Official Club Stuff BREAKING: Luke Sayers steps down effective immediately (Jan 22nd)!

[Blue_Fusion]

I want to say this.

Mike Fitzpatrick is not a man to mix words.

He will tell you as he sees it and you will like it.

Biggest takeaway from the small interview that he did?

When he said the board isn't more united than what the media would want you to believe

Combine that with Forty3 news and you better believe this club is locked jn and aware of what they need to do off the field to get the on field where it needs to be

If it wasn't then your realistic big tickets would have the likes of Fitzy behind them.

Fix what needs work off field, support Nick Austin on getting the list right and this club will go places very quickly.

Playing devil's advocate, did you really think Fitzy was going to come out and say the board's in disarray and he wants to lead a ticket?

Now is not the time to invite any of that sort of speculation...

 

[Wickzki]

Playing devil's advocate, did you really think Fitzy was going to come out and say the board's in disarray and he wants to lead a ticket?

Now is not the time to invite any of that sort of speculation...

Take everything he said at face value. He identified that the board isn't as fractured as what the media is telling you. That's the important sound byte right there. It tells me he's aware of how it's functioning.

 

[BlueJet]

Sounds like assistants are going into survival mode and trying to save their own jobs by turning on the main guy, very Carlton of them, let's hope the football department isn't falling for it, everybody needs to be held accountable including them.

2 of them have been at our club before…

This is how rumours are fed & reputations unfairly tarnished.
Having a difference of opinion doesnt necessarily mean undermining the Coach.
Given the tone of the comment, I'd imagine that the Assistants aren't stabbing Voss in the back.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Take everything he said at face value. He identified that the board isn't as fractured as what the media is telling you. That's the important sound byte right there.

The board might not be fractured... but that doesn't mean they'll make the right decisions for the club...

We'll know all we need to if they sack Voss during the bye...

 

[Wickzki]

The board might not be fractured... but that doesn't mean they'll make the right decisions for the club...

We'll know all we need to if they sack Voss during the bye...

If they sack Voss during the bye then they've done a 180 in a week.

 

[gab213]

This is how rumours are fed & reputations unfairly tarnished.
Having a difference of opinion doesnt necessarily mean undermining the Coach.
Given the tone of the comment, I'd imagine that the Assistants aren't stabbing Voss in the back.

Mate, it's more of a commentary on how things are being said here, nobody's reputation is being tarnished here, do you think anyone actually takes notice of what people say here? Really? Have you read some of what gets said around here?

 

[Arr0w]

Comparing our board to Richmond's in 2016 is incredibly shallow...

Why would it be shallow?

So because they stuck with their board and it turned out well, we need to stick with ours? Bollocks!

Don't think anyone suggested has any insight as the the best approach, so bollocks would suggest you have more insight than those that have a different view to you, or those in the inner sanctum

Our board has continued to make mistake after mistake, (even the AFLW side of things is a disaster with players wanting out... coach sacked there too but that's another story...) sacked so many coaches, sacked a CEO, sacked assistant coaches, sacked a list manager,

So which one is it, we should or shouldn't sack people? Seems to contradict your first couple of sentences

conducted a full external review of every facet

Nothing that differs from most if not all clubs

went through a 'process' for a new coach which was essentially get Clarko oh he doesn't want to come, let's get Ross oh wait do we really want him? oh let's try again for Clarko, damn he still doesn't want to come... s**t we told them we want an experienced coach, who's left?

You mean like other clubs like North or Saints. Like the Pies? Essendon?

oh Vossy, yeah he's the guy we wanted all along anyway!

Where did the club say we wanted Voss anyway?

And... after 8 years of rebuilding, we're still in bottom 6 territory...

So similar to the Tigers in 2016 then

Richmond's board had a 10 year plan and they stuck with their coach through thick and thin. Hardwick was their man and they went and got the right people around him when he was struggling.

So, we could do the say for Voss

Furthermore, by 2016 they had experienced a few years of finals and saw improvement in each of those years... we've regressed yet again and you can't blame injuries this time...

Losing each and every elimination final

The fish rots from the head down and unfortunately, it looks like we have another dirty crook for a president...

