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List Mgmt. 2022 Trade Thread - Part III

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SaintWWodonga said:
Channel Seven’s Mitch Cleary believes GWS could be open to trading Lachie Whitfield.

Whitfield, 28, still has five years left on a bumper seven-year deal with the Giants and shedding his sizeable contract could help the club refresh.
While the outside player hasn’t been officially linked to any move, Cleary believes the length of contract and amount owing to Whitfield could convince the Giants to trade him if a suitor emerges.

“I think deep down the Giants would be open to trading Lachie Whitfield,” Cleary said on SEN Mornings.

“As you say, it’s just a matter of finding a suitor, but things can emerge late in trade periods, clubs get desperate.”

After missing out on free agent Jordan De Goey, Cleary believes a club like St Kilda could emerge as a suitor for Whitfield, particularly as they’ve announced their ambitions to add more top-end talent to their list.

“Look at St Kilda, they started and walked in day one of the trade period on Monday and said, ‘We’re here for more A-grade talent, we’ve got good players, but we need better players’,” Cleary said.

“But right now, all they’ve brought in is Zaine Cordy and they missed on Jordan De Goey.”

Considering St Kilda has the money available that they would’ve spent on De Goey, Cleary feels they have the cap space to take Whitfield’s contract on.

“They obviously had $850,000 – 900,000 sitting in their salary cap for Jordan De Goey and he hasn’t taken that, so would a club like St Kilda get involved for Lachie Whitfield?,” Cleary asked.

“He’s got links there, Gubby (Graeme) Allen spent time with Lachie Whitfield at the Giants, we know what those two have been through together.

“So, I wouldn’t be surprised if a club came late for Lachie Whitfield, I don’t think it’s happened yet.

“But I think the Giants would be open to those conversations if it was to emerge.”

AFL Media’s Cal Twomey believes Whitfield or defender Nick Haynes could be put on the trade table if Richmond aren’t able to land a trade for midfielder Jacob Hopper.

Is gettable Giant the “A-grade” recruit Saints should target?

“Would a club like St Kilda get involved for Lachie Whitfield?”
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Only way I'd be happy to take on that contract would be a first round draft pick coming our way salary dump

Don't see that happening. If they are desperate to off load cap space they will just do the Hopper deal
 
Joffaboy said:
No it's not, they are two separate issues.

I don't count Acres, shown not to be wanted by two clubs. We paid overs in dp's.
A simple comparison between Hill and Acres would show Hill is easily the better player.
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I don't like these comparisons but in nearly every way Acres had a better season than Hill over 2022

Bradley Hill and Blake Acres AFL Stats Comparison

He's also younger.
 
SaintWWodonga said:
Channel Seven’s Mitch Cleary believes GWS could be open to trading Lachie Whitfield.

Whitfield, 28, still has five years left on a bumper seven-year deal with the Giants and shedding his sizeable contract could help the club refresh.
While the outside player hasn’t been officially linked to any move, Cleary believes the length of contract and amount owing to Whitfield could convince the Giants to trade him if a suitor emerges.

“I think deep down the Giants would be open to trading Lachie Whitfield,” Cleary said on SEN Mornings.

“As you say, it’s just a matter of finding a suitor, but things can emerge late in trade periods, clubs get desperate.”

After missing out on free agent Jordan De Goey, Cleary believes a club like St Kilda could emerge as a suitor for Whitfield, particularly as they’ve announced their ambitions to add more top-end talent to their list.

“Look at St Kilda, they started and walked in day one of the trade period on Monday and said, ‘We’re here for more A-grade talent, we’ve got good players, but we need better players’,” Cleary said.

“But right now, all they’ve brought in is Zaine Cordy and they missed on Jordan De Goey.”

Considering St Kilda has the money available that they would’ve spent on De Goey, Cleary feels they have the cap space to take Whitfield’s contract on.

“They obviously had $850,000 – 900,000 sitting in their salary cap for Jordan De Goey and he hasn’t taken that, so would a club like St Kilda get involved for Lachie Whitfield?,” Cleary asked.

“He’s got links there, Gubby (Graeme) Allen spent time with Lachie Whitfield at the Giants, we know what those two have been through together.

“So, I wouldn’t be surprised if a club came late for Lachie Whitfield, I don’t think it’s happened yet.

“But I think the Giants would be open to those conversations if it was to emerge.”

AFL Media’s Cal Twomey believes Whitfield or defender Nick Haynes could be put on the trade table if Richmond aren’t able to land a trade for midfielder Jacob Hopper.

Is gettable Giant the “A-grade” recruit Saints should target?

“Would a club like St Kilda get involved for Lachie Whitfield?”
www.sen.com.au www.sen.com.au
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Mmm the dream is alive to have Billings, Hill and Whitfield in one team.
 
flyingmagic said:
Do not want 5 years of whitfield. He would just become the next Hill and it's hard to imagine him living up to the contract.

Just because we have money does not mean we need to spend it.

2 years of Nick Haynes would be nice though (even if he is older).
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He legitimately has the worst contract in the AFL today. Worse than Grundy, Adams, McGovern, Polec, Hill all of them.

