NO TROLLS Hawthorn Racism Review - Sensitive issues discussed. Part 2

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Link to Hawthorn Statement. - Link to ABC Sports article. - Leaked Report

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[ferball]

I think it's relevant. It talks to his character and whether you believe that he did what all those people said he did.

In his mind, in the context of protecting his players, their reputations and the club, I don't think there's much he wouldn't do. That's his problem. He's practically admitting that he can't guarantee he won't over-step the line.

He needs to learn that these are adults who can look after themselves. He doesn't need to cross the line to protect them from reporters or pregnant partners.

What line?

 

[ferball]

Your time will come

So will yours.

Hopefully not for another six or seven thousand days.

 

[FlyHigh18]

His submission will be a response to allegations against him. Any documents that support his version of events will strengthen his submission.

Its not just a matter of him telling his version of events. He needs to support his version with as much evidence as he can muster.

Complete guess but I reckon he’s asked for all his emails.

If he already knows there’s nothing there he’ll want it. Would also give reason to the delay. Recovering that crap from someone’s login takes forever. Especially if they’re reading it all before handing it over

 

[ferball]

I doubt he meant that he would threaten people in the same way:

“You’d think with the experience that you would (act differently), and I’d like to be able to say I will continue to learn my lessons, but this has been with me ever since I was a kid; if I see something unjust or untoward, I’ll defend,” he said.

“And I saw something that was unjust and untoward, and I felt like I needed to defend our players and our staff - and I can’t give a guarantee that I won’t do that again in the future, because I think that’s important.

He's a football coach, not a moral arbier.

This is a thread about Hawthorn's racism.

Right or wrong he's the face of that and yet here he is giving support to a young indigenous player who has ****ed up and you lot are still piling in on him.

It's obvious that whatever response he made he'd still cop shit for it.

And the "No Trolls" tag on this thread is an obvious piss take.

Mods would you at least have the decency to remove it.

 

[the big lebowski]

I’m very surprised it’s taken this long to get to where they are.

The article indicated that none of the accused had have spoken to the panel. Seems strange to me.

Edit: I would imagine the hold up could be the legalities of hawthorn releasing medical/personal info on players due to privacy.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

... and yet here he is giving support to a young indigenous player who has ****ed up and you lot are still piling in on him.

Why do footy people think that supporting someone has to involve attacking someone else?


This is why this very recent development in regards to his behaviour is relevant to the bigger allegations. It demonstrates that he has a very misguided sense of what it means to protect someone, and that's he unable to see that what he sees as normal and justified behaviour, isn't to most other people.

 

[Rob R]

Actually it does peak my interest as to why he requires documents from another entity before he engages with an AFL, er independent investigation?

Surely he believes in his position so why not just get up and tell the truth?

Guessing since there are claims that emails exist to support the allegations that he was not privvy to, he wants to see them (and anyother ones of relevance) given he has been denied the right to cross examine the claimants (both sides have which makes the inquiry a farce)

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[Lavender Bushranger]

Guessing since there are claims that emails exist to support the allegations that he was not privvy to, he wants to see them (and anyother ones of relevance) given he has been denied the right to cross examine the claimants (both sides have which makes the inquiry a farce)

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Isn't it strange that they haven't done preliminary interviews to at least gauge where everyone stands?

Weird that there's zero engagement other than a submission?

 

[Rob R]

Isn't it strange that they haven't done preliminary interviews to at least gauge where everyone stands?

Weird that there's zero engagement other than a submission?

It feels like they have reached an oh crap moment where there is a big difference between sides but they can't use the type of questioning needed to test the various claims.

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[ferball]

Why do footy people think that supporting someone has to involve attacking someone else?


This is why this very recent development in regards to his behaviour is relevant to the bigger allegations. It demonstrates that he has a very misguided sense of what it means to protect someone, and that's he unable to see that what he sees as normal and justified behaviour, isn't to most other people.

Have you seen the video?

She was at training following players off the field, down the players race, continuing to ask Thomas the same questions he'd already answered (or not answered with a "No Comment".)

Clarkson basically told her to piss off then went and apologised in person later that day. This happened weeks ago and you lot are crapping on about it in a thread about his former club's systemic racism as if he never apologised off his own bat and reflected on his own behaviour. Trying to come up with bullshit justifications like the one in bold for bringing it up. he's probably showed more self awareness than the people posting in this thread.

Clarkson's a football coach. Its his job to prepare young men to play a violent contact sport. He's not Jesus.

There is a reporter at the ground badgering his players during training. The reporter shouldn't be there. Who the **** do they think they are walking around a footy club's training like they own the joint? They can wait until the players finish training and are leaving the site and then harass Thomas about his behaviour instead of disrupting everyone else's situation as well (that would have served him right.) Instead this entitled ****wit thinks she can walk around someone else's place - a footy club where professional athletes are doing their jobs - effectively badgering them all while they are working.

There are clearly two standards here on this thread - one for the footy players and another for reporters.

Sure Clarkson was rude but so was the reporter.

This thread is sposed to be about racism yet when Thomas - an indigenous player - is planning to return to the club his actions are referred to as "plotting" in the media. This sort of language is how racism works. No one described De Goey's actions as "plotting" last year. Criminals plot things. Plotting is an intrinsically bad thing that super villains do.

Its hard to take any of you people seriously about this.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Clarkson's a football coach. Its his job to prepare young men to play a violent contact sport. He's not Jesus.