So you know he is guilty

 

[windows1]

Take everything he said at face value. He identified that the board isn't as fractured as what the media is telling you. That's the important sound bite right there. It tells me he's aware of how it's functioning.

I thought that too. Why would he be aware? At the least he’s been sounded out for the vacant position. Been touched to. Surely.

 

[Blue and Blue]

Mate, it's more of a commentary on how things are being said here, nobody's reputation is being tarnished here, do you think anyone actually takes notice of what people say here? Really? Have you read some of what gets said around here?

I especially dont take any notice of what I say...

But pretty sure we have nobel prize winners posting. Rocket scientists and especially premiership winning captain coach presidents....haha.

 

[Wickzki]

Mate, it's more of a commentary on how things are being said here, nobody's reputation is being tarnished here, do you think anyone actually takes notice of what people say here? Really? Have you read some of what gets said around here?

Yes. Some of what gets said and posted here does get taken very seriously in the media

Look at how often the original source for something later printed in the media happens to be from here. How often something an ITK has posted is published almost verbatim in the days following their post including stuff that turns out very different than what was posted.

I thought that too. Why would he be aware? At the least he’s been sounded out for the vacant position. Been touched to. Surely.

He's not in the same "forced neutral" position he was in previously with the AFL. He can be an openly proud and passionate Blue again. Given our on field no doubt he has reached out to see what's happening. He'd also have lots of contacts that deal with Carlton in other capacities letting him know what they're experiencing on the other side. He would be genuinely informed from all angles.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Nice timing by Sayers to * off to Italy while our club is in disarray and his legal troubles are piling up. What a joke.

Nah mate, that’s a ridiculous take.
It’s his wife’s 50th and would have been planned long ago
Im planning my wife and my 50ths coming up in the next year, we are heading off to the US. It’s not something you do a month out


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[gab213]

Yes. Some of what gets said and posted here does get taken very seriously in the media

Look at how often the original source for something later printed in the media happens to be from here. How often something an ITK has posted is published almost verbatim in the days following their post including stuff that turns out very different than what was posted.


He's not in the same "forced neutral" position he was in previously with the AFL. He can be an openly proud and passionate Blue again. Given our on field no doubt he has reached out to see what's happening. He'd also have lots of contacts that deal with Carlton in other capacities letting him know what they're experiencing on the other side. He would be genuinely informed from all angles.

I doubt that it gets taken seriously by media at all, maybe used to get clicks or to troll us but taken as serious commentary? Nah. Media cares very much about keeping us looking bad cause it gets them clicks/eyes/ratings etc. We fall into it EVERY time, we are just the suckers, the facilitators of what they want. How they could take any commentary made here seriously is beyond me. It's all just 95% uninformed opinion.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

I come in peace first of all, I haven't read this thread but I want to gather the overall feelings of your supporters when it comes to this, personally I think Mathieson (disregarding his profile in the club) was completely within his right to challenge the president maybe wrong place wrong time but the fact that he's left whilst being vocally challenging what's going on at carlton imo as a opposition supporter sparks red flags in regards to sayers, not trying to have a go at anyone here or the club in general just trying to have a discussion from my pov, apologies if I've offended any die hards, and for everyone melting down Collingwood was the laughing stock of the afl in 2021, your list is more talented then most you guys are closer then you alot of people will give you credit imo

As many full stops as teeth by the looks of it…


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[BlueBayou]

As an elite does he really know football at a grass roots level. Did he play for north Albury reserves. Does he have the club at heart. ????I’d prefer Bruce Doull.


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That would make for some very interesting press conferences.... lots of questions, very few responses...

 

[The Flying Doormat]

Take everything he said at face value. He identified that the board isn't as fractured as what the media is telling you. That's the important sound byte right there. It tells me he's aware of how it's functioning.

Also an acknowledgement of the disappointment felt by Carlton supporters "...the expectations that have been building over the last 2-3 years...aren't really making much progress at the moment...the playing group on paper looks terrific"

Not sure if we can read anything into these comments - just an honest assessment?

 

[Wickzki]

Also an acknowledgement of the disappointment felt by Carlton supporters "...the expectations that have been building over the last 2-3 years...aren't really making much progress at the moment...the playing group on paper looks terrific"

Not sure if we can read anything into these comments - just an honest assessment?

