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Our biggest recruits this year are hopefully the guys not injured. A healthy Daniels, Callaghan, Fahey, Angwin, Buckley and Stone would be so good to see. Would give us so much more run.
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it is scary good to think about isn't it!Our biggest recruits this year are hopefully the guys not injured. A healthy Daniels, Callaghan, Fahey, Angwin, Buckley and Stone would be so good to see. Would give us so much more run.
Heard this before and I hope it's true this year, Spike was picking from not even 30 players towards the end of the yearOur biggest recruits this year are hopefully the guys not injured. A healthy Daniels, Callaghan, Fahey, Angwin, Buckley and Stone would be so good to see. Would give us so much more run.
It is. And we had no small forwards virtually the whole year… ridiculous really considering the importance of the front Hal game and pressure. Relative to other teams… we had our hands tied behind our backs in this regard.Heard this before and I hope it's true this year, Spike was picking from not even 30 players towards the end of the year
Leek on the bench makes the defence line - and the whole team - quite (and overly IMHO) tall. Although HH could take relief ruck duties and roll forward at times.Cumming Taylor Buckely
Ash Himmelberg Haynes
Whitfield Green Callaghan
Greene Riccardi Stone
Daniels Hogan Bedford
Briggs Cogs Kelly
Perryman Idun Ward Peatling
Main midfield rotation is Green, Cogs and Kelly with Finn and Perryman in the secondary rotation as well as Toby but to a lesser extent
Last spot on the bench was sort of tough, tossing up between Fahey, Lloyd, Peatling and Leek. Team feels a lot more balanced being able to pick more specialist forwards instead of cramming it with mids. Worry a bit about Ward's role if he's not in the mid rotation and how effective he can be elsewhere.
Who are the small foward on your list that have speed and are defensive mindedIt is. And we had no small forwards virtually the whole year… ridiculous really considering the importance of the front Hal game and pressure. Relative to other teams… we had our hands tied behind our backs in this regard.
That is where we hope Daniels can stay on the park and Bedford can be his partner in crime plus also Peatling and my man Cooper HamiltonWho are the small foward on your list that have speed and are defensive minded
Some players are small fowards and speed but are not defensive mids as thats where the improvment will come imo
It’s funny, we were able to get Caldwell right but Deledio, Daniels and Stone have been a disaster. Could also argue the management of Callaghan’s foot not great so far.That is where we hope Daniels can stay on the park and Bedford can be his partner in crime
Fitness and Conditioning staff at our club over the last 6 years can be summed up in 1 word... DIABOLICALIt’s funny, we were able to get Caldwell right but Deledio, Daniels and Stone have been a disaster. Could also argue the management of Callaghan’s foot not great so far.
Yeah still a few question marks around the structure of the backline, there's a few different configurations they can run with to figure things out. Think it's a decent problem to have because it's not an issue of not having enough talent it's just trying to squeeze everyone in, might take some time to figure out the right mix long term but gives us plenty of options to go with depending on match ups. If Buckley is healthy and looks like 2021 I don't see why he won't be playing every week next to Taylor.Leek on the bench makes the defence line - and the whole team - quite (and overly IMHO) tall. Although HH could take relief ruck duties and roll forward at times.
I am struggling over how the backline will work next year. In HH there or not? Given his ability to take intercept marks and launch counterattacks, then you'd have to lean towards yes. In which case, do you need Haynes? Or, if HH can take that second KPD role and still take marks, is it Buckley (who looked so good in 2021 before his injury) who doesn't get in? Leon liked 4 talls (and at times 5 talls if you count Idun as a tall at 191 cms), but will Adam Kingsley prefer a smaller and more running defence?
I agree with the query on Ward, but we did play him a bit in the backline when not in the midfield rotation. But with Taranto and Hopper gone, he might have a longer stint plugging the spare minutes in the on-ball rotation.
I too would put Peatling above Lloyd to start with - Kingsley will want pressure up front, and you'd think Peatling provides that more than Lloyd.
A lot more to play out during the trade period and draft, but an interesting early discussion.
Personally think HH is back into the forward line under Kingsley, he and Riccardi as lead up forwards are going to benefit from a quick ball movement game plan where they're not being forced into grappling contest everytime we look like we're heading inside 50. Fahey strikes me as a player that's going to get opportunities early under Kingsley as well, nothing better for a pressure game style than someone that can launch is 60 meters and break a defensive pressFeel like doing a R1 team that's defintely wrong so here we go
Cumming Taylor Buckely
Ash Himmelberg Haynes
Whitfield Green Callaghan
Greene Riccardi Stone
Daniels Hogan Bedford
Briggs Cogs Kelly
Perryman Idun Ward Peatling
Main midfield rotation is Green, Cogs and Kelly with Finn and Perryman in the secondary rotation as well as Toby but to a lesser extent
Last spot on the bench was sort of tough, tossing up between Fahey, Lloyd, Peatling and Leek. Team feels a lot more balanced being able to pick more specialist forwards instead of cramming it with mids. Worry a bit about Ward's role if he's not in the mid rotation and how effective he can be elsewhere.
