Official Club Stuff BREAKING: Luke Sayers steps down effective immediately (Jan 22nd)!

[windows1]

Good post, but think you’re harsh on Austin, Windows.

I don’t mean to be too harsh. But the priority for the list was clearly pace and kicking. And he brought in multiple blokes who can’t kick. And are good endurance runners but no ‘pace’.

 

[Arr0w]

Keep waving that flag Arrow

Not waving any flag Passy. Maybe I should say keep looking at anything to blame.

Make it easy for you. Remove the whole board, who do you enlist and what do they do next

Fire away

 

[btdg]

So the new board member is tapped on the shoulder / appointed by the current board.

Not selected through a transparent process in any way, shape or form? Oh, they'll take 'counsel' from an Independent Committee or some other nonsense and then go right ahead and add one of their corporate cronies.

Gotcha. I guess we can't really expect anything to change or improve...

Edit: To be honest, if we are going to have a crook as a president, he could at least bring some of that true PWC style to Carlton. Can we get some insiders at AFL House working for us - perhaps they could give us 6 months early warning on upcoming rule changes so we can get a head start on our strategy/planning? Or even just some good old fashioned PWC 'accounting' with the salary cap?

 

[Arr0w]

So the new board member is tapped on the shoulder / appointed by the current board.

Not selected through a transparent process in any way, shape or form? Oh, they'll take 'counsel' from an Independent Committee or some other nonsense and then go right ahead and add one of their corporate cronies.

Gotcha. I guess we can't really expect anything to change or improve...

It's really easy

Give us 3 names you want to replace Matho

 

[Gez1969]

Well, this got even worse than I thought it could.
I think that there is nothing positive to serve by wielding more axes right now. I've been emotional and been highly critical of various leaders at the club.
If anything, sitting on our hands and letting the season play out now not only becomes the best option but rather the only sane option.

 

[btdg]

It's really easy

Give us 3 names you want to replace Matho

That's not how it works, or is it what I'm saying.

If I were to suggest 3 names, I would still want an open and transparent process, and possibly even (god forbid) an election.

If I was really pressed though, Old Dark Navies, Aphrodite or Jeremias? All seem to do a pretty good job as moderators...

 

[Aphrodite]

Obviously your rapt with the way things are being managed at the club to post that image.

Comparisons are to Richmond pre premiership are so wrong. Who do we have of the ilk of Brendan Gale?

Sent from my SM-N981B using Tapatalk

How do you know my thoughts & what I am thinking & where did I say I was rapt with the way things are being managed?

Question was posed & I posted that image.

 

[Jeremias]

That's not how it works, or is it what I'm saying.

If I were to suggest 3 names, I would still want an open and transparent process, and possibly even (god forbid) an election.

If I was really pressed though, Old Dark Navies, Aphrodite or Jeremias? All seem to do a pretty good job as moderators...

 

[Arr0w]

That's not how it works, or is it what I'm saying.

If I were to suggest 3 names, I would still want an open and transparent process, and possibly even (god forbid) an election.

If I was really pressed though, Old Dark Navies, Aphrodite or Jeremias? All seem to do a pretty good job as moderators...

Okay, that's fair. We then, as a supporter group, accept who the members voted in

Let's say that person is you, what next, what would you do to help/assist Sayers in driving on field output

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

You are still missing the point JP, like most supporters

Tiger supporters wanted blood at the end of 2016, board, coaching, fitness, players, et, etc.

Nothing changed at board level in terms of people (I could be wrong)

The changes have started at board level, but that isn't the key to change our onfield output, not ours, not any club

Just because their supporters aremorons didn't mean their board was. The board was strong and stable, they withstood a bunch of dumb dumbs. Ours isn't of that quality nor is it free of dumb dumbs

 

[Wickzki]

Just a reminder Carlton Respects criticism etc does Board and has crept back into a couple of posts.

Not a criticism here but just on Carlton Respects but rather something I thought was cool actually and commend the club on something positive during this rough run.

As I've posted before my partner works in DV. I found out last week that our Carlton Respects game (and the program itself) is genuinely considered a big event in.that industry - not just a 'cheap PR stunt' or 'social marketing stunt' that many have criticised it to be. It made her organisational newsletter. I haven't read it but she was so impressed by it.

It's not the first time that it's been featured at work and that details of how the program benefits state and national stakeholders is more significant than I (and I'm sure many others who have been critical) assumed.

So, in all seriousness, good work CFC during a time where the on field has been disappointing.

 

[btdg]

Okay, that's fair. We then, as a supporter group, accept who the members voted in

Let's say that person is you, what next, what would you do to help/assist Sayers in driving on field output

I think there is a whole thread for that! I put my thoights there...

 

[HarryFlashman]

Isn't it only an internal investigation being run by PWC at present? If so I wouldn't think he'd be bound to stay in the country let alone step down from anything particularly since he doesn't even work there any more.

