Non-Lions discussion 2023

[JasRulz63]

It's an interesting one. The umpires usually take a few seconds to play deliberate, usually because they're running in with a dramatic gesture (with Billy Bowden-esc enthusiasm). But if the umpire hadn't had time to do that before the siren went, I assume a free kick isn't paid?

 

[Hollow Knight]

It's an interesting one. The umpires usually take a few seconds to play deliberate, usually because they're running in with a dramatic gesture (with Billy Bowden-esc enthusiasm). But if the umpire hadn't had time to do that before the siren went, I assume a free kick isn't paid?

Yeah again I don't know what the rule book says, but the ball was out before the siren went and therefore it seems only fair that a decision on deliberate should be made, even if the siren goes before the umpires can signal.

If it went out of bounds on the full I wonder if they would have applied the same logic?

 

[Tom14]

Yeah again I don't know what the rule book says, but the ball was out before the siren went and therefore it seems only fair that a decision on deliberate should be made, even if the siren goes before the umpires can signal.

If it went out of bounds on the full I wonder if they would have applied the same logic?

Looking forward to an incredible explanation on how umpires interpret time tomorrow. Content league!

 

[JasRulz63]

Yeah again I don't know what the rule book says, but the ball was out before the siren went and therefore a decision on deliberate should be made, even if the siren goes before the umpires can signal.

I think the rules agree with you (only time it seems this isn't the case is OOTF).

 

[luthor]

North very lucky. Not sure exactly what the rule book says but I feel Freo should have got a free kick for that deliberate.

Not sure either.

But the umpire seemed to be saying that the siren went before the ball crossed the line.

If that is in fact the rule, then I think it was the right call

 

[Hollow Knight]

Not sure either.

But the umpire seemed to be saying that the siren went before the ball crossed the line.

If that is in fact the rule, then I think it was the right call

Yeah I'd be okay with that, but I am not sure that is what actually happened.

 

[BuntonRules]

Who cares? Footscray lost

 

[BRAB]

If I was a Freo fan I’d be raging

 

[HereIGoAgain]

The umps had as much of a clue about that as the rest of us. Completely baffled.

 

[dlanod]

If I was a Freo fan I’d be raging

Luckily we keep them all quarantined over the other side of the Nullarbor.

 

[Hollow Knight]

There is video now that shows the siren sounding before the ball crossed the line.

They got it right.

 

[MSB ROYS]

If I was a Freo fan I’d be raging

About not turning up for 3 quarters?

 

[Elixuh]

Nah. At no point were we really rebuilding. At best we were puttering along indifferent to our impotence. Rebuilding implies a degree of intent that was never present.

Yeah remember, from Wet n Wild to top 4. So 2010.

 

[rye]

the worst part about this for a freo supporter is their back end of the year is much, much harder than this early run....

 

[Big Sauce 21]

Siren went before ball goes out, you can tell just by looking at the closest freo player to the ball. Head goes back

 

[McIvor]

LDU has been fantastic.

HEs an incredble player. Seemed to start his career off slowly but last year I started taking notice and the first 2 games he just looks a beast. Him and Braysahw were from the same draft i think and both just look like theyll be champion players.

 

[McIvor]

North very lucky. Not sure exactly what the rule book says but I feel Freo should have got a free kick for that deliberate.

HAs there been a shift in what is being paid deliberate? We were flicking thru the 2 games and saw in a North player kick a ball out of the center square in early last goes off side of his boot and goes out about level with the half forward line with a north player closing in on the ball and they paid deliberate. Close to being last touch and it s a free. I am pleased for North nonetheless.

 

[Hollow Knight]

HAs there been a shift in what is being paid deliberate? We were flicking thru the 2 games and saw in a North player kick a ball out of the center square in early last goes off side of his boot and goes out about level with the half forward line with a north player closing in on the ball and they paid deliberate. Close to being last touch and it s a free. I am pleased for North nonetheless.

I think it falls under the "insufficient intent" benchmark they have been using the last couple of years. As I understand it, it means it doesn't have to be deliberate beyond all reasonable doubt, but that the player has to make a a visibly reasonable attempt to be keeping the ball in play or getting the ball to a teammate.

 

[McIvor]

I think it falls under the "insufficient intent" benchmark they have been using the last couple of years. As I understand it, it means it doesn't have to be deliberate beyond all reasonable doubt, but that the player has to make a a visibly reasonable attempt to be keeping the ball in play or getting the ball to a teammate.

Fair enough, they just seem very hot on it in the first 2 weeks or at least im noticing it more

 

[CarterS]

Jumped the gun a bit clearly but half way through the first when i posted it they were going goal for goal and they both looked great. Hindsight 20/20.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Ben Keays. Still frustrating to watch for me personally even though he’s at another club.

 

[Dalions]

Footy smarts like no other

 

[Section 5]

Another AFL controversy with North winning. They love this happening. No such thing as bad publicity i recon.
Gee North have been the whipping team for years now, let's give the umpires the benefit of the doubt and North a deserved win.
Umpires are told through their earpiece when siren goes. Viewers just have the TV countdown clock. So, who would know.

I have said many times over the years that fans and media always concentrate on the last play of the game in any controversy.
Human nature i suppose.
I am sure there were lots of other small incidents during the game, but we don't analyze them to death.
Looking at the score worm, North were in front the whole game.
Dockers playing at home v 2021/2022 wooden spooners so they should not have been in a close game to start with.
I doubt the Dockers coach would put this decision down to why they lost the game.

 

[HereIGoAgain]

A brave call for the Hawks to back Mitchell in with such a hard reset of their list. Mitchell showed enough last year that he could be a good coach. Would still rather be in their shoes than the likes of West Coast.

 

[briztoon]

A brave call for the Hawks to back Mitchell in with such a hard reset of their list. Mitchell showed enough last year that he could be a good coach. Would still rather be in their shoes than the likes of West Coast.

Hawks have traded out a fair bit of talent, without getting any decent picks for them.

Conversely, it looks like West Coast will keep their premiership players around and let them retire as they go.

Unless they trade in some top end talent, they both look like they’ll be long rebuilds, and they’re going to run in to Tassie’s draft concessions.