Had Fahey in initally but then went another direction but would have no issues at all with Fahey playing early and often if he is what we think he is, as for HH I think he's shown at least to me that down back is his best spot and I wouldn't be moving him from there, was one of the best in the comp when he went down there with his rebounding/intercepting comboPersonally think HH is back into the forward line under Kingsley, he and Riccardi as lead up forwards are going to benefit from a quick ball movement game plan where they're not being forced into grappling contest everytime we look like we're heading inside 50. Fahey strikes me as a player that's going to get opportunities early under Kingsley as well, nothing better for a pressure game style than someone that can launch is 60 meters and break a defensive press
The difference between this view & PMBangers' view is exactly where I'm split.Had Fahey in initally but then went another direction but would have no issues at all with Fahey playing early and often if he is what we think he is, as for HH I think he's shown at least to me that down back is his best spot and I wouldn't be moving him from there, was one of the best in the comp when he went down there with his rebounding/intercepting combo
I'd have HH as the third tall where he float off and intercept with more freedom which puts Haynes in a difficult position because that's typically his role but HH is just so much more advanced offensively and with a full preseason training as a defender you'd think he'd be even more comfortable. I'm not sure what to do with Haynes tbh, it's difficult if he's not playing because we have so much money committed to him so for him to just not be playing feels like a waste but I think the teams better with HH playing his role. Whitfield is a wing imo, allows him to be one of the main kickers going i50 and have some damage forward of centre, also means he can really just work his defender over with his running. Cumming is great off half back and could see Fahey having an impact down there as well. Think it's a big year for Ash, going into his 4th year probably been a bit underwhelming outside of his encouraging first year, think we all want to see him play down back and be given real opportunity there.The difference between this view & PMBangers' view is exactly where I'm split.
The problem with putting HH down back - where I agree he excelled this season - is that he either plays 2nd tall and there's no need for Buckley or Aleer in that position, OR he plays the interceptor role in which case he replaces Haynes & the second KPF is Buckley/Aleer, OR we play 4 talls which has its own issues about structure/pressure/run.
Could we see Aleer take Idun's role? Idun is more of a restricting defender, but somewhat of a poor rebounder, tending to kick sideways to another player to get the rebound going. Now that's OK, if his defensive role is valued and achieving what we need. But if someone like Aleer can be restrictive, take marks, and rebound more effectively ... then we might make that change. But that still begs the question of Buckley v HH OR Haynes v HH, otherwise we are too tall IMHO.
Whether Fahey starts the season in first grade IMHO comes down to two things (apart from obviously his own preparation & readiness): where does Kingsley see Ash and Whitfield's best position (if midfield & wing the Fahey is more likely to get a go, if HBF then not), and how AK rates Adam Kennedy. He's probably IMHO the closest "like" player who could cede a position - a combination of lockdown skills, run and kick rebound. As has been discussed many times in this forum, he's not a prodigious kick, but does tend to be safe with his kicking. If AK is looking for better rebound (read: take more risks) from defence, and Fahey can match the 1-on-1 defence of Kennedy, then he's probably a good shot.
Really good read.The difference between this view & PMBangers' view is exactly where I'm split.
The problem with putting HH down back - where I agree he excelled this season - is that he either plays 2nd tall and there's no need for Buckley or Aleer in that position, OR he plays the interceptor role in which case he replaces Haynes & the second KPF is Buckley/Aleer, OR we play 4 talls which has its own issues about structure/pressure/run.
Could we see Aleer take Idun's role? Idun is more of a restricting defender, but somewhat of a poor rebounder, tending to kick sideways to another player to get the rebound going. Now that's OK, if his defensive role is valued and achieving what we need. But if someone like Aleer can be restrictive, take marks, and rebound more effectively ... then we might make that change. But that still begs the question of Buckley v HH OR Haynes v HH, otherwise we are too tall IMHO.
Whether Fahey starts the season in first grade IMHO comes down to two things (apart from obviously his own preparation & readiness): where does Kingsley see Ash and Whitfield's best position (if midfield & wing the Fahey is more likely to get a go, if HBF then not), and how AK rates Adam Kennedy. He's probably IMHO the closest "like" player who could cede a position - a combination of lockdown skills, run and kick rebound. As has been discussed many times in this forum, he's not a prodigious kick, but does tend to be safe with his kicking. If AK is looking for better rebound (read: take more risks) from defence, and Fahey can match the 1-on-1 defence of Kennedy, then he's probably a good shot.
Yeah Buckley is a bit of a wildcard, he was fine offensively in 2021 but if he can take a bit of step forward in that department across preseason then HH might not be needed down back as good as he is there, in saying that if we see a jump forward from Riccardi then he might not be needed down forward either so if things go to plan he might be a bit of a luxury at either end. Just think with how aggressive and precise HH was down back with his kicking it really opens up so much ahead of the ball.If Buckley gets back to where he was HH would be ideal at CHF using his kicking skills further up the ground than out of the goal square. He also doesn't have to rely on delivery playing further up field either as his pack marking isn't his strength.
I'm going withTaylor Buckley HH
Idun Cumming Fahey Ash
... leaves no room for Haynes (allegedly on big $$).
Taylor Buckley HH
Haynes Cumming Fahey Ash
... except I'm not convinced Haynes is better in the role that Idun plays (1 on 1 restrictor).
Taylor HH Haynes
Idun Cumming Fahey Ash
... providing HH can defend 1-on-1 OK, and Haynes is back in form, gives us rebound run (via Cumming, Fahey & Ash), and long/precision kicking (via HH, Cumming, Fahey).
Pre-season watch will be interesting.
Yeah, while I am in two minds about what to do with HH, to be honest this is probably what I'm favouring presently. But obviously AK's gameplan and pre-season will determine a lot of things for season 2023.I'm going with
Idun Taylor Haynes
Fahey Buckley Cumming Kennedy
I'm throwing Ash in the midfield and on the wing so his running power/tagging can be utilised both ways a little more. I think he will have the ability to open teams up with his running. I think his one on one defence with he's in the backline isn't up to the standard of Kennedy (who had a ripping and underrated season in 2022).
I'm also throwing HH forward. He links up well and with Daniels/Bedford floating about I think he might light it up.