I don't disagree with this at all.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

The reporter used aggressive tactics and couldn't take it when same was applied in turn.

“She had it coming”.

 

[ferball]

“She had it coming”.

That's right. She was violently abused by someone who was unrepentant and did nothing to sort out the situation afterward.

 

[perplexed]

Why do footy people think that supporting someone has to involve attacking someone else?


This is why this very recent development in regards to his behaviour is relevant to the bigger allegations. It demonstrates that he has a very misguided sense of what it means to protect someone, and that's he unable to see that what he sees as normal and justified behaviour, isn't to most other people.

You find one of his behaviours abnormal therefore he is more likely to be guilty of these totally different and unrelated acts. This is witch trial thinking.

 

[faible]

North supporters need to be charging the club for all the time they're putting in to damage control over Clarko.

 

[ferball]

I don't disagree with this at all.

So lets get back to this:

It demonstrates that he has a very misguided sense of what it means to protect someone, and that's he unable to see that what he sees as normal and justified behaviour, isn't to most other people.

Being a professional football coach for a living isn't a normal form of behaviour. Its a highly unusual position requiring different skills and talents to most other roles in society.

What you might consider unjustified and not normal is something his players love and appreciate, as evidenced by Jordan Lewis' recent interview.

 

[ferball]

North supporters need to be charging the club for all the time they're putting in to damage control over Clarko.

This is a thread about systemic racism at Hawthorn, there is a sticky post at the top of the thread asking people not to troll North yet here you are.

 

[faible]

This is a thread about systemic racism at Hawthorn, there is a sticky post at the top of the thread asking people not to troll North yet here you are.

Am I trolling North? I've pretty consistently said it's a shitty position for North supporters to be in where through no fault of their own, they're facing the proposition of the coach they've hired being investigated for pretty heinous acts.

What I am commenting about is that a number of North supporters in this thread are continually trying to obfuscate and diminish every shitty thing Clarko does.

That's not trolling North at all. But if you're going to sit here and defend everything the angry little man does because he can coach a football team then people are free to comment about it.

 

[perplexed]

Am I trolling North? I've pretty consistently said it's a shitty position for North supporters to be in where through no fault of their own, they're facing the proposition of the coach they've hired being investigated for pretty heinous acts.

What I am commenting about is that a number of North supporters in this thread are continually trying to obfuscate and diminish every shitty thing Clarko does.

That's not trolling North at all. But if you're going to sit here and defend everything the angry little man does because he can coach a football team then people are free to comment about it.

This isn't a thread about Clarkson or North. It is about allegations of systemic racism at Hawthorn. The constant need others have to bring irrelevant Clarkson and North stuff into this thread is trolling. It diminishes and distracts from the seriousness of the allegations. Those doing it don't give a toss about the actual allegations or those making them, they want a scalp.

 

[Saucery]

Still don't see how the some documents from Hawthorn prevents his interviewing and answering some questions?

It's not a legal trial and most of the accusations relate to conversations, not emails.

Is he the only one or are the others waiting for such things?

For someone who wanted this over fast he sure is dragging the chain.

 

[faible]

This isn't a thread about Clarkson or North. It is about allegations of systemic racism at Hawthorn. The constant need others have to bring irrelevant Clarkson and North stuff into this thread is trolling. It diminishes and distracts from the seriousness of the allegations. Those doing it don't give a toss about the actual allegations or those making them, they want a scalp.

You don't see how bringing up things Clarkson has done in a thread that is at least partially about other things Clarkson has done is relevant?

Amazing how much North supporters are desperate to control the narrative.... 'no no don't talk about that, it should be all about HAWTHORN not the guy who was head coach that has been named in most of the allegations'.

There's a reason very specific parties have been named, and (far be it from me to defend Hawthorn) that's likely because it wasn't a club-wide Hawthorn policy, but because a small group of senior club staff took it upon themselves to win at all costs.

 

[Beerfish]

The constant need others have to bring irrelevant Clarkson and North stuff into this thread is trolling.

I think most people who aren't North supporters think it's pretty relevant.

 

[perplexed]

I think most people who aren't North supporters think it's pretty relevant.

I seriously doubt that. I think many would like it to pretend that it is relevant and are making up low-bowed justifications so they can take pot shots. There are plenty of other threads to troll North in, this shouldn't be one.

 

[Beerfish]

I seriously doubt that. I think many would like it to pretend that it is relevant and are making up low-bowed justifications so they can take pot shots. There are plenty of other threads to troll North in, this shouldn't be one.

Every misstep he makes is relevant. He just happens to be doing it at your club now instead of Hawthorn.

 

[perplexed]

Every misstep he makes is relevant. He just happens to be doing it at your club now instead of Hawthorn.

Oh yes. Presumably every correct step too then. Should we now clog up the thread with a whole lot of puff pieces too? Here is today's irrelevant fluff to start you off.

Inner North: Leadership

Following the AFL side's journey under new senior coach Alastair Clarkson, the first episode of Inner North focuses on the leadership group vote and brings you inside the meetings where the historic co-captaincy model was decided

www.nmfc.com.au

Clarko pens letter to Tasmanian fans as tickets go on sale

North Melbourne senior coach Alastair Clarkson has penned a letter to Tasmanian AFL fans as tickets go on sale for the Kangaroos' first two matches at Blundstone Arena

www.nmfc.com.au