The Liberal Party - How long? - Part 2

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

If she wants credibility she can make the claims outside of parliamentary privilege or go to the police. She has form with these stunts, couldn't handle that someone else was getting the headlines this week. I'm sorry that you guys keep falling for the Jussie Smollett's of the world!

She will be making the claim outside parliament.
They are not stunts, that's just the Murdoch narrrative.
Kerry Stokes from 7 is the stuntman with his bs defending and leaking of confidential info re Ben Roberts-Smith and Bruce Lehrman.
What sort of guy pays millions of dollars to war criminals and alleged rapists?
I suspect more with come out about David Van. The guy is a far right wing campaigner who spruiks for the military suppliers . He has allegedly wandering hands also.

 

[Saint]

M8 even the most blue-haired of art graduate loons on reddit acknowledge that she's almost certainly lying to feel relevant again. Leave it to SRP to out-extreme the extremists lol.

OK, you've backed up your point with the opinion of anonymous blue-haired loons on Reddit.

I don't know how Thorpe will ever be able to overcome that piece of evidence, combined with "a guy in America lied once too"

 

[Saint]

Dutton was almost moved to whatever passes as tears for him at the plight of Indigenous sexual assault victims in Alice Springs, if there's something in this you'd expect him to be one of the first to come to Thorpe's defence if this issue is as dear to his heart as he would have us believe.

Dutton only believes things which are told to him by LNP donors/members. If you're not donating to the party, your opinion doesn't count (are you even really a person?)

 

[Gough]

Dutton only believes things which are told to him by LNP donors/members. If you're not donating to the party, your opinion doesn't count (are you even really a person?)

Not sure how the carrying on in the last week are going to do much to bring the female vote back to party. Alienating fifty percent of the population seems to be curious approach to regaining government.

 

[FireKrakouer]

I don't know how Thorpe will ever be able to overcome that piece of evidence, combined with "a guy in America lied once too"

The onus is on her to provide evidence, not on we sensible sceptics who have heard her cry wolf one too many times now.

 

[Festerz]

Not sure how the carrying on in the last week are going to do much to bring the female vote back to party. Alienating fifty percent of the population seems to be curious approach to regaining government.

Here we have a party being torn apart on the one hand by right wing anti-trans activists operating under the banner 'let women speak' while at the same time shouting down any woman who dares to support the young female victim of an (alleged) rape.

But then again the peak irony is they still call their party the 'Liberals'.

 

[Saint]

The onus is on her to provide evidence, not on we sensible sceptics who have heard her cry wolf one too many times now.

Oh, what has she "cried wolf" about in the past?

I guess the history of incidents within the LNP (and other political parties) and society in general is completely made up and all the other payouts and cover-ups never happened?

"Sensible skeptics" who use Reddit and 3-year-old unrelated stories to draw their conclusions? Would we call those "sensible"?

 

[QuietB]

lol - Morrison is pond scum

 

[Saint]

lol - Morrison is pond scum

Morrison probably said something like:

"In my time as PM, I don't recall anything like that"

and secretly thinking in his head:

"I was Minister for Women at the time, so that's not a lie"

 

[peetoo]

Looks like albo needs to clean up the many attempts by last coalition govts attempts to clean up

 

[QuietB]

Bruce Lehrmann and his barrister Steve Whybrow should face contempt of court charges for leaking documents to harass Brittany Higgins

Bruce Lehrmann’s barrister for his rape trial Steve Whybrow confessed in a witness statement, as per below, to aiding and abetting Murdoch propagandist Janet Albrechtsen, who writes for The Australian, with a […]

kangaroocourtofaustralia.com

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

Bruce Lehrmann and his barrister Steve Whybrow should face contempt of court charges for leaking documents to harass Brittany Higgins

Bruce Lehrmann’s barrister for his rape trial Steve Whybrow confessed in a witness statement, as per below, to aiding and abetting Murdoch propagandist Janet Albrechtsen, who writes for The Australian, with a […]

kangaroocourtofaustralia.com

Lol. Hand fed that right wing clown

 

[Sun Ra]

Crikey / News / Politics

Why the eerie quiet on Lidia Thorpe’s sexual assault allegation?​

Lidia Thorpe's extraordinary allegations against David Van have been met with a very different reaction to those made by Brittany Higgins.

BERNARD KEANE
JUN 15, 2023
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INDEPENDENT SENATOR LIDIA THORPE (IMAGE: AAP/MICK TSIKAS)

The muted mainstream media and political reaction to Lidia Thorpe accusing Liberal Senator David Van of sexual harassment and sexual assault stands in fascinating contrast to the reaction to the subject that provided the context for her allegation: Parliament’s handling of Brittany Higgins’ sexual assault allegations, and the ongoing campaign to destroy her by the Coalition and right-wing media.

