List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft Discussion

[Scorpus]

Our draft haul:

Pick 17 - Max Michalanney (matched F/S)
Pick 43 - Billy Dowling
Pick 50 - Hugh Bond

Rookie Pick 5 - Andrew McPherson

36

Andrew Mcpherson

Age

26

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

3star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.5

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

4star

MG

118.5

2star

(re-listed)
Rookie Pick 21 - Paul Seedsman

11

Paul Seedsman

Age

33

Ht

190cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

10.7

4star

HB

7.6

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.5

4star

D

15.8

4star

K

8.2

3star

HB

7.6

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

14.0

5star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.4

4star

(re-listed)

 

[rabidcrow]

And you know that Gold Coast Suns would have rolled over because it was you not Justin in the room....yeah right.

In fairness on this - it wasn’t Gold Coast rolling over. It was Geelong accepting a future first rounder. We could still have swapped GC 5 and had 7. Gold Coast would have been no worse off. We could also have thrown them a 3rd rounder for next year points if we wanted to push the deal harder.

Our interest in Phillipou and our actions don’t quite add up - the above proposal isn’t on face value a major challenge to tie the deals together. Reid achieved more complex trades to get Dawson for scraps.

I believe the various posters on here that have added valuable intel on the discussion.

It just seems there’s a piece missing to make sense of it


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[rabidcrow]

As for posters sharing intel and getting mocked, you’ve been guilty of that in the past, this time you’ve got some intel and it’s, let’s protect the poster.

I shared we weren’t getting pick 2 for Crouch and I’m pretty sure you jumped in on the pile on and I was right.

Was that intel or gut feel? Even the club appeared surprised they didn’t.


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[rabidcrow]

The priority for Rankine was not fluff and never was as TAFKATMS I'm sure has mentioned.

People that have genuine Intel however small will become more and more reluctant to share on here will be the outcome.

I could have posted that we had shown very genuine interest in High Bond quite late in the piece though with the draft hand we held I was doubtful how we would nab him.

I'm not bullshitting because I shared it with Jeffcrowe and Danger in Texas at the time.

Can certainly vouch for the Bond info. Hadn’t even heard of him until you raised his name a few weeks before the draft.

And the club publicly stated a few times that Rankine was the priority - just appeared there were options to achieve both goals and keep GC happy. The only conclusion appears we weren’t convinced on Phillipou until quite late in the piece - and by then we had fired our best shots


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[Jeffcrowe]

Can certainly vouch for the Bond info. Hadn’t even heard of him until you raised his name a few weeks before the draft.

And the club publicly stated a few times that Rankine was the priority - just appeared there were options to achieve both goals and keep GC happy. The only conclusion appears we weren’t convinced on Phillipou until quite late in the piece - and by then we had fired our best shots


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Yep agree .. it wasn’t until after trade period and pick swap period we got serious into Phillipou and that was too late

Mismanaged IMO

 

[George CantStandYa]

Was that intel or gut feel? Even the club appeared surprised they didn’t.


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Intel and they weren’t

 

[Mutineer]

Can certainly vouch for the Bond info. Hadn’t even heard of him until you raised his name a few weeks before the draft.

And the club publicly stated a few times that Rankine was the priority - just appeared there were options to achieve both goals and keep GC happy. The only conclusion appears we weren’t convinced on Phillipou until quite late in the piece - and by then we had fired our best shots


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Yeah I forgot I shared it with you mid October. My bad.

 

[George CantStandYa]

How you going with that positively sure ?

I can't recall ever saying that so I thought you might be able to jog my memory?

Settle down tiger, been a busy day and about to board a flight.

I’ll let you know on the weekend

 

[cleanhands]

Settle down tiger, been a busy day and about to board a flight.

I’ll let you know on the weekend

Holiday?

 

[George CantStandYa]

Holiday?

Yep, way home unfortunately

 

[Carmo]

In fairness on this - it wasn’t Gold Coast rolling over. It was Geelong accepting a future first rounder. We could still have swapped GC 5 and had 7. Gold Coast would have been no worse off. We could also have thrown them a 3rd rounder for next year points if we wanted to push the deal harder.

Our interest in Phillipou and our actions don’t quite add up - the above proposal isn’t on face value a major challenge to tie the deals together. Reid achieved more complex trades to get Dawson for scraps.