His output-to-contract ratio is astonishing. 7 Years at $1,000,000 was insanity for a halfback flanker/winger - even for one that was as good as he was for about 18 months.

If we bring him in we're committing $1.9 Million a year to the halfback line between him and Hill until 2025. That's atrocious and I just can't stomach that we'd do it.
 

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Geary Is GOAT said:
He legitimately has the worst contract in the AFL today. Worse than Grundy, Adams, McGovern, Polec, Hill all of them.

His output-to-contract ratio is astonishing. 7 Years at $1,000,000 was insanity for a halfback flanker/winger - even for one that was as good as he was for about 18 months.

If we bring him in we're committing $1.9 Million a year to the halfback line between him and Hill until 2025. That's atrocious and I just can't stomach that we'd do it.
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Instant upgrade on Long though ;)
 
SaintWWodonga said:
Channel Seven’s Mitch Cleary believes GWS could be open to trading Lachie Whitfield.

Whitfield, 28, still has five years left on a bumper seven-year deal with the Giants and shedding his sizeable contract could help the club refresh.
While the outside player hasn’t been officially linked to any move, Cleary believes the length of contract and amount owing to Whitfield could convince the Giants to trade him if a suitor emerges.

“I think deep down the Giants would be open to trading Lachie Whitfield,” Cleary said on SEN Mornings.

“As you say, it’s just a matter of finding a suitor, but things can emerge late in trade periods, clubs get desperate.”

After missing out on free agent Jordan De Goey, Cleary believes a club like St Kilda could emerge as a suitor for Whitfield, particularly as they’ve announced their ambitions to add more top-end talent to their list.

“Look at St Kilda, they started and walked in day one of the trade period on Monday and said, ‘We’re here for more A-grade talent, we’ve got good players, but we need better players’,” Cleary said.

“But right now, all they’ve brought in is Zaine Cordy and they missed on Jordan De Goey.”

Considering St Kilda has the money available that they would’ve spent on De Goey, Cleary feels they have the cap space to take Whitfield’s contract on.

“They obviously had $850,000 – 900,000 sitting in their salary cap for Jordan De Goey and he hasn’t taken that, so would a club like St Kilda get involved for Lachie Whitfield?,” Cleary asked.

“He’s got links there, Gubby (Graeme) Allen spent time with Lachie Whitfield at the Giants, we know what those two have been through together.

“So, I wouldn’t be surprised if a club came late for Lachie Whitfield, I don’t think it’s happened yet.

“But I think the Giants would be open to those conversations if it was to emerge.”

AFL Media’s Cal Twomey believes Whitfield or defender Nick Haynes could be put on the trade table if Richmond aren’t able to land a trade for midfielder Jacob Hopper.

Is gettable Giant the “A-grade” recruit Saints should target?

“Would a club like St Kilda get involved for Lachie Whitfield?”
www.sen.com.au www.sen.com.au
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He’s a gun, I’d be stoked to get him as a semi-salary dump price. I’d give our first rounder for him if we could get a pick swap of 2nds or 3rds in our favour.
 
Geary Is GOAT said:
He legitimately has the worst contract in the AFL today. Worse than Grundy, Adams, McGovern, Polec, Hill all of them.

His output-to-contract ratio is astonishing. 7 Years at $1,000,000 was insanity for a halfback flanker/winger - even for one that was as good as he was for about 18 months.

If we bring him in we're committing $1.9 Million a year to the halfback line between him and Hill until 2025. That's atrocious and I just can't stomach that we'd do it.
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What if it's a Bowes type of deal?
 
MordySaint said:
I have seen it somewhere, I don't think I am making it up.

You tell me where our cap is going to then? There are obviously a few extremely overpaid players.
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I think I saw that mentioned here;

MordySaint said:
Jones at $750K cheap... good grief

Hannebery at whatever squillions we gave him

There's a long list of overpaid superannuation fund seekers which we have become home to over the past 5 years.

ZERO development, zero growth from within. Finally last year Owens, Windhager... we should have done this years ago.
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Some of the shit in this thread never disappoints.
 
SaintWWodonga said:
What if it's a Bowes type of deal?
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The problem is he's an extra $200,000 a year more than Bowes and we can't even spread it out by extending the contract because his contract already runs until he's 33!

The reality is even in a Bowes deal they won't give us 3. It'll be one or two of 12,15,19 and I don't even think its worth it if they gave us 12 and 15.

I can't overstate how disastrous I think this contract is.
 
Trade period is always so interesting, players who have done nothing all of a sudden become must haves.

The almighty lure of potential.

No greater example than Ratugolea, looks like a specimen has all the athletic traits is flashy, but alas he selected Port Adelaide.

Then there is the curious case of Zaine Cordy, copped heaps of crap on this forum apparently a complete dud.
Never mind the fact he was a free agent and Ratugolea isnt.

One would have thought that Cordy as a lock down defender would statistically be significantly worse than Ratugolea who has played as a forward and a ruck.

