List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management discussion

[Thomasno]

Suns also have Jed Walter coming through in the draft this year.
Chol is kind of out of favour now.

I’d take Chol for sure as a third tall option if that’s on the table. Feel like he might want to go somewhere that he’s a guaranteed start though, which wouldn’t be the case here either.

Side note, Walter looks to be the real deal. Twomey reckons if he was in the open draft, some clubs would take him over Reid - which is nuts given the media narrative the past 12 months. Man is absolutely jacked for an 18 year old


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[Harry Haller]

Thoughts on Jack Silvagni

1

Jack Silvagni

Age

27

Ht

194cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.9

4star

MG

176.9

3star

D

5.3

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

1.3

1star

M

1.7

2star

T

0.7

1star

MG

91.0

2star

D

9.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.8

5star

MG

131.4

3star

? I think he could play the Mcstay role and come cheaply. I think he offers more than Gunstan has shown and would offer that bit break glass in emergency ruckman that Mcstay did. If we play Oscar and Joe having another that can ruck in a pinch is useful. I dont like a ruckman as sub.

I am a Fort fan, don't get me wrong. If we go a one ruck setup with Joe doing a few minutes we can be exposed with an in game injury to big Oscar.

 

[Grasshopper17]

I think he's a heck of a player. How old is he?

 

[T Rick]

Thoughts on Jack Silvagni? I think he could play the Mcstay role and come cheaply. I think he offers more than Gunstan has shown and would offer that bit break glass in emergency ruckman that Mcstay did. If we play Oscar and Joe having another that can ruck in a pinch is useful. I dont like a ruckman as sub.

I am a Fort fan, don't get me wrong. If we go a one ruck setup with Joe doing a few minutes we can be exposed with an in game injury to big Oscar.

I would take Silvagni if Jack Gunston decided to retire otherwise the cost to the salary cap may be just too much.

 

[lionshine]

If we can trade back into late first/early second round in this years draft and add Doedee through free agency I am quite happy with how we are continuing to replenish our list with experienced acquisitions that fill a best 22 need whilst adding quality youth. Particularly with Levi Ashcroft coming next year as well.

I think we will be fine with Rich, Zorko and Gunston moving on. In another few years it will be incredibly difficult to replace Neale, Charlie and Joe but we have a few years to target free agency/trade ins and hit the draft to find some quality replacements. The rest of our list is primed for a while yet.

 

[blueiris]

I still think we should Chase McKay from North and Allow Andrews to play 3rd defender as good as Doedee is 2 knee injuries in less than 5 years not sure it’s something we should chase

 

[Nunez]

I still think we should Chase McKay from North and Allow Andrews to play 3rd defender as good as Doedee is 2 knee injuries in less than 5 years not sure it’s something we should chase

If we are chasing Doedee, I assume he'd be quite affordable and likely why we'd look at him. If he's a low cost recruit, then the risk is significantly lower. The reward - a rebounding third fall defender - is still relatively high.

 

[Tom14]

I still think we should Chase McKay from North and Allow Andrews to play 3rd defender as good as Doedee is 2 knee injuries in less than 5 years not sure it’s something we should chase

McKay is very overrated.

 

[SizeMatters]

McKay is very overrated.

Can’t perform well as a key defender in a team as shit as Norf. Makes it awfully hard.

 

[mpal6]

I still think we should Chase McKay from North and Allow Andrews to play 3rd defender as good as Doedee is 2 knee injuries in less than 5 years not sure it’s something we should chase

He can't move out of Melbourne.
It'll be impossible to maintain the double act from 2 different cities.

 

[Tom14]

Can’t perform well as a key defender in a team as s**t as Norf. Makes it awfully hard.

True, and I'm sure in a different team he'd be a lot better. But I'm not sure he's a 750k/yr or more player which is what I think he'll get.

 

[On the quiet]

True, and I'm sure in a different team he'd be a lot better. But I'm not sure he's a 750k/yr or more player which is what I think he'll get.

Don't disagree, but when you think Logue is on not much less, seems 700 to 750 is probably for McKay. Not that I am a fan of King but he gave both of them a serious spray last night on 'first crack'

 

[SizeMatters]

True, and I'm sure in a different team he'd be a lot better. But I'm not sure he's a 750k/yr or more player which is what I think he'll get.

Only one paying that sort of cash would be Norf. But I'd be surprised if he got it.

 

[Thomasno]

Can’t perform well as a key defender in a team as s**t as Norf. Makes it awfully hard.

Exactly. It’s like saying Harris played terribly last year when really it was the midfield/forward line’s lack of pressure that were the reason he had to defend so much in the first place.


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[jjami15]

I like the idea of Doedee but if I was to go after anyone it would be Esava.

 

[briztoon]

I like the idea of Doedee but if I was to go after anyone it would be Esava.

We would need to keep one of our hbf’ers in Esava’s back pocket for him to handball to after every intercept mark.

 

[Dalions]

I like the idea of Doedee but if I was to go after anyone it would be Esava.

Personally I think we are chasing a genuine third tall rather than another hulking key back.
So Doedee over Esava for me.

 

[M Malice]

I don't mind Mitch Georgiades

19

Mitch Georgiades

Age

24

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

2.0

5star

D

11.0

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

G

2.0

5star

D

11.0

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

2.0

5star

as a 3rd tall forward option, OOC this year.

 

[Dalions]

I don't mind Mitch Georgiades as a 3rd tall forward option, OOC this year.

I still think my primo selection would be Harry Himmelberg.
Would be one of the most expensive dollars wise but is a free agent and is the most versatile of the lot.
Think I heard he has been offered $700k/y to stay at GWS. Not sure of the length.

