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[BillyElliott]

Geel won’t be resting players this year given how far they are off the pace. So if the do make finals they’ll have some tired bodies this year.

They don't have to worry about resting Selwood anymore and most of their other older players have spent plenty of time on the sidelines injured anyway.

 

[BillyElliott]

We’ve had plenty of opportunities to rest players without compromising the result, we have simply chosen not to do it as it’s not our coaching staff’s philosophy. I hope they’re correct.

Such as? Which games & which players? And how could you possibly know if it would have compromised the result?

 

[Scodog10]

They are equally cumbersome though. It's the contested ball at stoppages and at the bottom of the packs that these two threaten to kill us.

Unless that's what you meant, not sure.

Anderson cumbersome? Not sure what GC footy you’ve been watching, but he’s in/ out like Butters/ Brayshaw/ Naicos in 2 years time. I also wouldn’t describe Rowell that way either, but each to their own.

Reckon our boys will be wrapt to escape the conditions in Melbourne.

Same here, but it’s going to help them play footy as much as it would help me, IMO.

 

[windchimes]

Anderson cumbersome? Not sure what GC footy you’ve been watching, but he’s in/ out like Butters/ Brayshaw/ Naicos in 2 years time. I also wouldn’t describe Rowell that way either, but each to their own.

He's a great player and runs bloody hard, but has never struck me as particularly quick or agile.

There is a very strong tendency on here for posters to exaggerate the slowness of some of our mids and then invent perceived pace and agility in other teams' big bodied mids. Other than his tank, he is physically and aesthetically dissimilar to the players you mentioned.

He moves nothing like Daicos or Brayshaw.

 

[Scodog10]

I like the thought of resting players, but the time for weeks off has come and gone and was a super limited window anyway. Unfortunately unlike Geelong we don’t have a genuine home ground advantage which we get the majority of our games at late in seasons. Even then I think their rotation was overblown and was more about their ability to ease guys back as we’re doing with Steele.

 

[Scodog10]

He's a great player and runs bloody hard, but has never struck me as particularly quick or agile.

There is a very strong tendency on here for posters to exaggerate the slowness of some of our mids and then invent perceived pace and agility in other teams big bodied mids. Other than his tank, he is physically and aesthetically unsimilar to the players you mentioned.

He moves nothing like Daicos or Brayshaw.

He really does move well around stoppage, but you are right he’s nothing like Daicos because he’s a better ball winner.

I don’t know about the tendencies of the board. On the whole I think the predominant view is that we’re a run and gun team with a good spread of runners and in and under types, but of late it’s been highlighted that without JDG and Steele we’re more reliant on the spread of Daicos x2 when Pendles, Adams and Mitchell are rotating through the middle more. It feels like your making up narratives, but again all power to you

 

[jmac70]

Rapt. As in raptures. You’re a teacher Jmac, do better.

Do better than who?

 

[magpies42]

Rest Maynard .. lol .. I dare you to say that to his face! but seriously, - these guys are well paid professionals .. paid to play footy not rest.

Has had the odd soft tissue injury, but a week off might take the sting out of a shoulder injury.

 

[windchimes]

He really does move well around stoppage, but you are right he’s nothing like Daicos because he’s a better ball winner.

I don’t know about the tendencies of the board. On the whole I think the predominant view is that we’re a run and gun team with a good spread of runners and in and under types, but of late it’s been highlighted that without JDG and Steele we’re more reliant on the spread of Daicos x2 when Pendles, Adams and Mitchell are rotating through the middle more. It feels like your making up narratives, but again all power to you

This is all correct. It's what I was initially arguing by the way - but you wouldn't think we had a pair of Daici and Crisp in amongst all the fretting about Pendles Adams and Lippa

JDG is back next week and as you say, we're pretty much right for pace in the middle from there unless someone goes down again. This weekend however we come up against the suns, who, while a great clearance unit are a tad one paced without the speed and dynamism Touk brings. I really do not think they are quicker than us on the spread this weekend if we rotate our midfielders well.

Until then, I'm more than happy to sit through more of your lectures professor Scodog

 

[Scodog10]

This is all correct. It's what I was initially arguing by the way - but you wouldn't think we had a pair of Daici and Crisp in amongst all the fretting about Pendles Adams and Lippa

JDG is back next week and as you say, we're pretty much right for pace in the middle from there unless someone goes down again. This weekend however we come up against the suns, who, while a great clearance unit are a tad one paced without the speed and dynamism Touk brings. I really do not think they are quicker than us on the spread this weekend if we rotate our midfielders well.

Until then, I'm more than happy to sit through more of your lectures professor Scodog

I’m not sure about lectures I’d consider them more corrections because I think we’ve established Anderson isn’t cumbersome? To be clear though I unequivocally believe we have GC covered on the spread regardless of how I rate Anderson and Rowell v others. I’m much more “concerned” with contested ball because GC are the current pace setters league wide.

If we break even at the contest (which is a big if, IMO) the only way I see us losing is if the conditions get to greasy. They’ll bring the heat so in all likelihood it’ll boil down to how clean we are in transition and again recent history suggests that will challenge us.

 

[sideswipe]

This is all correct. It's what I was initially arguing by the way - but you wouldn't think we had a pair of Daici and Crisp in amongst all the fretting about Pendles Adams and Lippa

JDG is back next week and as you say, we're pretty much right for pace in the middle from there unless someone goes down again. This weekend however we come up against the suns, who, while a great clearance unit are a tad one paced without the speed and dynamism Touk brings. I really do not think they are quicker than us on the spread this weekend if we rotate our midfielders well.

