List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part I

[George]

 

[The Boar]

Think Sharman is structural. He's a third tall more than a KP. Allison is contracted. Still listed. I thought that was a list of our tall forwards. I'm not sure pretending that they don't exist makes them disappear.

The additions of Owens and Phillipou have hamstrung Sharman's chances as a forward.

All similar heights, 3rd tall forward-esque players with goal sense. But Owens and Phillipou are also dynamic mids.

Sharman no chance up forward behind King, Caminiti, Membrey, Owens, Phillipou.

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[St Neil]

Players qualify for restricted free agency after 7 full seasons (I think, official wording is the rather daft "Qualifying for restricted free agency means the players are entering their eighth or ninth seasons"), Bing was drafted in the 2018 draft so end of 2025. Awkwardly he's currently contracted until the end of 2024.

It would be interesting if he requested a trade at the end of this year. I think Gold Coast would have to do a deal.

He has re-signed twice. Stayed when others have left. They can’t accuse him of not being committed.

 

[BrutThough]

I reckon we were going to jettison guys like Hunter Clark and Gresham probably. Our good form has all of a sudden put a big pile of players on track for a pay rise. Wood, Ross, Higgins etc were looking like minimum chips again after last year. Now all would wan a bigger piece of the pie. Stocker and Byrnes would be expecting a big step up too.

I think you are over estimating any pay rise the likes of Stocker and Byrnes would get. Wood's contract wouldn't be significant enough - in pay or length - to need to ship off good players to afford it. Higgins would have come over on decent coin and I highly doubt after his year last year, anyone was budgeting for minimum wage for him.

Ross is also contracted for next year after triggering an extra year on his current deal.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

yes, it someone from the saints said it.

Lethers


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[Saintos The ITK]

Robbie was a 1 year rookie contract so it couldn't have been that. Though IIRC he wasn't well liked and they sent him off before the end of the season.

Came across a bit that way.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Robbie Young was taken in the national draft so he would’ve had a two year contract.

I stand corrected

 

[gringo2011]

I think you are over estimating any pay rise the likes of Stocker and Byrnes would get. Wood's contract wouldn't be significant enough - in pay or length - to need to ship off good players to afford it. Higgins would have come over on decent coin and I highly doubt after his year last year, anyone was budgeting for minimum wage for him.

Ross is also contracted for next year after triggering an extra year on his current deal.

I reckon Stocker and Byrnes would be on a the bare minimum. Both would be on the $100k minimum just about I reck both get $300k to $400k or something and probably only sign for 2 on that and hope for a bigger pay day after the next one. Even that is an extra $400 to $600k out of the pool.

 

[gringo2011]

Came across a bit that way.

I think someone on here said he wasn't well liked to justify it. Pretty ordinary to slander the guy.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Clubs get smashed by the AFLPA if they do. More likely to delist a player they want to keep that is out of contract. I spoke to someone in confidence that there was a player we wanted to keep but Kent was contracted so delisted the keeper. Happens all the time.

I think they were kind of regretful when they let Phillips go.
Not the greatest player but was a hard worker with a good attitude.
We let Phillips, Savage and Parker go, and Kent went on to play another 9 games over 2 years.

 

[ScrappyDo]

You'd say that anyone not playing is potentially on the chopping block and we have to delist around 6 but reckon he's too good to throw away myself. I'd probably suggest that Leo is up against it to sign on again. DMac might be cooked I reckon. Campbell if they take the bounce away, Jones could be unlucky to be injured at the wrong time. I think they are keen to off load Gresham just to free up cap space personally. Sharman is the end of next year as is Allison and nearly every other player we'd like to keep apart from King and a good portion of the kids.


We have heaps out of contract at the end of the year, I reckon Gags left a bit of a mess for SOS to clean up.

H Clark- pay rise or trade
Higgins- pay rise
DMac- delist or drop
Bytel- delist
Peris- probably delist
Gresham- trade or slight rise
Webster- probably 1 year on similar money
Connolly- delist most likely
Stocker- pay rise
Wood-pay rise
Coff- similar wage or drop. Potentially trade/delist
Byrnes- pay rise
Ross- pay rise
Campbell- delist or similar pay
Highmore- delist or similar
Jones- delist or drop

And apparently we haven't got as much room as you'd expect for where we are at. That's a lot of work for SOS to get done. Heaps will want a bigger pay day. Even guys like Ross got lowballed so will want reward for longevity and output.

up.