No….Australian Federal Police (AFP) has launched a criminal investigation. They are so ****ed it’s not funny. With international repercussions as so many people were involved. 9 stood done so far, but the preliminary evidence is damning - heaps of internal emails (incl international counterparts) dozens of people knew about it & acted on it. Have a quick google it’s huge & ****ing disgraceful as it’s us they were ripping off.

 

[Forty3]

I have given a lot of thought to the core issues. It’s very important that we realise everything starts and therefore sheets back home to the Board. They initiate the decisions and put in motion the appointments that lead to other decisions. They also hold (or don’t) people accountable to their decisions and actions.

We (me included) rant on about SYMPTOMS. The core issue is the decisions that are made. Whether they work. How much leniency is given to errors. What is done when there are too many.

I want to make sure I am crystal clear: I don’t want them to air all dirty laundry. That would be inappropriate. What I want to see is:

When there are clearly quite a number of bad decisions made by an individual there is accountability. Change.

I will canvass a few:
1. We decided to keep Brad Lloyd. HIS decisions include: supporting the appointment of Voss, the appointment of Hamill etc, the inability to retain Jones (we threw a tantrum at him, clearly). The appointment of Nick Austin. Now Nick’s decision making needs questioning. Club psychologist. Whoever that is is either horribly unfunded or inept.
Lloyd decision.

2. The Board appointed Brian Cook. He has no presence. No apparent energy or love for this organisation. He would have been a good consultant or Board member. Cook himself has supported keeping Brad Lloyd and the other decisions around coaching. He has also said “I’ll give you 3 years” which is a terrible temporary mindset. Who appointed him?
3. Voss: his decisions include his coaching group (no change after a year of data last year). Jones. Stocker. Setterfield. His game plan.

We could go down through the hierarchy and individualise. But it starts at the Board. We have a President who was on a failed Board for a decade and then stepped up?

So who decides the Board? Well. WE DO. Technically. And we’ve failed.

Just a little on this.

Cook has expressed to the club that he would like to increase his stay from the original 3 years to 5 at a minimum.
He came to the club after the ‘external review’ took place, which in its findings decided that Lloyd and Liddle were doing a fantastic job, and it was only Teague that was at fault.. (absurd) and only 6 days before Voss was announced as coach. Once the decision making processes were all but done.
It will take time, unfortunately, for Cook to ultimately be able to make the changes and adjustments he wants. To call a for another review within the timeframe he’s been there so far, so soon upon the back of the last would of been impossible.

Austin I am happy to give more time to.
I feel he’s done a lot quite well so far, and I believe that he will be able to do a lot better when the club sorts itself out.
Having a very vocal and stubborn head coach, a previous list manager as head of the footy department, and the high up figures within the club still under the spell of his predecessor has somewhat limited his authority.
One could argue that this is on Austin for not being strong enough as a leader, but that would be very unfair, without understanding the handcuffs he’s had on him.

And as for Voss’ assistants, well let’s not be to quick to judge them. As at the end of the day the head coach has the final call, and to put it politely, not all the assistants agree with their boss.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Just a little on this.

Cook has expressed to the club that he would like to increase his stay from the original 3 years to 5 at a minimum.
He came to the club after the ‘external review’ took place, which in its findings decided that Lloyd and Liddle were doing a fantastic job, and it was only Teague that was at fault.. (absurd) and only 6 days before Voss was announced as coach. Once the decision making processes were all but done.
It will take time, unfortunately, for Cook to ultimately be able to make the changes and adjustments he wants. To call a for another review within the timeframe he’s been there so far, so soon upon the back of the last would of been impossible.

Austin I am happy to give more time to.
I feel he’s done a lot quite well so far, and I believe that he will be able to do a lot better when the club sorts itself out.
Having a very vocal and stubborn head coach, a previous list manager as head of the footy department, and the high up figures within the club still under the spell of his predecessor has somewhat limited his authority.
One could argue that this is on Austin for not being strong enough as a leader, but that would be very unfair, without understanding the handcuffs he’s had on him.

And as for Voss’ assistants, well let’s not be to quick to judge them. As at the end of the day the head coach has the final call, and to put it politely, not all the assistants agree with their boss.

If they thought Liddle was doing a fantastic job why did he get the arse? Purely because Cook was available?

 

[Kramer1]

Geez...plenty of laying the boots in to the Mathieson's. As much as they may invite a bit of it, we'd be supporting the Carlton Kangaroos without them.

Anyway, cheers for 11 years of voluntary service.

 

[Arr0w]

Just because their supporters aremorons didn't mean their board was. The board was strong and stable, they withstood a bunch of dumb dumbs. Ours isn't of that quality nor is it free of dumb dumbs

Think you and many are missing the point.

Which supporter/s, 2016 Tigers, us and our current supporters, would know what is going on at board level, let alone most of the inner sanctum of the club?