Until then, I'm more than happy to sit through more of your lectures professor Scodog

 

[sr36]

I like the thought of resting players, but the time for weeks off has come and gone and was a super limited window anyway. Unfortunately unlike Geelong we don’t have a genuine home ground advantage which we get the majority of our games at late in seasons. Even then I think their rotation was overblown and was more about their ability to ease guys back as we’re doing with Steele.

To me, resting is the wrong term.
We've got to get them as fit as possible for finals which doesn't come from resting.

If you've got some blokes who are resting during the week in order to recover from games and thus missing fitness work - then it's worth leaving them out to ensure they don't drop fitness - but it wouldn't be to rest them - it'd be to train them harder without worrying about post-game recovery. Not sure if we currently have anyone in that boat.

 

[windchimes]

Comes from my mother’s side

 

[Scodog10]

To me, resting is the wrong term.
We've got to get them as fit as possible for finals which doesn't come from resting.

If you've got some blokes who are resting during the week in order to recover from games and thus missing fitness work - then it's worth leaving them out to ensure they don't drop fitness - but it wouldn't be to rest them - it'd be to train them harder without worrying about post-game recovery. Not sure if we currently have anyone in that boat.

IMO, you’re overthinking the terminology and even then it’s only the thought of it I’m behind. My thought process would be that a match day rest isn’t impacting that fitness and the aim would be as you’ve pointed out to allow them to train harder in the second portion of that two week block.

I’d suggest if we’d locked in a top 2 spot and were up against WC this week both Mitchell and Maynard could be in that boat, but they’ll get to the line because we don’t have a philosophy of match day resting. I’m fully behind Wade though and agree with your POV in the discussion you’ve had tonight. The one I’d love us to work through is that late match load management that Richmond used to great effect late in seasons through their best years.

 

[sr36]

IMO, you’re overthinking the terminology and even then it’s only the thought of it I’m behind. My thought process would be that a match day rest isn’t impacting that fitness and the aim would be as you’ve pointed out to allow them to train harder in the second portion of that two week block.

I’d suggest if we’d locked in a top 2 spot and were up against WC this week both Mitchell and Maynard could be in that boat, but they’ll get to the line because we don’t have a philosophy of match day resting. I’m fully behind Wade though and agree with your POV in the discussion you’ve had tonight. The one I’d love us to work through is that late match load management that Richmond used to great effect late in seasons through their best years.

For me it's a **** knows who would or wouldn't benefit from a game off. Eg. some blokes who "miss" a training session may be doing just as much aerobic work indoors as the blokes out on the field.

It's crucial though, as I think we're the best there is at high octane footy. And if we can maintain it for long enough, we're going to be bloody hard to beat. Whereas our system gets exploited if the heat goes out of the game.

 

[Scodog10]

Comes from my mother’s side

Selling your genes short! Archive footage I’ve found of your old man suggests innovation is strong in your gene pool

 

[Fat Jesus]

To me, resting is the wrong term.
We've got to get them as fit as possible for finals which doesn't come from resting.

If you've got some blokes who are resting during the week in order to recover from games and thus missing fitness work - then it's worth leaving them out to ensure they don't drop fitness - but it wouldn't be to rest them - it'd be to train them harder without worrying about post-game recovery. Not sure if we currently have anyone in that boat.

Flys words were "we don't rest players as it disrespects the competition"
Amen

 

[Apex36]

Do better than who?

Is that your excuse? Other people are butchering the English language, so it’s ok if you do it too?

 

[jmac70]

Is that your excuse? Other people are butchering the English language, so it’s ok if you do it too?

I’m not a strong speller. I’ve found though that it doesn’t impact my teaching. Students who also struggle are more confident to use increased vocabulary when they know their teacher also finds it challenging.

I guess though that everyone is an expert when it comes to education.

 

[3rdMan]

On resting. Cats did it last year because they were one of of the oldest sides ever, were well positioned on the ladder, were not getting many injuries and had players who struggle to see out a season.

If we were looking to rest anyone it would be Pendles or Sidey. Both have already missed games through injury.

With the injuries we've had, we have been able to rest players and introduce new/fringe players. Our number of players used is about average in the comp. Rotating the sub has also allowed players to get some "rest".

 

[LuckyLee]

Flys words were "we don't rest players as it disrespects the competition"
Amen [emoji120]

And no sooner did he utter those words than we “rested” Ginnivan!


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[Juan Ide]

I’m not a strong speller. I’ve found though that it doesn’t impact my teaching. Students who also struggle are more confident to use increased vocabulary when they know their teacher also finds it challenging.

I guess though that everyone is an expert when it comes to education.

Forget about your spelling, my friend. How about the grammar? Surely should've said 'better than whom!'

 

[sr36]

I get that, but they’ve stepped up in those more tropical conditions this year and their record stacks up! WB, Adelaide and Geelong as scalps, they took it right up to Melbourne and were in it up to 3/4 time v Brisbane which is as good as we managed. Down here I’d be fully confident we’d get the win, but up there it’s 50/50 at best given our recent record in SE QLD conditions.

It's not very humid there in June. That is unlikely to be a factor.

 

[Abdul_The_Bull]

I understand that it's all relative, and I don't want to suggest that it's been 'Melbourne cold' but it is pretty fresh up here at present. I don't think warm or humid conditions will be a problem that the Pies will need to worry about!

Bad news is, I will be attending this match and then flying down to Melbourne for the Freo game so these are two danger games based on my overwhelming ability to impact the universe and affect match results by my very attendance!

 

[Vicky Park]

Bad news is, I will be attending this match and then flying down to Melbourne for the Freo game so these are two danger games based on my overwhelming ability to impact the universe and affect match results by my very attendance!

Know what you mean about the universe and attending games.

Pretty sure the Pies would have won more GFs if I hadn’t been there.