It's really not too dissimilar than what Sayers published last week that the club was aware of the expectations and it understood it wasn't meeting them

I ask anyone that questions what Mike had to say to read what Sayers wrote last week. The messaging is very similar.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

If they sack Voss during the bye then they've done a 180 in a week.

Would it surprise you? Maybe to an extent but ultimately, this is the action we're used to seeing from them.

 

[Arr0w]

I think people can hold whatever view they want. No one on this forum would be in the inner sanctum (maybe a couple)

So those thoughts or comparing them to other clubs, in different eras would be, as valid to any other persons opinion

IMHO, board members play a minimal role in a coaches gameplan and tactics

Sides like Richmond, Cats, Hawks, even Melbourne had minimal changes at board level just prior to their success

Does it work in every environment, no, but there is no single blueprint for success

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Why would it be shallow?

Read the post before responding to the first sentence... all explained, it's a completely different situation, different people etc.

Don't think anyone suggested has any insight as the the best approach, so bollocks would suggest you have more insight than those that have a different view to you, or those in the inner sanctum

No, bollocks suggests that you can't just look at a whole different group of people running a different club and use that as definitive proof that the group of people we have running our club will turn out well...

So which one is it, we should or shouldn't sack people? Seems to contradict your first couple of sentences

How does it contradict anything? The common denominator over the years is the board... they are the ones who have driven all of the decisions that they have backflipped on because they haven't worked...

Nothing that differs from most if not all clubs

All clubs don't make it as public as we did, was that the right decision? It put the coach and playing group under immense pressure and caused angst among the supporters...

You mean like other clubs like North or Saints. Like the Pies? Essendon?

Our process was nothing like those clubs... Saints knew they wanted Ross, so they sacked Ratten abruptly and got him, he didn't go though a bs process...

The Pies didn't limit themselves to an experienced coach, they considered every candidate evenly and made their choice based on the person who presented the best vision...

Essendon considered Hird because of Sheedy... realistically there was no way they were going to reappoint him. They entered the race for Clarko way too late, as opposed to us who supposedly courted him for months...

Norf obviously went straight for him, no process in sight...

So no.

Where did the club say we wanted Voss anyway?

Hahahaha... the same place where they said they didn't want him anyway...

So similar to the Tigers in 2016 then

You mean except for the part that 2016 Tigers had finished 5th, 8th and 5th in the 3 years prior?

So, we could do the say for Voss

Could... but probably won't... even you've been hearing murmurings that he'll be gone..

Losing each and every elimination final

And this makes them similar to us how?

So you know he is guilty

'looks like' ...

 

[Gointocarlton]

Nah mate, that’s a ridiculous take.
It’s his wife’s 50th and would have been planned long ago
Im planning my wife and my 50ths coming up in the next year, we are heading off to the US. It’s not something you do a month out


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Also, there is a Vice President right?

 

[Aphrodite]

Also, there is a Vice President right?

There are 2 VP’s

Patty Kinnersly
Robert Priestley

 

[jpfalvo]

Playing devil's advocate, did you really think Fitzy was going to come out and say the board's in disarray and he wants to lead a ticket?

Now is not the time to invite any of that sort of speculation...

My mail is Fitzy is not interested in a board role. Things can change, but thats my mail

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[Gointocarlton]

Would it surprise you? Maybe to an extent but ultimately, this is the action we're used to seeing from them.

Cook will not sack the head coach before his tenure is up (ie end of 2024).

 

[jpfalvo]

Whats interesting with the Voss could be Hardwick or Thompson speak, ie. We are Richmond 2016 or Geelong 2006, is that the same discussions went on, in this forum around Teague.

There was plenty of Teague could be Hardwick. Back him, give him support, it will turn...

Well it didn't, we sacked him in a debacle, where he should have gone mid year.... made a meal of a coaching selection process as a result...

Same decision makers, Judd had gone, MLG too, but the rest the same...

And here we are again, 18mths later.
Sack Voss, Keep Voss...

Eitherway, same constants...

The Board, Lloyd and Russell.

Russell reportedly going.
Lloyd.must be on last legs.
Leaves the Board itself

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[Gointocarlton]

There are 2 VP’s

Patty Kinnersly
Robert Priestley

Even better