Traded Mega deal - 4 clubs, 2 players, 14 picks (inc #1, #2, #3, #8, #12 and 5 future picks)

[XhazzafootyX]

Did north get stooged

 

[SnowRoo]

North would be brave to move from 1 to 3 without owning 2. North must be confident in the Cadman link to GWS but they’d also have to know the Eagles plans unless they’re happy with the crop.

Eagles also can’t move off 2 without Port unless they find a better offer than 8 and 12, looking at the current first round I’m not convinced by that. 8 has to be key to their plans of trading back, they have to have a limit of elite talent.

If there’s one team that doesn’t need Port it’s GWS, they could do a deal with the eagles for pick 2 and stiff North who don’t seem to want Cadman, but that risks someone else jumping to 1.

At the end of the day the big pieces of this deal work for all 4 teams. The small stuff can be negotiated

Is just a Sinn/Bergman short of being easy

8, Ports F1, S/B for JHF and a F3

Ports F1 to GWS for 12

8, 12 for 2

1 for 3, 15, 18

Seriously simple, Port just won't anti up.

 

[master bate]

Yeah Cats F2 already gone.

GWS isn't too bad
1 for 3, 12, 18
15 for a salary dump, future 2nd, future 3rd

I think adding 18 is too much when it’s an even draft from what will be 2-4.

I’d also hope GWS don’t need to dump salary so aggressively. All these picks coming in will be cost controlled for 2 years and apart from the big 3 mids, Taylor and Toby the Giants cap should be looking better. I’d try to get Haynes playing good footy again that hopefully makes him a cheaper dump or extension off a bad 1 year deal next year.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

My best guess

Cats:

• In - Ports F2 + 20
• Out - Rata, 25, Gee F2

Bris:

• In - 33
• Out - 38 + 48

WC:

• In - 8, 12, 15, Bonner
• Out - 2, 20, Rioli

GWS:

• In - 1, Cats F2, Freo F3
• Out - 3, 12, 15, 18, Haynes

Port:

• In - JHF, Rioli, Rata, Haynes +38 + 48
• Out - 8, 33, F1, F2, Bonner

North:

• In - 2, 3, 18, 20, Port F1
• Out - JHF, 1, Freo F3

Bris are losing points there dont see why they would get involved unless its a points gain.
Gws are also overpaying.

 

[perplexed]

It all comes down to what players the clubs think will be available at the picks they will be getting. This notion that oh previously a club has offered this amount for this pick so therefor that’s its worth is wrong. The trades worth is what players that club is looking to get with those picks.

From WC perspective, they can currently get 1 crack at a future star with pick 2. Otherwise splitting that they get a shot at 2 potential home grown hugely rated talents in Busslinger and Hewett which they can build around. Getting 2 highly rated players may be more appealing to WC then just the one and they may be happy to make that move without arguing over how many draft points they may be down or what pick 2 has previously been traded for as otherwise, they likely miss out on one of those draftees.

Same for North, they have more holes than a block of cheese in their list. Loosing pick 1 and JHF but gaining what could be 4 top 10 draft picks over 2 years (ignoring their natural one next year) again could set their list up for the future if they nail them and walk out with the likes of Sheezel, Wardell, Tsitsas and a future first. Otherwise the alternative is yes pick 1 and get a great player while holding onto a disgruntled one who is just as likely to leave next year.

From GWS perspective, they simply have far too many picks this year and that’s without the hopper deal yet as well. They are likely happy to throw a bunch of those picks towards pick 1 to get a particular player while still holding a number of other first rounders to complement pick 1.

Port come into it because pick 8 is and excellent splitting point that would assist in the above scenarios. Those saying oh we could just make those trades without port are then selling short the need for pick 8 and our future pick to be included to provide that middle ground for WC and North.

All in all, I think clubs will be looking at particular players they can get with their picks and whether 2/3 first round picks out ways the “value” assigned to holding pick 1 and 2.

If both Nth and WC are chasing maximum value out of those picks then it will not move ahead. However in saying that, they may also be loosing out from their own clubs perspective by entering the draft with only the 1 high pick rather than multiple.

Who would they prefer, WC could have Busslinger and Hewitt or Wardell.

North could have Wardell, Sheezel, Tsitsas and a future pick or Cadman and JHF.

Sure, but we can worry about that in a couple of weeks when we have more intell on who is interested in who. Right now all North and WC need to do is maximise the return on our departing players. How we swap picks with each other and gws need have nothing to do with Port.

