

He'd do well under Beveridge's coaching imo. Beveridge backs in his "people". Fischer might need that.

 

[Bulldogs85]

Has to be more to it, McAsey could simply just be miserable over there.

You don’t go from reading it like that and clean clunking them to outright terrible, developing or not.

Yep, we should he having a look for sure.

He had personal problems something about his father nearly passed away last year

 

[adogsfan5]

There was such a post from a troll who said exactly that.
Interestingly the same guy that was relentless against Tom Boyd too. Funny that...

Trolls are gonna troll. Doubt they’re even a member.

 

[immortalmike]

I dunno, surely buy-in and motivation are pretty important components of overall performance. If not, Jake Stringer would be a 3 x brownlow medallist.

Treloar is a fantastic player when he’s invested in games and and gets himself amped - but it doesn’t happen often enough and he often looks disinterested - are we not allowed to talk about that?

No we shouldn't in this instance. It is specifically a negative stereotype regarding his condition.

It's similar (but perhaps not quite as bad) to calling an indigenous player lazy.

 

[Lex22]

He'd do well under Beveridge's coaching imo. Beveridge backs in his "people". Fischer might need that.

100%, that’s Bevo’s biggest strength (arm around the shoulder, know the person, back them in etc). Outstanding man manager.

We might be the perfect fit.

 

[BevoRambo]

He'd do well under Beveridge's coaching imo. Beveridge backs in his "people". Fischer might need that.

The biggest issue I’ve seen with him is speed. Just frightfully slow and zero turning ability. Without that you just can’t impact at afl level.


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[TedDougChris]

The biggest issue I’ve seen with him is speed. Just frightfully slow and zero turning ability. Without that you just can’t impact at afl level.


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with our Defensive "structure", I dont think we can cope with players without some legspeed in key defensive positions...

 

[Dog 36]

If and only if and I hope not BUT B.Williams is free agent end of 2023 and if he maybe wanting to go back to SA
( hope not no indication he wants to) what would be a good deal for us with Crows to get McAsey this year.

Hypothetical it is

 

[Anja_Nees]

It’s one thing to say a player can’t kick, doesn’t look fit or shouldn’t go to their former club’s B&F. Bad behaviour off field if you’re sure about it is ok too. It’s the next step about guessing their state of mind and quality of character that I think is usually a bit much (and extremely silly).

I wouldn’t go out of my way to talk to a player, but the times I have met the players they’ve been positive experiences. Spend some time in their presence and you realise they’re just dudes - highly paid and high profile, but just people.

I saw Dunkley at the B&F and he was constantly being bombarded with supporters wanting photos and a chat etc. Handled it very well. No one really knows why he’s leaving, and he might not really know himself. Could be his dad, could be money, could be teammates, could be girlfriend, could be ego. Certainly no one here knows.

Same for Treloar etc.

 

[Northernsoul74]

Surely either us or Carlton you’d think, depends what Crows would want for him I guess but surely couldn’t do much worse than Cordy with much more upside.

Big bodied defenders can take years to come on whilst they adjust to the size differences at AFL, whilst it’s usually only the athletic beasts that excel early - but in saying that we know first hand with Collins just because you had a size advantage at junior level doesn’t mean you’ll eventually get it at AFL level.




He’s obviously got ability in there, but yeah he must have been bloody poor to not even get a look in over the past 2 years

McAsey was flattered somewhat in his draft year by playing against a pretty poor crop of key forwards and also benefitted in the championships from some generally woeful kicking inside 50.

 

[yebach]

100%, that’s Bevo’s biggest strength (arm around the shoulder, know the person, back them in etc). Outstanding man manager.

We might be the perfect fit.

Except for the fact that Bevo's system/game plan is horrible for KPD.

 

[cecil]

Gee some are underrating Treloar and are quick to want him out. Our second most damaging midfielder and will get a full time midfield role next year. Not super defensively, but with Libba, Bont and Macrae are great defensively we should be able to cover that if set up right.

A full year as a starting mid and he's top 3 in the best and fairest

 

[Lex22]

The biggest issue I’ve seen with him is speed. Just frightfully slow and zero turning ability. Without that you just can’t impact at afl level.


