News Andrew Thorburn is retaining legal counsel for wrongful termination by the Essendon Football Club. NOW WITH BIG BANGS

[Chief]

Posts arguing about the validity of transgender people and abortion and all that stuff are being moved. Stick to the topic please.

Thread bans will start tonight for people who cannot stay on topic.

Essendon Football Club CEO Announcement.

Further news:

• New Bombers boss responds to backlash after appointment that ‘spits in the face of every queer Essendon member’
• New Essendon CEO, Andrew Thorburn, involved in church expressing homophobic, anti-abortion views
• Victorian Premier Andrews slams absolutely appalling views of new Essendon CEO'S church
• New Dons CEO to lead 'inclusive' club despite divisive church links

• Thorburn resigns... Essendon Club Statement
• AFR article - paywalled

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Does he stop holding those beliefs?

I mean, if you are black and your boss treats you fairly, but outside of work he attends Klan rallies, do you only worry about how he treats you?

id suggest the comparison with the KKK, to whose entire existence is built upon bigotry is not a good comparison to Church, which whilst has bigoted elements, it is not its main purpose.

it would be much more stark for someone in the KKK to disagree with believes, than somoene in the church....

 

[TheBigHorne]

id suggest the comparison with the KKK, to whose entire existence is built upon bigotry is not a good comparison to Church, which whilst has bigoted elements, it is not its main purpose.

Hitler thought he was doing what was best for Germany...

 

[PhatBoy]

I think even terming it “pro life” is really disingenuous. Pro life would mean that the same people who want to ban abortion should be all for the government and their tax dollars supporting that life from there out. Given how Australia specially acts towards “dole bludgers” I’m yet to see evidence that that is the case. Remember that actually being able to afford the child is important.

A more realistic term would be “pro forced birth”. Because once that baby actually comes out, all the ban-abortion folk seem to stop caring about it really quickly. I think with this more accurate title you can see why people would be offended.

That is a tremendous generalisation and a very unfair one

 

[PhatBoy]

Because this church wants rape victims to be forced to not have an abortion.
Plus no one has the right to tell a women what to do with her own body. It's called liberty.

That’s not liberty. That’s called life.

When I got my wife pregnant I don’t want to have all the control over what decisions came next but I sure as hell wasn’t going to let other people make every decision about my son just because I wasn’t myself born with the necessary tools to carry him from conception

 

[Chief]

Impossible to do.

Not a member of his or anyone's church am I.

I'd say neither are any of us here so maybe he is and maybe he isn't making change happen.

Maybe it's at a more individual level than a group one.

You run a large football platform. Go ask him for an interview.

I am sure, as a commercial organisation masquerading as a church, they have marketing out there.

If not, Thorburn hasn't done his actual job.

Good sign, no?

They still seem to think homosexuality is a sin:

Homosexuality - Him and Her - City on a Hill

resources.cityonahill.com.au

At the very least, Thorburn will take money from anyone with any belief system.

If he doesn't follow the views of the church he ran, he is just another corporate mercenary. His claims to religiosity are worth less than nothing.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

If I was a gay/lesbian AFL/AFLW player at Essendon I'd be requesting a trade as soon as possible. What a s**t show of a club, can they sink any lower?

Lols

 

[Chief]

That is a tremendous generalisation and a very unfair one

If you are against abortion under any circumstances, you are a forced-birther.

You can use other words for it, but it doesn't make the forced-birther label any less true.

 

[Freomaniac]

Something new to be outraged about!

No AFL club has any morals or ethics LoL.

This makes Ross Lyon look like a harmless bloke LoL

 

[PhatBoy]

Because you are stripping women of bodily autonomy. How can you be oblivious to that?

As opposed to stripping men of their procreative autonomy by giving them 0 say?

No I’m not talking about rape here I think it’s a separate moral sphere.

I am talking about the idea that two consenting adults take the necessary steps to create a life: men can’t carry a baby. They don’t get a say in that. It doesn’t make them any less the child’s parent.

 

[Ginnieboy]

Change Essendons name to the gift.

 

[Chief]

Something new to be outraged about!

I assume that means you think it's nothing to comment about? Nothing to be concerned about?

 

[PhatBoy]

If you are against abortion under any circumstances, you are a forced-birther.

You can use other words for it, but it doesn't make the forced-birther label any less true.

Ok mate.

 

[Cyber_punk]

Dunno if posted already but apparently the Essendon membership hotlines have been "bombarded" with bombers supporters calling for his axing.

This is only going to get worse it seems.

 

[Chief]

As opposed to stripping men of their procreative autonomy by giving them 0 say?

That's how it is, unfortunately. It's not in your body.

I am talking about the idea that two consenting adults take the necessary steps to create a life: men can’t carry a baby. They don’t get a say in that.

That's life.

It doesn’t make them any less the child’s parent.

Nobody said it does.

 

[Dinsdale]

Flying Spaghetti Monster is confused about all this make believe god stuff.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Something new to be outraged about!

The world we live in unfortanley always need to find something to get outrage about

 

[Bostonian]

I am sure, as a commercial organisation masquerading as a church, they have marketing out there.

If not, Thorburn hasn't done his actual job.

Good sign, no?

They still seem to think homosexuality is a sin:

Homosexuality - Him and Her - City on a Hill

resources.cityonahill.com.au

At the very least, Thorburn will take money from anyone with any belief system.

If he doesn't follow the views of the church he ran, he is just another corporate mercenary. His claims to religiosity are worth less than nothing.

So he should be very good for the commercial side of the club then knowing how to drain every cent out of the faithful.

 

[owen87]

Flying Spaghetti Monster is confused about all this make believe god stuff.

The most delicious of all the Gods.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

They still seem to think homosexuality is a sin

It clearly is under the tenets of the religion. You can say it’s immoral to hold that position but to act like it isn’t a sin is to give away the religion entirely.

I know they don’t follow other stupid rules like wearing garments of two seperate materials and sacrifice pigeons every time they are on their period; but the push should be for consistency of modern perspective rather than to deny the exist of the sin in accordance with the book.

 

[Kappa]

How bout your playing list ? Are they judged on your understanding of their beliefs ? Members ?

Umm.. what? The CEO of an organisation must be held to a higher standard than other people as they are in a position of power and leadership.

 

[owen87]

As opposed to stripping men of their procreative autonomy by giving them 0 say?

No I’m not talking about rape here I think it’s a separate moral sphere.

I am talking about the idea that two consenting adults take the necessary steps to create a life: men can’t carry a baby. They don’t get a say in that. It doesn’t make them any less the child’s parent.

As someone who is in favour of men being able to have a paper abortion, I don't think the two are analogous.

 

[owen87]

Thorburn will take money from anyone with any belief system.

If he doesn't follow the views of the church he ran, he is just another corporate mercenary. His claims to religiosity are worth less than nothing.

Well yes, all of this is obvious surely.

 

[PhatBoy]

That's life.

Not for the child it seems.

 

[FRUMPY]

Dunno if posted already but apparently the Essendon membership hotlines have been "bombarded" with bombers supporters calling for his axing.

This is only going to get worse it seems.

Wonder how many of these will cancel their membership and for how long if and when he isn't sacked and Essendon make the 8......

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[Bostonian]

Umm.. what? The CEO of an organisation must be held to a higher standard than other people as they are in a position of power and leadership.

Wouldn't he have been held to that standard at NAB?

I'd suggest an organisation like that would potentially have even higher standards than a football club.