 

[Brian McGee]

Is just a Sinn/Bergman short of being easy

8, Ports F1, S/B for JHF and a F3

Ports F1 to GWS for 12

8, 12 for 2

1 for 3, 15, 18

Seriously simple, Port just won't anti up.

So what will your reaction be if port get this done without giving up sinn or Bergman?

 

[Schulzenfest]

Sure, but we can worry about that in a couple of weeks when we have more intell on who is interested in who. Right now all North and WC need to do is maximise the return on our departing players. How we swap picks with each other and gws need have nothing to do with Port.

Including Port in the deal is how you maximise the return on your departing players. Excluding Port out of spite and holding out for an imaginary gun kid who wants to go to your club (spoiler, there isn't one) is how you minimise it.

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

How we swap picks with each other and gws need have nothing to do with Port.

Disagree as can’t see how the pick swaps go through without pick 8 being involved.

If GWS want to swap 3,12 and 15 or whatever it is for 1 then no they don’t need us. But what then is the deal with WC to get pick 2 if you want it?

North trade 12, 15 and their future pick onto WC? Well I highly doubt North would be trading any future picks of theirs so they need pick 8 in there in some form or they can’t get pick 2.

Without us, I don’t see how North can get pick 2 and 3.

 

[Young Gun #6]

This is why the deal falls over. Too much of it hinges on North or WC getting the rough end of the stick.

I'm not trying to continue the shitfighting in this thread, but I'm staggered that Port expect deals to get done without giving anything up of real value.

Two 1st rounders (potentially both top 10) + Two 2nd rounders is VALUE.

What planet are you on?

It would be literally the biggest haul in trade history. How is that so hard to get through to your supporters heads?

It’s like slamming our heads against a brick wall. You’re delusional if you don’t think that’s value.

It’s extremely valuable and would be the biggest trade in AFL history ffs.

 

[SnowRoo]

So what will your reaction be if port get this done without giving up sinn or Bergman?

Hats off to Port

Shame on whoever gets taken be it WC or North.

Even with them it's a win for Port, aside from all the anger and venom, JHF can seriously football. Port win even at a steep price.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I think North can still do better, plus there's no benefit to GWS or North by combining the deals.

Trading down from 1 should have nothing to do with Port or WC, as they don't add any value to either side in this mega trade.

I understand what you meant earlier regarding players rather than draft picks driving value, but there is only 1 elite tier KPF in the draft in Cadman. North have as much a need for that position as GWS, so it would need to be a really good deal to pry that pick away.

Honestly, #1 > #3 + #12 + #19 is the most likely trade IMO.

But there's no reason for North and GWS not do this deal separately from the JHF / pick 2 trade.

Yeah, I really disagree that 19 would be required to get it over the line, 3 and 12 is plenty because 3 is a very high pick. Look at this way, GWS would be giving up like 70% of Taranto and 3 for Cadman…

 

[Free Agent]

West Coast need Port to be involved because if we're not they lose Rioli for nothing. North need Port to be involved because if we're not they're stuck with a player who doesn't want to be there for another 12 months and his value takes another hit. You need Port not to be involved because you've been bleating all week about 'Port will need to give up a gun player to get this done!' so if it gets done without that your ego will take a hit. Unfortunately for you Rawlings is interested in getting a mutually beneficial deal for your club, not in your ego.

Eagles don't need Port involved at all. Right now Rioli is off to the pre season draft. Rioli is worth a 2nd rnd pick but that isn't hardly much of a carrot to say wow we lost something great by him going to the PSD and getting nothing. Pick 27 is a 50/50 at best to even make it at AFL level.

Nisbett and O'Brien already mentioned it that this one will be one that's likely to go down that route as a point that clubs like Port need to stop playing around. If you go for a player pay up or you may find that you won't end up with that player at all. I'm sure North will be looking closely at Rioli after Port doing the same thing with JHF.

I'm completely fine with letting Rioli go for nothing in the pre season draft. Port have completely misunderstood how to actually approach a trade. They will likely come out with nothing. Something has to give because there's only three days left. Eagles just need to sit back relax and watch nothing get done because Port have nothing to offer. Either way we have a great hand going into the draft before this trade period even started.

