Traded Jack Bowes [Traded to Geelong with #7 for F3]

[Boxhead_31]

It’s easy when your CEO was the AFL operations manager

The one that left the position 20months ago?

 

[Boxhead_31]

Do Geelong supporters actually think having a CEO that was AFL General Manager of Football as recently as 2021 and significantly changed the rules of the game is not a competitive advantage? He would have been privy to salary information amongst other confidential documents.

Geelong are much more interested in pick 7 than Bowes. Can’t wait to see how significant Bowes is on the field. It’s a terrible look. Corrupt club. Cheating the system. Etc

Why can't Richmond produce quality people to fill positions at the AFL?

 

[supahoops]

Do Geelong supporters actually think having a CEO that was AFL General Manager of Football as recently as 2021 and significantly changed the rules of the game is not a competitive advantage? He would have been privy to salary information amongst other confidential documents.

Geelong are much more interested in pick 7 than Bowes. Can’t wait to see how significant Bowes is on the field. It’s a terrible look. Corrupt club. Cheating the system. Etc

Bet you were pretty happy to take Lynch off their hands while contending but that’s different..

 

[Stokey]

Bet you were pretty happy to take Lynch off their hands while contending but that’s different..

They just stole half of GWS's midfield yet they are angry at Geelong.

I don't get it.

 

[citizen-erased]

Bet you were pretty happy to take Lynch off their hands while contending but that’s different..

FA is very different
Tigers took on lynch and his salary. GCS got the pick
Cats took on bowes and his salary....and traded a pick in the 50s to pick 7.

 

[Mantastic]

They just stole half of GWS's midfield yet they are angry at Geelong.

I don't get it.

He needs something to fill the time while waiting for Richmond to have a 5th successful season in his lifetime.

 

[supahoops]

FA is very different
Tigers took on lynch and his salary. GCS got the pick
Cats took on bowes and his salary....and traded a pick in the 50s to pick 7.

I don’t think the ‘system’ was designed for that. But a tiggies fan bleating that we’re cheating. Please.

 

[Rockford]

Seems like geelong got all the benefits of a salary dump and no negatives because they can spread it over 4

Geelong didn't get any benefits of a salary dump, Gold Coast got the benefit of a salary dump. To benefit from a salary dump Gold Coast needed to get a contracted player that they owed a lot of money to agree to move to another club, then they needed to incentivise that club to take the player and make him a contract offer that he'd be willing to accept. Now they can benefit from the salary dump in coming seasons.

The "negative" for Geelong is that they're taking on a player that wants to go to their club and agreed to meet his salary demands which would otherwise be excessive for his recent output. If no club agreed to his contract requirements then he would've opted to stay at Gold Coast and get paid his $800k a year. So then Gold Cost (who this benefits), to get the club that Bowes selected to agree to the player's contract requirements have offered a high draft pick. Geelong get compensated P7 from having a well managed salary cap and from having a club and culture that the player being dumped wanted to join on top of getting the player at what, at current market value, is an inflated salary.

 

[melanChronic]

I think the real problem this highlights is the different salary cap, in real terms, that teams like Gold Coast are operating under. Gold Coast has to overpay their kids in their second and third contracts just to get them to stick around. This creates these cap issues that other clubs don't have to deal with. It's telling that Bowes agreed to essentially go onto a rookie wage ($150k) with Geelong for his last two years, which is a luxury that Gold Coast just doesn't have.

Instead of a COLA they need a COBRA (cost of being rancid allowance).

 

[The Unforgiven]

Geelong meeting up tomorrow.

Prophetic!

 

[Chocoholic]

Do Geelong supporters actually think having a CEO that was AFL General Manager of Football as recently as 2021 and significantly changed the rules of the game is not a competitive advantage? He would have been privy to salary information amongst other confidential documents.

Geelong are much more interested in pick 7 than Bowes. Can’t wait to see how significant Bowes is on the field. It’s a terrible look. Corrupt club. Cheating the system. Etc

It has been almost 2 years since he left, since when do the AFL make good strong long term decisions.