You, someone you know at our club, someone you knew at the Tigers? I am intrigued

 

[Arr0w]

I think there is a whole thread for that! I put my thoights there...

I will check them out

 

[Forty3]

If they thought Liddle was doing a fantastic job why did he get the arse? Purely because Cook was available?

The knives were out for Cain the moment Silvagni lost his job. Whilst he was no longer employed, his influence was never quelled.

 

[Yubby]

Just a little on this.

Cook has expressed to the club that he would like to increase his stay from the original 3 years to 5 at a minimum.
He came to the club after the ‘external review’ took place, which in its findings decided that Lloyd and Liddle were doing a fantastic job, and it was only Teague that was at fault.. (absurd) and only 6 days before Voss was announced as coach. Once the decision making processes were all but done.
It will take time, unfortunately, for Cook to ultimately be able to make the changes and adjustments he wants. To call a for another review within the timeframe he’s been there so far, so soon upon the back of the last would of been impossible.

Austin I am happy to give more time to.
I feel he’s done a lot quite well so far, and I believe that he will be able to do a lot better when the club sorts itself out.
Having a very vocal and stubborn head coach, a previous list manager as head of the footy department, and the high up figures within the club still under the spell of his predecessor has somewhat limited his authority.
One could argue that this is on Austin for not being strong enough as a leader, but that would be very unfair, without understanding the handcuffs he’s had on him.

And as for Voss’ assistants, well let’s not be to quick to judge them. As at the end of the day the head coach has the final call, and to put it politely, not all the assistants agree with their boss.

Thanks for sharing and the insight.

Are you able to comment on what types of things the assistants disagree with Vossy on? Is it training methods, team selection, game plan, style etc?

 

[Magical_EddieBetts]

Just a little on this.

Cook has expressed to the club that he would like to increase his stay from the original 3 years to 5 at a minimum.
He came to the club after the ‘external review’ took place, which in its findings decided that Lloyd and Liddle were doing a fantastic job, and it was only Teague that was at fault.. (absurd) and only 6 days before Voss was announced as coach. Once the decision making processes were all but done.
It will take time, unfortunately, for Cook to ultimately be able to make the changes and adjustments he wants. To call a for another review within the timeframe he’s been there so far, so soon upon the back of the last would of been impossible.

Austin I am happy to give more time to.
I feel he’s done a lot quite well so far, and I believe that he will be able to do a lot better when the club sorts itself out.
Having a very vocal and stubborn head coach, a previous list manager as head of the footy department, and the high up figures within the club still under the spell of his predecessor has somewhat limited his authority.
One could argue that this is on Austin for not being strong enough as a leader, but that would be very unfair, without understanding the handcuffs he’s had on him.

And as for Voss’ assistants, well let’s not be to quick to judge them. As at the end of the day the head coach has the final call, and to put it politely, not all the assistants agree with their boss.

The fact Brian Cook himself wants to extend his stay at the club to 5 years at a minimum, makes me really happy and confident that he will turn this club around for the better!!!

 

[passmark]

Just a little on this.

Cook has expressed to the club that he would like to increase his stay from the original 3 years to 5 at a minimum.
He came to the club after the ‘external review’ took place, which in its findings decided that Lloyd and Liddle were doing a fantastic job, and it was only Teague that was at fault.. (absurd) and only 6 days before Voss was announced as coach. Once the decision making processes were all but done.
It will take time, unfortunately, for Cook to ultimately be able to make the changes and adjustments he wants. To call a for another review within the timeframe he’s been there so far, so soon upon the back of the last would of been impossible.

Austin I am happy to give more time to.
I feel he’s done a lot quite well so far, and I believe that he will be able to do a lot better when the club sorts itself out.
Having a very vocal and stubborn head coach, a previous list manager as head of the footy department, and the high up figures within the club still under the spell of his predecessor has somewhat limited his authority.
One could argue that this is on Austin for not being strong enough as a leader, but that would be very unfair, without understanding the handcuffs he’s had on him.

And as for Voss’ assistants, well let’s not be to quick to judge them. As at the end of the day the head coach has the final call, and to put it politely, not all the assistants agree with their boss.

Good.

Cook is the only bloke in the entire organisation who’s a proven winner.

Give him the keys and get the **** out of his way!

 

[Aphrodite]

Nice timing by Sayers to * off to Italy while our club is in disarray and his legal troubles are piling up. What a joke.

He’s still in Melbourne and at the Club tonight along with other Board Members & past players.

 

[BlueBlood15]

Good.

Cook is the only bloke in the entire organisation who’s a proven winner.

Give him the keys and get the * out of his way!

Yep. Cook is the one who knows what a well run football club looks like. Needs to be given some time to put his stamp on things. Will be fascinating to see the personnel he thinks he can move forward with and the ones he can’t.

 

[carlton_99]

He’s still in Melbourne and at the Club tonight.

Browne thought that interview with Fitzpatrick was "significant"