 

[perplexed]

Including Port in the deal is how you maximise the return on your departing players. Excluding Port out of spite and holding out for an imaginary gun kid who wants to go to your club (spoiler, there isn't one) is how you minimise it.

We wouldn't be excluding Port out of spite, though that's a good reason to as well. We don't need to do the major pick swaps yet and it is in our advantage to wait until we have better intell on what other clubs are up to. We are better off just getting as much off Port for JHF now and sorting out the rest later.

 

[Giant Pete]

Cats:
In - Ports F2 (for Bowes)
Out - Rata, F3

Bris:
In - 33
Out - Cats F2

WC:
In - 8, 12, 18, Bonner
Out - 2, 20, Rioli

GWS:
In - 1, Cats F2, Freo F3
Out - 3, 12, 15, 18, Haynes

Port:
In: JHF, Rioli, Rata, Haynes, Cats F3
Out - 8, 33, F1, F2, Bonner

North:
In - 2, 3, 15, 20, Port F1
Out - JHF, 1, Freo F3

Lol wot

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Hats off to Port

Shame on whoever gets taken be it WC or North.

Even with them it's a win for Port, aside from all the anger and venom, JHF can seriously football. Port win even at a steep price.

If it’s 8 + F1 + Bergman/Sinn Port lose.

 

[SnowRoo]

If it’s 8 + F1 + Bergman/Sinn Port lose.

Good luck finding a player in that lot with half as much talent.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Yeah, I really disagree that 19 would be required to get it over the line, 3 and 12 is plenty because 3 is a very high pick. Look at this way, GWS would be giving up like 70% of Taranto and 3 for Cadman…

Agreed and 19 is probably worth extra on the night..1st pick of r2

 

[Crow till I die]

If it’s 8 + F1 + Bergman/Sinn Port lose.

North could always add a sweetener to it - a future 3rd or a swap of norths future 2 for ports Future 3..plenty of ways to balance out a main deal of 8 + F1 + Sinn

 

[Brian McGee]

Good luck finding a player in that lot with half as much talent.

But 3 players x just under half as much talent each = 1.5 ish x as much talent. Simple maths.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

North could always add a sweetener to it - a future 3rd or a swap of norths future 2 for ports Future 3..plenty of ways to balance out a main deal of 8 + F1 + Sinn

Port could add a sweetener to 8 + F1 rather than push out a talented kid who wants to be there out the door.

 

[Crow till I die]

Port could add a sweetener to 8 + F1 rather than push out a talented kid who wants to be there out the door.

I think there are literally 100 pages on this and port don't have the ability to add that sweetener if pick 33 goes to WCE for Rioli and something goes to Geelong for Ratugolea. They need to offload a player of significance to North or to a club prepared to offer up a decent enough pick to add in. Players like Farrell, Williams etc won't cut the mustard. It will need to be a Bergman / Sinn type imo

North might fold, but people are saying Viney is a tough operator and that would seem unlikely

 

[Jello_B]

If you went out to dinner with Port and it came time to pay the bill, they'd excuse themselves to use the bathroom and then leave.

Well, when Rioli is going back for his fourth KFC dinner box I’d probably leave as well.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

I think there are literally 100 pages on this and port don't have the ability to add that sweetener if pick 33 goes to WCE for Rioli and something goes to Geelong for Ratugolea. They need to offload a player of significance to North or to a club prepared to offer up a decent enough pick to add in. Players like Farrell, Williams etc won't cut the mustard. It will need to be a Bergman / Sinn type imo

North might fold, but people are saying Viney is a tough operator and that would seem unlikely

They will do JHF over Rioli and Esava if push comes to shove. Losing Sinn or Bergman for either of the two makes 0 sense.

 

[Watto71]

You know what, that’s exactly what they do, their media department makes them the most wanted and desirable in the AFL. Unfortunately it’s just fed by lies. That get twisted then eventually proven. Insecure, s**t club xx

What the S.A media run by the crows

 

[Crow till I die]

They will do JHF over Rioli and Esava if push comes to shove. Losing Sinn or Bergman for either of the two makes 0 sense.

And the optics of tapping up not 1 but 3 players (Graham, Rioli and Ratugolea) this trade period only to flick them away will be horrid for that club and players looking at port in the future thinking, I can agree a deal with them but whats to stop them flicking me if a shiny new toy comes along in the same trade period

 

[RossHenshaw]

and TT just backed Clarko , said he’s not leaving & said he can’t wait to play under him ?!