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Lever, Andrews & McGovern are all slow, not many of them types are necessarily quick.

Just need to get your defensive structure right.

Obviously, we need to fix our defence.

 

[LittleG]

Yeah fair 3rd tall wasn’t the right word, again I don’t know a lot about these draftees but by very limited knowledge whilst Weddle could definitely play as a genuine defender if needed I think you’d get the best out of him by surrounding him with two genuine defenders - in a perfect world a big bodied FB type and a genuine interceptor. And let Weddle play to his strengths, ie lock down on a more athletic forward, run off & help assist the other two defenders and get involved in linking up out of defence.

A bit like Logues best role maybe?

Logue is much faster than Weddle. Maybe the fastest tall in the AFL. I am not sure what position he plays, while Weddle is a defender.

Weddle is a KPD2. He would play CFB on the more mobile high marking tall. He can then use his rebounding skills. He could play KPD1 on the strongest high marking tall BUT that is years away and I would prefer to not develop him as such.

Busslinger is a third tall who could become a KPD2 like Weddle. IF he does, then his disposal with his long kicking is Darcy Moore like, without the breakaway speed that Moore has.

I would be happy IF we get one of these two. IF we can get both….

 

[Northernsoul74]

Logue is much faster than Weddle. Maybe the fastest tall in the AFL. I am not sure what position he plays, while Weddle is a defender.

Weddle is a KPD2. He would play CFB on the more mobile high marking tall. He can then use his rebounding skills. He could play KPD1 on the strongest high marking tall BUT that is years away and I would prefer to not develop him as such.

Busslinger is a third tall who could become a KPD2 like Weddle. IF he does, then his disposal with his long kicking is Darcy Moore like, without the breakaway speed that Moore has.

I would be happy IF we get one of these two. IF we can get both….

I thought Busslinger kicking was a real weak point?

 

[LittleG]

I thought Busslinger kicking was a real weak point?

Not that I have seen.

 

[doggies ftw]

Lever, Andrews & McGovern are all slow, not many of them types are necessarily quick.

Just need to get your defensive structure right.

Obviously, we need to fix our defence.

This x100. Pace isn’t the be all and end all for a defender, it’s so overplayed in here when talking about the likes of Darcy etc.

The forwards making the play with the timing of his leads, if he gets the jump on you and has easy ball coming in unpressured from the midfield it doesn’t matter who the * is on him he’s going to get burnt it’s really that simple. Of course closing speed to kill a high ball or a pressured entry or when caught out of position is a big bonus but * it’s not the be all and end all of a defender.

We have to shy away from this ridiculous system of playing aggressively high and expecting our defenders to have to get back and defend when they’re caught out of position and the balls pinging through the middle. Theres a reason our defenders face less one on ones than any other team and it’s not because our defensive system is working and they’re helping each other out, it’s because most of the time they’re so far out of position they can’t even get close enough to the forward for the contest to be registered a one on one.

It’s complete bullshit.

You can still have intercept specialist players playing aggressively to chop off entries and if that leaves the odd forward taking uncontested marks so be it but playing every single defender in your defence 15m in front of their closest forward? Whoever come up with this bullshit should be *ing shot tbh

With Jones next year who excels wrestling under a high ball just sit the last line of defence back a little. Invite the long ball in and let Jones handle his direct opponent whilst the likes of Darcy float in over the top to mark, or Gardner to kill the contest. Funnily enough all our good ball movement comes through quick chains off Half back, our half back flankers are great let them do their work and find options to slingshot forward - we don’t have to cut off the ball at wing/half back and lock it forward to be successful, actually it usually goes against the way we play our best footy.

People always ask why we’re always flooded in our forward line and no where down back? It’s because our whole system relies on repeat entries where we struggle to score from for the most part with the defence eventually finding an exit over your pathetic defensive line and walking into open forward lines.

Just for once I’d like to see us invite the ball into defence like teams do against us, and then get to work on rebounding from a congested defence (where Dale, Daniel & Richards do their best work) with direct ball movement into an open forward line where the likes of Naughty, Marra & Cody will burn their opponents

Coming out of defence should not be as scary as we seem to think it is with two of the best contested marks in the comp in Naughty & English hitting up down the line, although some nice attacking wingers would really help here.