No they make shitty short term overreactions.

Also he did not have in depth knowledge of caps or salaries, AFL hire a player movement manager to do that + a team that would report to him.

He will also overlook the player movement space in the AFLW competition and will work alongside the AFL’s football operations and total player payments and compliance team.

Never understand how Ned Guy landed that gig.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

It has been almost 2 years since he left, since when do the AFL make good strong long term decisions.

No they make shitty short term overreactions.

Also he did not have in depth knowledge of caps or salaries, AFL hire a player movement manager to do that + a team that would report to him.



Never understand how Ned Guy landed that gig.

I don't understand how Ned Guy landed any gig

 

[Bjo187]

Do Geelong supporters actually think having a CEO that was AFL General Manager of Football as recently as 2021 and significantly changed the rules of the game is not a competitive advantage? He would have been privy to salary information amongst other confidential documents.

Geelong are much more interested in pick 7 than Bowes. Can’t wait to see how significant Bowes is on the field. It’s a terrible look. Corrupt club. Cheating the system. Etc

Hopefully we reap the same benefits next year with Scott, we need all the help we can get.

Gold coast and gws should have extra money in their salary cap, I dunno why it would have to include Sydney and Brisbane, they don't need any help but this constant churning of players basically ruins all the other money the AFL are putting into expansion.

 

[SplintWhisky]

FA is very different
Tigers took on lynch and his salary. GCS got the pick
Cats took on bowes and his salary....and traded a pick in the 50s to pick 7.

And, if reports are correct, smoothed the deal so he gets the same amount of money over 4 years instead of two.

That is the real dodgy element of the trade. The Cats getting pick 7 out of the deal is fine. The Cats/Melbourne/Richmond/any club that trades in a contracted player however, should have to honour the financial agreements of the original contract.

For Bowes he was supposed to be paid 825k per year for the next two years, then that is what the cats should have to pay and any further years beyond that are at a salary negotiated between player and club. Same thing with Us and Hopper and Melbourne and Grundy. It seems real dodgy that you can essentially get a player to work for free for 2 years.

 

[crocsta]

It’s great for the cats but the trade could only be done if cats management have excellent relationships with existing players, as their is the risk of upsetting them if they feel they’re underpaid


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[Art Vandelay_]

Except that's not what's happened. He's allowed to spread the salary over 4 years.

That makes it no longer a salary dump.
Why not just do that at GC?

Strictly speaking that is not true. GC have successfully dumped his salary.

 

[Revan11]

And, if reports are correct, smoothed the deal so he gets the same amount of money over 4 years instead of two.

That is the real dodgy element of the trade. The Cats getting pick 7 out of the deal is fine. The Cats/Melbourne/Richmond/any club that trades in a contracted player however, should have to honour the financial agreements of the original contract.

For Bowes he was supposed to be paid 825k per year for the next two years, then that is what the cats should have to pay and any further years beyond that are at a salary negotiated between player and club. Same thing with Us and Hopper and Melbourne and Grundy. It seems real dodgy that you can essentially get a player to work for free for 2 years.

Yeh it’s make absolutely no sense why the cats get to spread the contract, otherwise why wouldn’t GC have just done it?

It also deprives Bowes of potential future earnings after the two years.

This is all very dodgy and definitely an underhanded leg up to the cats.

 

[elbarton]

There’s a significant fairness issue due to the AFL environment in which players have to approve their trade destination.

In all other competitions which don’t require player consent for trades, the salary dump trade can be accessed by all teams, it simply comes down to who offers the best deal (and can absorb the salary).

I’m sure that there would have been other teams willing to take on Bowes’ money to get pick 7, with a specific player in mind for the draft, or to facilitate an on-trade. It may well have helped the mega trade happen sooner, for example.

In classic AFL fashion, wanting to be more like NFL/NBA, but with half-arsed approach that makes this easily skewed towards certain clubs.