Funny thing is Cordy averages more disposals and more marks per game across their careers and despite only a years difference in age has played exactly double the games.

Not to mention the great Ben Long, how weak are we giving him up for what we got back, once again potential, the guy averages 10.9 disposals a game across six seasons. Personally I would have bitten off Gold Coasts arm to accept the pick we got.

No doubt we are frustrated, we are paying for years of poor drafting and list management, topped up in 2019 as our list had a serious void in it.

Reckon at the end of 2020 or even half way through this year we thought our list was okay, but here we are back to the drawing board.
There are no quick fixes we are not a destination club, it sickens me to see the NGA rules changed others benefit we miss out yet again.

We need quality and that means hitting the draft, so we don’t have the option of giving up assets for players, hell they don’t want to come to us anyway. So the players we bring in to supplement what we have will have some flaws as they come cheap but if we want to keep our better draft picks to hopefully draft the next Martin or Degoey then that is what we must do.

Cordy is not as bad as many have made out, gives his all and has played a lot of football in a reasonable side and Ratugolea is nowhere near as good as many people believe.

44 years a member and still no closer to a flag, so depressing and frustrating watching other teams break their droughts.

Over to you Chris Toce get it right and over to you Geoff Walsh hope you have more success than the false dawns of The Pelican, Trout and Ameet.
Time to start getting your drafting right.
 
Hayes4PM said:
He’s a gun, I’d be stoked to get him as a semi-salary dump price. I’d give our first rounder for him if we could get a pick swap of 2nds or 3rds in our favour.
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At his best he can be a gun but he is inconsistent and can fade out of games especially if he gets some physical attention and he's injury prone too.

In other words he is similar to Hill and I'm not sure we can carry two players like that in our team with them both on long term big money contracts.
 

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gringo2011 said:
So you're saying we keep ******* s**t up, so what. Just stop whinging? Honestly the best thing about this trade period is a few crap staff are being shown up and should get pushed out. If you keep making mistakes and not fixing the structural issues you are not serious about wanting success.

We let a sacked media manger review our list and be the architect of a new one. Completely botched it so we have promoted him to a spot where he can't break as much stuff. We kept the 2IC in our recruiting department even after we realised that they'd botched 10 years worth of drafts.

You don't have to draft elite talent, you can trade for it as well. On top of that we should be trying to constantly upgrade the weak links with better players through trades and free agency at the same time.

We are king to have to rely on coaching improvements and internal growth to move forward next year because it looks like we haven't been able to make any obvious list improvements.
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You denigrating Simon Lethlean just shows how poor your judgement is. Except for his indiscretion a few years back, he would be the CEO of the AFL by now.

You are correct that he failed to make our list premiership worthy, but I can see continual work to make the list better. You might think we can transform the list in one trading period, but I’ve not seen that happen since the eighties, which tells me it’s not possible in the draft era.

Your continual bagging of everything the club does or does not do is as idiotic as it is tiring.


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PlayerNumber9 said:
You denigrating Simon Lethlean just shows how poor your judgement is. Except for his indiscretion a few years back, he would be the CEO of the AFL by now.

You are correct that he failed to make our list premiership worthy, but I can see continual work to make the list better. You might think we can transform the list in one trading period, but I’ve not seen that happen since the eighties, which tells me it’s not possible in the draft era.

Your continual bagging of everything the club does or does not do is as idiotic as it is tiring.


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Settle down lethers, get it right and we’ll stop bagging you.
 

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Premium said:
He is a gun but not at a million a year x 7 , he would want to come for nothing trade wise on that 7 year sentence.
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I’d take him if he came with pick 12 and $300,000 x 7. That’s actually a fair deal Imo but gws have too many irons in the fire to get it done.
 
flyingmagic said:
Do not want 5 years of whitfield. He would just become the next Hill and it's hard to imagine him living up to the contract.

Just because we have money does not mean we need to spend it.

2 years of Nick Haynes would be nice though (even if he is older).
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I think his best is much better than Hill’s best. If they paid part of his salary he’d be worth a look. He was an elite HBF when GWS were flying. His potential is to be our best player by a fair margin. You could throw him into Sincs spot and release him into the mids. His kicking is elite. He’s not a match winner like DeGoey but he’s been the better player so far.
 
George said:
I think I saw that mentioned here;




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Some of the s**t in this thread never disappoints.
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Give me some reputable figures then...

I've been backing my team all day, saying why would you want to go to Geelong as its a s%%hole

Come to St Kilda, SE suburbs of Melbourne ... good food, wine, song and surf on the east coast
 
Plugger35 said:
At his best he can be a gun but he is inconsistent and can fade out of games especially if he gets some physical attention and he's injury prone too.

In other words he is similar to Hill and I'm not sure we can carry two players like that in our team with them both on long term big money contracts.
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Premium said:
He is a gun but not at a million a year x 7 , he would want to come for nothing trade wise on that 7 year sentence.
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He’s not as much of a squib of contests as Hill, but yeah I wouldn’t take that salary on, either he takes a cut or GWS PAY PART, or both. I’d happily pay him around the 600k mark.
 

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