That may be because Thorpe withdrew the allegations — a procedural Senate matter rather than some sort of admission she’d invented them — or that media outlets are awaiting her promised explanation today. But at the very least, the outcome must be that either Van or Thorpe’s political career is over. Van strongly denies Thorpe’s claims, saying this morning that he had (as she stated) been made to move offices away from her, but only after Thorpe falsely claimed he’d been following her into the Senate chamber. Otherwise, Van says, he had nothing to do with Thorpe and has only ever shaken her hand.

If any substance is found to Thorpe’s allegations, the Liberals cannot continue to tolerate him in their ranks. He can’t be forced to resign from the Senate, so might end up on the crossbench, but would be under enormous pressure to leave. Likewise, if Thorpe fails or declines to back her allegations up, her continuing presence in the Senate would also become difficult, along with her capacity to meaningfully participate in public debate. And her enemies — and others, too — will hold her up as a real example of the great myth of sexual assault — that women invent accusations of rape.

But the issue here is less about the specifics of Thorpe’s allegations against Van — as serious and damaging as they are — than about our consistency in responding to allegations of sexual assault. If we’re to be consistent, Thorpe’s allegations of sexual assault should be met with the same public rage and widespread coverage that Higgins’ allegations elicited, rather than relative silence.

Perhaps media outlets really are gun-shy and waiting to hear what Thorpe further reveals. But is the lack of coverage driven by perceptions of Thorpe as a troublemaker and a toxic personality? Because of her alleged “relationship” with an ex-bikie? Because she’s Indigenous? Because she’s a loud, opinionated Blak woman who enrages many on the left as well as the right?

And had a white senator made similar allegations, would the same eerie quiet about them pervade media coverage and politics today? What if Thorpe had directed her allegations toward a Labor senator, or a colleague in her former party, the Greens? What would the media coverage have looked like then?
If you or someone you know is affected by sexual assault or violence, call 1800RESPECT on 1800 737 732 or visit 1800RESPECT.org.au. In an emergency, call 000.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Not sure how the carrying on in the last week are going to do much to bring the female vote back to party. Alienating fifty percent of the population seems to be curious approach to regaining government.

I guess they figure it worked in Iran in 1978, so why not give it a shot.

 

[Festerz]

If you wan't to get a handle on the misogynistic take on the latest allegations against the Liberal Party, take the time to look at this mornings posts in the Bruce Lehrmann crime thread of Big Footy.

It is against BF rules to cross post or reference posts from another thread, but as an indicator of their tone - the latest post from one of posters - is along the lines of 'who would want to bed Senator Thorpe anyway '. And of course that is tame compared to what is happening across un moderated social media platforms and commentary in News Ltd reports.

Misogyny being fostered by a Liberal Party for political gain that has taken our Parliament to a new level.

And not one question being asked about Morrison's statement last night that he knew nothing of allegations against Senator Van - despite Senator Thorpe restating that she was told her allegations were being taken seriously and were reported to then PM Morrison when they were first raised 2 years ago.

That the Libs and their media backers think this war against women is going to get them back into power is probably the most astonishing part of the whole filthy saga.

 

[Festerz]

Another own goal for Dutton and his dopey Senate Leader Michaelia Cash.

Because these allegations were raised in the Senate yesterday because she was deeply offended by the fact that her alleged sexual harasser, Liberal Senator David Van was the one chosen by the Liberals to read out a pre-prepared statement about the safety of women and the behaviour of Labor MPs over the handling of Brittany Higgins rape allegations

Former Liberal senator accuses David Van of 'inappropriate touching', which Van denies

Former Queensland Liberal senator Amanda Stoker accuses senator David Van of inappropriately touching her at a social gathering in 2020, but he says it's not something he'd ever do.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Lydia’s not all bad

 

[Sun Ra]

Senator David Van excluded from Liberal party room. His career is toast.

 

[jannissary]

If you wan't to get a handle on the misogynistic take on the latest allegations against the Liberal Party, take the time to look at this mornings posts in the Bruce Lehrmann crime thread of Big Footy.

It is against BF rules to cross post or reference posts from another thread, but as an indicator of their tone - the latest post from one of posters - is along the lines of 'who would want to bed Senator Thorpe anyway '. And of course that is tame compared to what is happening across un moderated social media platforms and commentary in News Ltd reports.

Misogyny being fostered by a Liberal Party for political gain that has taken our Parliament to a new level.