H Clark- pay rise or trade
Higgins- pay rise unlikely
DMac- delist or drop
Bytel- delist unlikely
Peris- probably delist unlikely
Gresham- trade or slight rise unlikely
Webster- probably 1 year on similar money
Connolly- delist most likely
Stocker- pay rise
Wood-pay rise
Coff- similar wage or drop. Potentially trade/delist
Byrnes- pay rise
Ross- pay rise unlikely
Campbell- delist or similar pay
Highmore- delist or similar
Jones- delist or drop

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

Assume Allison stays the delistees seem fairly self evident.

Highmore
Connelly
Dmac
Jones
Sharman

Personally I'd prefer keep Leo and Coops another season but if they can't get their numbers up by the end of the year then they probably have to go.
I'd add JB to that list giving roughly 5 players turnover which is the right number for us. Buggered if l know who we'd cut next year but that being a difficult exercise means the list is in good shape.

Allison, Campbell, Connolly, Highmore, Sharman
Dmac & Jones, if injuries are too chronic.
I thought this was Allison's final year on contract?

 

[ScrappyDo]

Allison, Campbell, Connolly, Highmore, Sharman
Dmac & Jones, if injuries are too chronic.
I thought this was Allison's final year on contract?

Allison has another year l believe, and there's no reason to cut Campbell unless there's a replacement. I think he stays if fit.
The others are the obvious pool.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Yeah we got the AFLPA pissed off about it. I think it was Robbie Young.

I was happy enough with that draft at the time but it leaves a stale beer taste in my mouth in retrospect.
Young was well out of his depth, and if we'd taken him as a Rookie, instead of Wilkie, there would have been no dilemma.
Why did we draft Hind, he pretty much did everything we could have expected, then we decided we didn't want him anyway. A bit like buying a little commuter car and then deciding it wasn't useful on the farm.
Same with Parker, he did what we could have expected.

 

[gringo2011]

up.

H Clark- pay rise or trade
Higgins- pay rise unlikely
DMac- delist or drop
Bytel- delist unlikely
Peris- probably delist unlikely
Gresham- trade or slight rise unlikely
Webster- probably 1 year on similar money
Connolly- delist most likely
Stocker- pay rise
Wood-pay rise
Coff- similar wage or drop. Potentially trade/delist
Byrnes- pay rise
Ross- pay rise unlikely
Campbell- delist or similar pay
Highmore- delist or similar
Jones- delist or drop

Apparently we are paying Ross unders after the last contract. Bytel is on the precipice. I hope he goes again but if he can't break through he's on his last chance. SAME WITH PERIS IMO.

Not sure what you are saying is unlikely on Gresham, clubs will offer big coin, we either let him walk or pay more or force a trade. Higgins will be asking for a raise for sure.

 

[gringo2011]

I was happy enough with that draft at the time but it leaves a stale beer taste in my mouth in retrospect.
Young was well out of his depth, and if we'd taken him as a Rookie, instead of Wilkie, there would have been no dilemma.
Why did we draft Hind, he pretty much did everything we could have expected, then we decided we didn't want him anyway. A bit like buying a little commuter car and then deciding it wasn't useful on the farm.
Same with Parker, he did what we could have expected.

Yep, that was a really weird direction. Topped up on GOPs and then got shocked when they were GOPs.

 

[gringo2011]

Allison has another year l believe, and there's no reason to cut Campbell unless there's a replacement. I think he stays if fit.
The others are the obvious pool.

It looks like Sharman does too.

 

[The Cobra]

You'd say that anyone not playing is potentially on the chopping block and we have to delist around 6 but reckon he's too good to throw away myself. I'd probably suggest that Leo is up against it to sign on again. DMac might be cooked I reckon. Campbell if they take the bounce away, Jones could be unlucky to be injured at the wrong time. I think they are keen to off load Gresham just to free up cap space personally. Sharman is the end of next year as is Allison and nearly every other player we'd like to keep apart from King and a good portion of the kids.


