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Fadge said:
Really?

There's a Greta equivalent for the 'Deniers'?

Who would that be?
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The majority of the Murdoch media in this country, l guess we can highlight Sky News after Dark. Literally anyone with a science sounding degree who deny its existence.

It's the same as the Covid craziess, find a baseless claim, regurgitate it ad nauseam.

Mind you, the mere fact so many people get upset with a teenage girl from Germany has to be one of the funniest things this century. Snowflakes the lot of them.
 
Cap said:
The video is a poor man's Jonathan Pie rant.

Like your post, it doesn't actually have anything capable of being discredited. It's just a bunch of stereotypes and hyperbole

The purpose of the video is to give joy to people who have made their anti climate change views part of their belief system. It appears to do that well.
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I don't think there is much purpose to the video apart from saying:
  • 'Stop complaining and start solving, attention is not required it is already there'
  • 'Stop labelling us as rwnjs wishing harm, labelling achieves nothing'
That's the purpose of this blokes rant, agreed it's deliberately provocative and therefore counter constructive imv.

Regardless, those points are still there and because it's deliberately provocative, his target audience, in his poorly chosen pejorative the 'woke' (not to mention hypocritical re 'labelling').

Then of course his target will not actually hear the valid points.

EDIT: I didn't know who Jonathan Pie was, so I looked it up.

Yeah seen that bloke before, nothing but click bait for the stupid and outraged.
 
Fadge said:
Really?

There's a Greta equivalent for the 'Deniers'?

Who would that be?
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Cap said:
The majority of the Murdoch media in this country, l guess we can highlight Sky News after Dark. Literally anyone with a science sounding degree who deny its existence.

It's the same as the Covid craziess, find a baseless claim, regurgitate it ad nauseam.

Mind you, the mere fact so many people get upset with a teenage girl from Germany has to be one of the funniest things this century. Snowflakes the lot of them.
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Good thing murdoch mind slaves, covid crazies, and greta botherers are very much a minority.

Good thing also most people hear about Greta and go 'meh'.

Good thing also that the people that believe the media's narrative that Greta does upset the majority of the populace are also very much a minority.
 

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Carringbush2010 said:
Good thing murdoch mind slaves, covid crazies, and greta botherers are very much a minority.

Good thing also most people hear about Greta and go 'meh'.

Good thing also that the people that believe the media's narrative that Greta does upset the majority of the populace are also very much a minority.
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You probably are right, she's just a bit of a side show to most you'd think.

I never said it was the majority though, that's the point, it's a certain demographic that seem to be triggered the most. Hence the amusement
 
Cap said:
You probably are right, she's just a bit of a side show to most you'd think.

I never said it was the majority though, that's the point, it's a certain demographic that seem to be triggered the most. Hence the amusement
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Yeah I think we're totes in agreement Cap, I'm going to assume that you'd also find people gluing themselves to roads equally amusing, or throwing soup, or some other infantile action, I know I do.
 
Carringbush2010 said:
I've seen this posted on more than one thread.

It is interesting the differing shall we say evaluations of what was said in this video.

This guy is very blunt in what he says, none the less some very salient points.
  • *Screaming at the world by throwing soup at paintings achieves zero, one could confidently argue would be even counterproductive.
  • Without actually spelling it out, we don't have the technology to scale to make the changes that we need. Blunt but reality none the less.
  • People regardless of their status will always put their own before the planet. Colour me surprised on that one, who would've thought.
  • *Working to solutions to the problems instead of being angry at the world in the hope of attention. Attention is already abound and in abundance plenty, wasting soup or spray painting woodside logos on paintings is counter productive - that is not up for debate when you think about it.
So throwing a line like 'this is what happens when ya don't eat ya veg' is an immediate discredit, or counter productivity if you will.

I'll concede that the blunt delivery of this blokes sermon does not help, in fact is probably counter productive or even somewhat discrediting to his shall we say 'argument'.

Regardless, the points remain, in a nutshell, unless you can get the whole 8.5 billion people to buy in on a strategy to combat climate change (which arguably isn't even available yet) then the current methods of attention grabbing is futile because

a) The attention is already there, unless one lives on mars.

b) The solution/s is/are not available yet, and yelling at clouds willing for change is, well, futile.
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Triggering sad little men is hardly futile. In fact, it's my hobby.

Can you provide a link to where this was posted in multiple threads?
 
Carringbush2010 said:
Yeah I think we're totes in agreement Cap, I'm going to assume that you'd also find people gluing themselves to roads equally amusing, or throwing soup, or some other infantile action, I know I do.
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Those things don't seem to trigger the same type of people, so it's less amusing.

They are annoying but I'm largely indifferent, we have the right to protest and laws for if they step over them.
 
Greta Thunberg said:
Triggering sad little men is hardly futile. In fact, it's my hobby.

Can you provide a link to where this was posted in multiple threads?
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Triggering sad little men maybe amusing to you, but is futile to our cause Greta.

As for the link, can't remember but I have seen it posted in another recently.
 
Cap said:
Those things don't seem to trigger the same type of people, so it's less amusing.

They are annoying but I'm largely indifferent, we have the right to protest and laws for if they step over them.
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Anyone triggered by soup throwing or angry Gretas are not worth the attention.

Of course, anyone has the right to protest, protest gains attention.

Attention on climate change is not needed, it is in abundance.
 
Carringbush2010 said:
Anyone triggered by soup throwing or angry Gretas are not worth the attention.

Of course, anyone has the right to protest, protest gains attention.

Attention on climate change is not needed, it is in abundance.
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Does it though? I think a lot of people don't really understand the issue

Human nature to ignore an issue unless it's impacting you directly ( and you aren't convinced by other actors it's not really happening)
 
Cap said:
Does it though? I think a lot of people don't really understand the issue

Human nature to ignore an issue unless it's impacting you directly ( and you aren't convinced by other actors it's not really happening)
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Of course it garners attention, it's plastered all over msm, there's conventions with world leaders conversing on how to fix it, if that ain't attention I don't know what is.

Agreed, human nature ignores unless it's self interest, that doesn't equate to the attention isn't there.

Attention isn't the issue, the issue is human kind is not doing enough to combat climate change.
 
Carringbush2010 said:
Of course it garners attention, it's plastered all over msm, there's conventions with world leaders conversing on how to fix it, if that ain't attention I don't know what is.

Agreed, human nature ignores unless it's self interest, that doesn't equate to the attention isn't there.

Attention isn't the issue, the issue is human kind is not doing enough to combat climate change.
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That's the point of the protests isn't t? To lobby out enough isn't being done.

So if enough isn't being done, you have to wonder if there is enough attention.

If there were, politicians would be doing more, then you'd have less protests.

Or I'm creating a circular argument 🤣
 

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Cap said:
That's the point of the protests isn't t? To lobby out enough isn't being done.

So if enough isn't being done, you have to wonder if there is enough attention.

If there were, politicians would be doing more, then you'd have less protests.

Or I'm creating a circular argument 🤣
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Of course there's enough attention, no one can escape it, every dog and its bowl is aware.

Everyone is also aware nowhere enough is being done, protesting isn't making the pollies do enough as they should.
 

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adogsfan5 said:
😂 I’m not even going to bother arguing with that one. You know what the difference is.
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Lets say that Ryan Gosling spray painted (or threw soup) on a piece of clear perspex that was installed over a fancy painting.

Would that be ok for this movie scenario, as opposed to a protest?
 

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