And not one question being asked about Morrison's statement last night that he knew nothing of allegations against Senator Van - despite Senator Thorpe restating that she was told her allegations were being taken seriously and were reported to then PM Morrison when they were first raised 2 years ago.

That the Libs and their media backers think this war against women is going to get them back into power is probably the most astonishing part of the whole filthy saga.

cash has been spouting misogynist shit for years in the senate so while the release from higgins was pretty alarming that she covered it up, it’s ultimately not surprising and is indicative of the LNP’s attitude towards women as a whole party at a federal level

 

[GreyWind]

Senator David Van excluded from Liberal Party Room. His career is toast.

Mr Dutton said following her comments to the chamber last night, another allegation was brought to his attention, and he met with Senator Van and advised him he had decided the senator should no longer sit in the Liberal party room.

This is going to be the interesting one, obviously not from Thorpe but by Thorpe coming forward it's obviously given someone else the courage to speak out against Van. I wouldn't be surprised if there are others who come forward now.

 

[Kyptastic]

Senator David Van excluded from Liberal Party Room. His career is toast

At least his term is up in 2025. He can spend the rest of that time up in conspiracy corner with Babet and Roberts.

 

[Chief]

This is going to be the interesting one, obviously not from Thorpe but by Thorpe coming forward it's obviously given someone else the courage to speak out against Van. I wouldn't be surprised if there are others who come forward now.

"following her comments to the chamber last night, another allegation was brought to his attention"

One wonders when the text messages will emerge proving Dutton knew all about both accusations well before hand?

 

[Gough]

Something went badly wrong with the last Parliament.

 

[GreyWind]

"following her comments to the chamber last night, another allegation was brought to his attention"

One wonders when the text messages will emerge proving Dutton knew all about both accusations well before hand?

Dutton? You mean Gallagher yeah?

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

Crikey / News / Politics

Why the eerie quiet on Lidia Thorpe’s sexual assault allegation?​

Lidia Thorpe's extraordinary allegations against David Van have been met with a very different reaction to those made by Brittany Higgins.

BERNARD KEANE
JUN 15, 2023
Share

INDEPENDENT SENATOR LIDIA THORPE (IMAGE: AAP/MICK TSIKAS)

The muted mainstream media and political reaction to Lidia Thorpe accusing Liberal Senator David Van of sexual harassment and sexual assault stands in fascinating contrast to the reaction to the subject that provided the context for her allegation: Parliament’s handling of Brittany Higgins’ sexual assault allegations, and the ongoing campaign to destroy her by the Coalition and right-wing media.

That may be because Thorpe withdrew the allegations — a procedural Senate matter rather than some sort of admission she’d invented them — or that media outlets are awaiting her promised explanation today. But at the very least, the outcome must be that either Van or Thorpe’s political career is over. Van strongly denies Thorpe’s claims, saying this morning that he had (as she stated) been made to move offices away from her, but only after Thorpe falsely claimed he’d been following her into the Senate chamber. Otherwise, Van says, he had nothing to do with Thorpe and has only ever shaken her hand.

If any substance is found to Thorpe’s allegations, the Liberals cannot continue to tolerate him in their ranks. He can’t be forced to resign from the Senate, so might end up on the crossbench, but would be under enormous pressure to leave. Likewise, if Thorpe fails or declines to back her allegations up, her continuing presence in the Senate would also become difficult, along with her capacity to meaningfully participate in public debate. And her enemies — and others, too — will hold her up as a real example of the great myth of sexual assault — that women invent accusations of rape.

But the issue here is less about the specifics of Thorpe’s allegations against Van — as serious and damaging as they are — than about our consistency in responding to allegations of sexual assault. If we’re to be consistent, Thorpe’s allegations of sexual assault should be met with the same public rage and widespread coverage that Higgins’ allegations elicited, rather than relative silence.

Perhaps media outlets really are gun-shy and waiting to hear what Thorpe further reveals. But is the lack of coverage driven by perceptions of Thorpe as a troublemaker and a toxic personality? Because of her alleged “relationship” with an ex-bikie? Because she’s Indigenous? Because she’s a loud, opinionated Blak woman who enrages many on the left as well as the right?

And had a white senator made similar allegations, would the same eerie quiet about them pervade media coverage and politics today? What if Thorpe had directed her allegations toward a Labor senator, or a colleague in her former party, the Greens? What would the media coverage have looked like then?
If you or someone you know is affected by sexual assault or violence, call 1800RESPECT on 1800 737 732 or visit 1800RESPECT.org.au. In an emergency, call 000.

Exactly what I was saying. I thought more allegations would come out as well. This Van guy is a sex pest.