 

[Tristan34]

And, if reports are correct, smoothed the deal so he gets the same amount of money over 4 years instead of two.

That is the real dodgy element of the trade. The Cats getting pick 7 out of the deal is fine. The Cats/Melbourne/Richmond/any club that trades in a contracted player however, should have to honour the financial agreements of the original contract.

For Bowes he was supposed to be paid 825k per year for the next two years, then that is what the cats should have to pay and any further years beyond that are at a salary negotiated between player and club. Same thing with Us and Hopper and Melbourne and Grundy. It seems real dodgy that you can essentially get a player to work for free for 2 years.

You obviously don't understand the basic fundamentals of a contract and how it works...

 

[SplintWhisky]

You obviously don't understand the basic fundamentals of a contract and how it works...

You need 3 things for a legally binding contract.
1. Offer
2. Acceptance
3. Consideration

There is also the need that both parties intend to complete the contract as well as both parties being of sound mind when entering into one. Happy? Good.

The issue is that cats have been able to subvert the system and convince a player to play for free for 2 years which shouldn't be allowed. The AFL should of stopped it and the AFLPA should be up in arms about it because it sets a real bad precedent.

When it comes to the traded contracted players, Richmond should have to pay the full whack of Hopper's reported 600k next year and Melbourne should have to pay the high Grundy contract for the rest of its stated terms (notwithstanding any salary sharing arrangements between the two clubs). If you are trading a player in this Sporting system, regardless of contract law, you should be trading the contract as is. So in this case the Cats should be paying the 825k per year for the next two years then they can negotiate a wage from there.

 

[The_Todd07]

Yeh it’s make absolutely no sense why the cats get to spread the contract, otherwise why wouldn’t GC have just done it?

It also deprives Bowes of potential future earnings after the two years.

This is all very dodgy and definitely an underhanded leg up to the cats.

Bowes could have renegotiated with GC but the last time he did that didn't work out so well.
He also could have said to any prospective teams that he intends to be paid according to his current contract.
He agreed to the smoothed out contract that was part of our pitch to him

 

[Patronus]

Yeh it’s make absolutely no sense why the cats get to spread the contract, otherwise why wouldn’t GC have just done it?

It also deprives Bowes of potential future earnings after the two years.

This is all very dodgy and definitely an underhanded leg up to the cats.

He was under contract to Gold Coast and had no obligation to renegotiate it with them. To be fair he had already helped them out by renegotiating it to backend the contract to free up money earlier on. Now Gold Coast get to not even pay him the money they had delayed in paying him as well.

As a contracted player he still gets to decide to be traded or not and under what conditions. He chose Geelong as the team he wanted to play for for whatever his reasons. Maybe he wants to go to the premiers or live near the beach who knows.

 

[Patronus]

There’s a significant fairness issue due to the AFL environment in which players have to approve their trade destination.

In all other competitions which don’t require player consent for trades, the salary dump trade can be accessed by all teams, it simply comes down to who offers the best deal (and can absorb the salary).

I’m sure that there would have been other teams willing to take on Bowes’ money to get pick 7, with a specific player in mind for the draft, or to facilitate an on-trade. It may well have helped the mega trade happen sooner, for example.

In classic AFL fashion, wanting to be more like NFL/NBA, but with half-arsed approach that makes this easily skewed towards certain clubs.

So your proposal to make it fair is to allow clubs to sell of players to whichever club makes them the best offer no matter what the player wants?

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Bowes could have renegotiated with GC but the last time he did that didn't work out so well.
He also could have said to any prospective teams that he intends to be paid according to his current contract.
He agreed to the smoothed out contract that was part of our pitch to him

I understand salary dumps but The afl have opened a huge can of worms allowing this to go through due to competitive balance it way to one sided the suns are getting screwed if it was the nba the trade would have got vetoed

 

[Tasmanian saint]

So your proposal to make it fair is to allow clubs to sell of players to whichever club makes them the best offer no matter what the player wants?

It how all the majority of other major sporting competitions around the world work Australia’s is the odd one out not having it