We have heaps out of contract at the end of the year, I reckon Gags left a bit of a mess for SOS to clean up.

H Clark- pay rise or trade
Higgins- pay rise
DMac- delist or drop
Bytel- delist
Peris- probably delist
Gresham- trade or slight rise
Webster- probably 1 year on similar money
Connolly- delist most likely
Stocker- pay rise
Wood-pay rise
Coff- similar wage or drop. Potentially trade/delist
Byrnes- pay rise
Ross- pay rise
Campbell- delist or similar pay
Highmore- delist or similar
Jones- delist or drop

And apparently we haven't got as much room as you'd expect for where we are at. That's a lot of work for SOS to get done. Heaps will want a bigger pay day. Even guys like Ross got lowballed so will want reward for longevity and output.

On the money - but would still like to keep Bytel (reckon he can play just needs opportunity), Clark (assuming his form holds) & definitely don’t want to lose Coff ( he can play, will be versatile & has worked hard on his body & looked good preseason - just needs some injury luck & to regain confidence).

Might still need Campbell for break glass!

Think Highmore can also play at the level but too many probably ahead of him now.

Difficult juggling act coming up plus they are probably looking at some from other clubs.

 

[gringo2011]

On the money - but would still like to keep Bytel (reckon he can play just needs opportunity), Clark (assuming his form holds) & definitely don’t want to lose Coff ( he can play, will be versatile & has worked hard on his body & looked good preseason - just needs some injury luck & to regain confidence).

Might still need Campbell for break glass!

Think Highmore can also play at the level but too many probably ahead of him now.

Difficult juggling act coming up plus they are probably looking at some from other clubs.

I'd keep them all but know that's not the reality. Probably 6 get turned over and some have to go. This year seems like a harder than usual one. Our depth looks a lot better these days.

 

[Joffaboy]

Where is the talk of Caminiti? 1 year minimum salary (85k) plus match payments (4k per match).
You would think he would get a pay rise.

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[Saintos The ITK]

I think someone on here said he wasn't well liked to justify it. Pretty ordinary to slander the guy.

Just a couple of things I saw I don’t think he was all that popular.

 

[Joffaboy]

Yep, that was a really weird direction. Topped up on GOPs and then got shocked when they were GOPs.

You are correct with those three, but I like to see it as a preseason trail, and then went and got Sharman, Heath, Wood, Stocker and Hanmer under similar circumstances.

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[SaintsSeptember]

Apparently we are paying Ross unders after the last contract. Bytel is on the precipice. I hope he goes again but if he can't break through he's on his last chance. SAME WITH PERIS IMO.

Not sure what you are saying is unlikely on Gresham, clubs will offer big coin, we either let him walk or pay more or force a trade. Higgins will be asking for a raise for sure.

Can Peris go a third year as a CatB? He can go a third year as a rookie, but i'm not sure about CatB.
If he can we are unlikely to find a better CatB candidate.

 

[gringo2011]

You are correct with those three, but I like to see it as a preseason trail, and then went and got Sharman, Heath, Wood, Stocker and Hanmer under similar circumstances.

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Most of those were midseason draft free hits on a true trial or picking up delisted free agents which were much more of a known quantity. We have some good gets but the national draft should be used on kids mostly.

We traded out pick 28 to down grade a couple of picks to give Melbourne James Jordan who played in their premiership side. Also traded Hickey out for picks. Bytel is still there but everyone else has been delisted. It wasn't their best draft apart from King. Luckily Lethlean stepped in although Rozee is looking pretty sharp right now too.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Heath was a young guy who missed the draft. Giving him a rookie spot wasn't anything out of the ordinary.

 

[hayes]

I was happy enough with that draft at the time but it leaves a stale beer taste in my mouth in retrospect.
Young was well out of his depth, and if we'd taken him as a Rookie, instead of Wilkie, there would have been no dilemma.
Why did we draft Hind, he pretty much did everything we could have expected, then we decided we didn't want him anyway. A bit like buying a little commuter car and then deciding it wasn't useful on the farm.
Same with Parker, he did what we could have expected.

It was strange to me that one year they decided we need lots of speed in the forward line but then not long after that they decided we didn’t need any. I was all for it at the time but like you said why did we recruit them all in the first place, real head scratcher.