I believe the various posters on here that have added valuable intel on the discussion.

It just seems there’s a piece missing to make sense of it


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Yer, there is.
You can't even begin to evaluate the clubs actions until the end of next draft.
There is obviously some talent in next years draft as well. Quite a few argue a level more than this years.

For those arguing about Port's aggressive style at getting players, they might have got Phillipou this year, but what would they miss out on next year? They might bring the next years after first round too, but then what do they miss out on the year after, and so on and so on? At some point there's a cost.

We've previously been a club that liked being one that had a few extra picks and was patient with them to get extras when clubs traded for them. I think with Dawson and Rankine coming in, that's forced us to use up the bit of extra credit we had but I think we'd like to get back to being in that position.

Next year, retaining our own first round, plus two early second rounders, plus our ability to trade out our 2024 first puts us in a good position to trade right up to get a very high pick in a better draft. Then there's also the fact that Port will be out of the market for the South Australian kids again, leaving us with free choice at a couple of them.

We're willing to pay up but we are very conscious of what it will cost us down the track and set limits. I still think Essendon were stupid not to take our offer for two good picks in a better draft. People are already laughing at North for ignoring our offer now. I hope Essendon (and possibly even St Kilda) also end up a bit of a laughing stock for doing the same, but it'll be three to five years before that becomes obvious but it never hurts to plant seeds.

 

[George CantStandYa]

Yer, there is.
You can't even begin to evaluate the clubs actions until the end of next draft.
There is obviously some talent in next years draft as well. Quite a few argue a level more than this years.

For those arguing about Port's aggressive style at getting players, they might have got Phillipou this year, but what would they miss out on next year? They might bring the next years after first round too, but then what do they miss out on the year after, and so on and so on? At some point there's a cost.

We've previously been a club that liked being one that had a few extra picks and was patient with them to get extras when clubs traded for them. I think with Dawson and Rankine coming in, that's forced us to use up the bit of extra credit we had but I think we'd like to get back to being in that position.

Next year, retaining our own first round, plus two early second rounders, plus our ability to trade out our 2024 first puts us in a good position to trade right up to get a very high pick in a better draft. Then there's also the fact that Port will be out of the market for the South Australian kids again, leaving us with free choice at a couple of them.

We're willing to pay up but we are very conscious of what it will cost us down the track and set limits. I still think Essendon were stupid not to take our offer for two good picks in a better draft. People are already laughing at North for ignoring our offer now. I hope Essendon (and possibly even St Kilda) also end up a bit of a laughing stock for doing the same, but it'll be three to five years before that becomes obvious but it never hurts to plant seeds.

Essendon will only be laughed at if Tsatsis ends up a dud and we finish near the bottom next year.

You have to remember though we did offer up our first next year at least so the club was prepared to forgo a future pick to land Phillipou now.

 

[1970crow]

I’d suggest you read the article again …… with other clubs it mentions the exact offer on the night and with us it mentions a future 1st rounder being part of the discussion but doesn’t mention the exact offer

You’ve been miles off the whole time and are now nitpicking in a lame attempt to cover yourself but it’s not working

Kristof needs to believe that the 5 we paid for Rankine had no value in this draft. He had to build a house of cards to back the club in after stating that paying near 5 for Rankine would be sheer incompetence. It all flowsfrom having to rationalise that into somehow being a genius move. Us wanting to trade back into this draft collapses his house of cards.

 

[George CantStandYa]

How you going with that positively sure ?

I can't recall ever saying that so I thought you might be able to jog my memory?

Have to apologise, it was Hey Shorty.

Sorry ol mate

 

[1970crow]

Pick 14 is optimistic - are you drinking the kool aid too?

i expect them to finish top 6. Draw matters, but they'll have an easier one this yest you'd think.

 

[George CantStandYa]

i expect them to finish top 6. Draw matters, but they'll have an easier one this yest you'd think.

They’ve got a real tough draw. First 5 games include us are Brisbane and Bulldogs at home and Pies and Richmond or Geelong away.

