Plugger46
Club Legend
Tough one
two different players but I'd take Bartel just for the versatility
two different players but I'd take Bartel just for the versatility
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I don’t know about that black has one of the best grand final performances ever.Jimmy B a lot more damaging, more tools and a better big game player.
Not really close i would have thought.
In my case I had to. Black retired when I was 16 and the last time he played in a respectable team was the year I got into footy, 2004. Can’t pretend that I watched many Brisbane games in that timeframe since they sucked.lol all the cats fans just picking Bartel. Simon Black comfortably.
Sam Mitchell is on the same level as Selwood and Pendlebury in my opinionI'd consider picking Black over Sam Mitchell, do this contest isn't even close.
IMO like Sam, Simon Black was incredibly underrated by the media and general public because his work didn't end up on the highlights reel.
See post 57.lol all the cats fans just picking Bartel. Simon Black comfortably.
So you go onto a polls board to say 'why do a poll?'.See post 57.
And you come on and make a sweeping statement that ALL Cats supporters picked Bartel when my post, 2 posts earlier, proves otherwise.So you go onto a polls board to say 'why do a poll?'.
That must be pretty tiring everytime you're on the polls thread. I have no issues with the poll. I just rate Simon Black higher. He had more class, more time with the ball and definitely better by hand.
Simon black. His accolades are better and although I didn’t see him live I’ve heard many people say he was the best or second best player of that lions team behind Voss. I’ll take their word for it. I don’t think Bartel is at that level.
And you come on and make a sweeping statement that ALL Cats supporters picked Bartel when my post, 2 posts earlier, proves otherwise.
Black May have been classier, but Bartel was more versatile, and a better mark over head. He could play midfield, HBF or forward. You were probably too young to remember he turned momentum in Geelong’s way in the 2009 GF.
Usually I don't use the Brownlow medal as any sort of gauge but Bartel polled 37 votes in the last 7 years of his career. An average of 5.2 per game. Black polled 87. Destroying him. Black was much more consistent and had a bigger influence over games. And that's why he had 68 more Brownlow votes over his career. That is a monstrous difference.
And before you start saying, 'oh but he had to compete with Ablett, Corey, Stevie J etc.', Black had to compete with Voss, Aker, Lappin, Power and Brown.
The way I remember it is Bartel played majority midfield from from 2004 onwards. And definitely in his Brownlow year from 2007 onwards. He never played purely forward. in bartels first 9 years, he averaged 0.5 goals per game.In his last 7 years I think you'll find Bartel rarely if ever played in the midfield. It started in the 2009 GF. He was either a HBF or playing forward, and as we all know only midfielders poll votes. That's why its unfair to compare Bartel with Black. Comparing Bartel with, say, Hodge is more appropriate. Both started as midfielders and then moved into different roles.
Well you recall different to reality. Bartel won his Brownlow as a midfielder, but he spent a fair whack on the HBF post 2010 and he won his Norm Smith in 2011 as a forward. As you pointed out in your post earlier Cats had Ablett (until 2010), Corey, Ling, Duncan, Selwood, Stevie J, and Kelly in the midfieldThe way I remember it is Bartel played majority midfield from from 2004 onwards. And definitely in his Brownlow year from 2007 onwards. He never played purely forward. in barrels first 9 years, he averaged 0.5 goals per game.
I think you love to say forward when it suits and midfield when it suits. if Bartel was forward, he was a half forward that pushed right into the middle like Josh Dunkley does today.Well you recall different to reality. Bartel won his Brownlow as a midfielder, but he spent a fair whack on the HBF post 2010 and he won his Norm Smith in 2011 as a forward. As you pointed out in your post earlier Cats had Ablett (until 2010), Corey, Ling, Duncan, Selwood, Stevie J, and Kelly in the midfield
Whatever! I think you love to be argumentativeI think you love to say forward when it suits and midfield when it suits. if Bartel was forward, he was a half forward that pushed right into the middle like Josh Dunkley does today.
if Bartel played forward, then how come he didn't kick goals?Whatever! I think you love to be argumentative
He played HBF too. Why are you making such a fuss? Anyone would think you think you know better. Jimmy Bartel was a midfielder for about 4 years and then became a true utility, playing HBF and forward. We didn’t need him in the midfield, particular given how strong an overhead mark he was.if Bartel played forward, then how come he didn't kick goals?
Jimmy Bartel | ||
Last played for Geelong in 2016 | ||
Born | : | December 4, 1983 |
Playing Height | : | 187cm |
Playing Weight | : | 87kg |
Position | : | Defender, Midfield |