 

[M Malice]

I still think my primo selection would be Harry Himmelberg.
Would be one of the most expensive dollars wise but is a free agent and is the most versatile of the lot.
Think I heard he has been offered $700k/y to stay at GWS. Not sure of the length.

Yes, Harry would definitely be my preferred option, he can play at either end of the ground as well.

 

[T Rick]

So for those who understand these things why are the Lions being so slow to sign up any of our uncontracted players this year - or is this just a normal time-line?

2023:
Harry Sharp
Marcus Adams

24

Marcus Adams

Age

32

Ht

192cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.8

4star

K

8.1

3star

HB

5.7

4star

M

5.6

5star

T

2.0

4star

MG

240.5

4star

D

5.0

1star

K

2.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

57.0

1star

D

15.8

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

6.8

5star

M

6.8

5star

T

2.0

4star

MG

235.8

4star

Rhys Mathieson

36

Rhys Mathieson

Age

28

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

9.2

5star

M

2.9

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

3.4

5star

No current season stats available

D

18.4

5star

K

9.4

4star

HB

9.0

5star

M

2.2

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

2.8

5star

(R)
Kai Lohmann
Callum Ah Chee

4

Callum Ah Chee

Age

28

Ht

182cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.8

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

5.9

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.9

4star

G

0.5

3star

D

11.1

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

3.4

2star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.7

4star

G

0.1

3star

D

9.4

3star

K

4.4

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.8

4star

(unconfirmed but likely)
Daniel Rich

10

Daniel Rich

Age

35

Ht

183cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.7

5star

K

12.6

5star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.2

5star

MG

430.3

5star

D

14.9

4star

K

13.1

5star

HB

1.8

1star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.0

2star

MG

384.3

5star

D

16.2

4star

K

10.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

5.2

5star

Nakia Cockatoo

12

Nakia Cockatoo

Age

29

Ht

185cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.6

2star

K

6.1

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

3.1

5star

G

0.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

6.6

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

0.2

3star

(R)
James Madden
Deven Robertson

2

Deven Robertson

Age

24

Ht

185cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

4.0

3star

M

0.0

1star

T

3.0

5star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

4.0

3star

M

0.0

1star

T

3.0

4star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

4.0

3star

M

0.0

1star

T

3.0

5star

CL

0.0

1star

Dayne Zorko

15

Dayne Zorko

Age

36

Ht

175cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.4

5star

K

13.2

5star

HB

8.2

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

6.0

5star

MG

440.5

5star

D

14.0

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

5.0

3star

M

2.0

2star

T

5.0

5star

MG

291.0

4star

D

16.4

4star

K

9.8

4star

HB

6.6

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

6.6

5star

Blake Coleman
Carter Michael (R)
Darryl McDowell-White jnr (R)
Ryan Lester

35

Ryan Lester

Age

33

Ht

190cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.9

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.7

4star

MG

170.4

3star

D

10.3

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.5

2star

MG

140.7

3star

D

12.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

5.8

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

0.6

3star

(R)
Tom Fullarton
Conor McKenna (R)
Shadeau Brain (R)
Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

(R)

 

[dlanod]

So for those who understand these things why are the Lions being so slow to sign up any of our uncontracted players this year - or is this just a normal time-line?

2023:
Harry Sharp
Marcus Adams
Rhys Mathieson (R)
Kai Lohmann
Callum Ah Chee (unconfirmed but likely)
Daniel Rich
Nakia Cockatoo (R)
James Madden
Deven Robertson
Dayne Zorko
Blake Coleman
Carter Michael (R)
Darryl McDowell-White jnr (R)
Ryan Lester (R)
Tom Fullarton
Conor McKenna (R)
Shadeau Brain (R)
Darragh Joyce (R)

More to do with the quality/timeline of those guys. None are walk-up starts in our best 22 so there's reasons for either the club or the player (or both) to wait and see what develops and what options they have:

• Harry Sharp - can't crack seniors consistently
• Marcus Adams -
• Rhys Mathieson (R) - delistee?
• Kai Lohmann - can't crack seniors consistently
• Callum Ah Chee - can't crack seniors consistently
• Daniel Rich - age
• Nakia Cockatoo (R) - delistee?
• James Madden - can't crack seniors consistently
• Deven Robertson - can't crack seniors consistently
• Dayne Zorko - age
• Blake Coleman - delistee?
• Carter Michael (R) - rookie
• Darryl McDowell-White jnr (R) - rookie
• Ryan Lester (R) - age
• Tom Fullarton - can't crack seniors consistently
• Conor McKenna (R) - senior player
• Shadeau Brain (R) - rookie
• Darragh Joyce (R) - rookie

McKenna is the obvious exception to the list, but everyone else is either a rookie list player (generally a year at a time prospect anyway), on the tailend of their career and will probably re-sign if offered without too many worries once all is said and done, or in that vague area where they're good in the reserves but not cemented in the seniors - those guys often have differing ideas of contract value and are also vulnerable to poaching for more opportunities.

 

[irel]

Some considered decisions need to be made, taking into consideration future F/S options, Academy players coming through, what is available in the free agency sphere, our maneuvering for draft capital and the age profile of our senior list. Also where and how we finish this year will have a significant bearing on how we approach our future list management options.

With our list management we have made some errors recently such as signing Lyons and Gardner on long term (3years) deals. Which in hindsight may impact on our list management post 2023.

I agree with the strategy of taking stock at the end of the year. Other than McKenna all the rest have a question mark if they remain or go.

 

[Viceregal]

Hypothetically if you thought you could crack the senior team during the season you might hold off on signing thinking you would get a better deal as eg a best 22 lock Dev Robbo than as a VFL-break-in-case-of-emergencies Dev Robbo...

 

[briztoon]

Fox Footy have reported we have offered Dev Robertson a two year contract, and that he rebuffed West Coasts attempts to get a meeting with him during the bye week.