Double ups are Geelong, Richmond, Pies, Bulldogs, Essendon and us

 

[1970crow]

In fairness on this - it wasn’t Gold Coast rolling over. It was Geelong accepting a future first rounder. We could still have swapped GC 5 and had 7. Gold Coast would have been no worse off. We could also have thrown them a 3rd rounder for next year points if we wanted to push the deal harder.

Our interest in Phillipou and our actions don’t quite add up - the above proposal isn’t on face value a major challenge to tie the deals together. Reid achieved more complex trades to get Dawson for scraps.

I believe the various posters on here that have added valuable intel on the discussion.

It just seems there’s a piece missing to make sense of it


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The missing piece I expect is that GC demanded 5 and for whatever reason we weren't prepared or able to negotiate hard. We 100% gst Rankine at 5 in the main draft, why we couldn't leverage that to get something back from the Suns is a mystery. Which is strange considering we tried to trade out all our 3 first rounders for JHF the previous year whilst negotiating with Swans for Dawson. Absolute chalk and cheese approaches.

 

[1970crow]

Yep agree .. it wasn’t until after trade period and pick swap period we got serious into Phillipou and that was too late

Mismanaged IMO

that can't be right. What else are talent ID people doing if not concentrating on players available to us, especially SA lads that present as providing something of desperate need. If we only came to the idea of Phillipou late, then they all need to go.

 

[1970crow]

They’ve got a real tough draw. First 5 games include us are Brisbane and Bulldogs at home and Pies and Richmond or Geelong away.

Double ups are Geelong, Richmond, Pies, Bulldogs, Essendon and us

that's a rough set of double ups given their 2022 result.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

that can't be right. What else are talent ID people doing if not concentrating on players available to us, especially SA lads that present as providing something of desperate need. If we only came to the idea of Phillipou late, then they all need to go.

You forget that all clubs head recruiters and main recruiters are melb based and Melb centric

Still think you’re prob correct though

 

[George CantStandYa]

that's a rough set of double ups given their 2022 result.

And a tough start, start badly and the pressure will be right on

 

[Golumless]

You forget that all clubs head recruiters and main recruiters are melb based and Melb centric

Still think you’re prob correct though

That wouldn't make a difference. After all, it's not like Phillipou came out of the clouds late.

I do wonder if we offer a 1st and a 2nd if we thought Essendon would accept it, because when push came to shove with Rankine, we didn't care about Phillipou. Ditto 3 firsts for JHF last year.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

That wouldn't make a difference. After all, it's not like Phillipou came out of the clouds late.

I do wonder if we offer a 1st and a 2nd if we thought Essendon would accept it, because when push came to shove with Rankine, we didn't care about Phillipou. Ditto 3 firsts for JHF last year.

We offered a top 10 pick maybe top 5 in a super draft for him

I reckon we cared we just hashed it

 

[Golumless]

We offered a top 10 pick maybe top 5 in a super draft for him

I reckon we cared we just hashed it

I doubt it, seeing how we didn't care to retain our first in the Rankine deal, and Phillipou would have been a known quantity at that point. I suspect this is just the equivalent of us offering Martin a godfather deal years ago. Doing just enough to say we tried as some PR management.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I doubt it, seeing how we didn't care to retain our first in the Rankine deal, and Phillipou would have been a known quantity at that point. I suspect this is just the equivalent of us offering Martin a godfather deal years ago. Doing just enough to say we tried as some PR management.

Maybe

Can’t have it both ways though as some people think that no one would trade out of a very good draft , almost a super draft next year , especially with a potential top 5-10 pick

So we either rated him very highly or the very good draft isn’t a thing …I’d say it’s the former

 

[Mostyn]

Maybe

Can’t have it both ways though as some people think that no one would trade out of a very good draft , almost a super draft next year , especially with a potential top 5-10 pick

So we either rated him very highly or the very good draft isn’t a thing …I’d say it’s the former

Who traded out of the super draft next year?

No one would trade out of the super draft? Well, no one did, so I guess that's true.

This year - most of the early picks changed hands. That never happens.

The talk from Twomey was that we offered our future first for a pick for Humphrey or Phillipou. No comment on whether we may have expected something else included. Certainly no suggestion from him that we offered more than the pick.

Just a rumour that we had a gentle nibble at maybe getting Phillipou if someone responded at our price - no doubt so we can keep an iron in the first for the future.