Past #23: Ben McKay - gone to * as RFA - NMFC awarded Band 1 pick #3 compo

[Psicosis]

Sorry wasn't trying to suggest you're wrong, worded it badly. We may have, but we are playing smoke and mirrors.
100% we don't want the dude, and I suppose I just don't want a situation where us North folk think we've been rolled again.

I don’t profess to know whether we actually want him or not.

 

[northbergs]

” He definitely wants to be at North Melbourne”

Is that fact or speculation?


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[kool kangas]

Sorry wasn't trying to suggest you're wrong, worded it badly. We may have, but we are playing smoke and mirrors.
100% we don't want the dude, and I suppose I just don't want a situation where us North folk think we've been rolled again.

You're confusing me again TAO...is the "100% we dont want the dude" The North club or supporters which l am not 1 of who dont want the dude....

Maybe say something like " 100% some others and l (meaning you not me) dont want the dude' it sounds better...

 

[DunderHead]

Bullshit. If they were both 78 years old I'd take McKay.

McKay 128 avg meters gained 2023
May 412 avg meters gained 2023 second heighest for a KPD only behind Tom Stewart.

McKays avg is on par with Kayne Turner

May is an elite key defender. McKay is not. I don’t hate McKay but it was just a dumb statement to especially considering the different roles they play.

 

[Mav]

McKay 128 avg meters gained 2023
May 412 avg meters gained 2023 second heighest for a KPD only behind Tom Stewart.

McKays avg is on par with Kayne Turner

May is an elite key defender. McKay is not. I don’t hate McKay but it was just a dumb statement to especially considering the different roles they play.

You highlight meters gained and then say they completely different roles. Mmm OK!

Yes May is elite, he’s also 31. He’s going to slow down. He also has the assistance of elite defenders, mids and the best ruckman to kick to. He plays in a well drilled system where everyone is playing with great confidence.

As I said, McKay takes more intercept marks than him. If McKay improves other areas of his game, AFTER, a continuous preseason AND in an environment he is enjoying, then he I think he can get to a level where he is in the top 5 key defenders.

 

[Merlin007]

It just may be that McKay waited until Clarkson confirmed his return before making a decision. Just a guess, but I reckon if really Clarkson wants him to stay, then the negotiating instructions to the list management team will be to pay him (McKay) what it takes, and in the alternative, if McKay goes, it's because Clarkson is prepared for it

 

[Firebat]

It just may be that McKay waited until Clarkson confirmed his return before making a decision. Just a guess, but I reckon if really Clarkson wants him to stay, then the negotiating instructions to the list management team will be to pay him (McKay) what it takes, and in the alternative, if McKay goes, it's because Clarkson is prepared for it

Perhaps, but I think it’s purely down to the $$$. He’s been through a Covid impacted year and seen how his own brothers form can fluctuate. Imagine if Harry was a FA this year, his form would cost him 3 years and $2m!

Whoever offers Ben the most dosh will secure his loyal, ever trying services.

 

[kool kangas]

Perhaps, but I think it’s purely down to the $$$. He’s been through a Covid impacted year and seen how his own brothers form can fluctuate. Imagine if Harry was a FA this year, his form would cost him 3 years and $2m!

Whoever offers Ben the most dosh will secure his loyal, ever trying services.

North wont offer Ben the most at first but will be able to match it and then keep him if they want him...

 

[hilly]

North wont offer Ben the most at first but will be able to match it and then keep him if they want him...

Matching the offer doesn't mean he stays though.

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[King Corey]

Hope he stays still. Not that it means anything.

Draft is a crapshoot, he's a monster.

 

[kool kangas]

Matching the offer doesn't mean he stays though.

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He loves the club and all about it. Why would he then leave if he is happy there and is getting the same amount of money that was being offered elsewhere?

 

[JGreezy]

He loves the club and all about it. Why would he then leave if he is happy there and is getting the same amount of money that was being offered elsewhere?

He might want to play finals and not see this as a place that is happening in the next couple of years.

You can love a place and also recognise that its not the best place for your career advancement.

 

[pupstar]

I don’t profess to know whether we actually want him or not.

I suppose if we did offer him a contract we must want him but maybe not at any cost.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

He loves the club and all about it. Why would he then leave if he is happy there and is getting the same amount of money that was being offered elsewhere?

What Hilly is implying is that we can match the offer with no strong intent to keep but instead, to force the bidding club to the trade table. We might do that if the bid is insufficient for Band 1 compensation.

 

[DuckYeah]

I suppose if we did offer him a contract we must want him but maybe not at any cost.

Thats spot on. We wont pay overs for a ****ing spud. We may give long contracts to spuds but definitely not over paying them.

 

[LB2Snake]

What Hilly is implying is that we can match the offer with no strong intent to keep but instead, to force the bidding club to the trade table. We might do that if the bid is insufficient for Band 1 compensation.

I’m sure I wouldn’t be alone in not being at all confident in Brady’s ability to play poker here. Dildoro will run rings around him.

 

[Rod Stroker]

To say that we don't need him is silly. We don't have a queue of KPDs lining up to take his spot. I'd prefer that we kept him, but not at any cost.

This will be arguably Clarko's biggest challenge for the remainder of the year; convincing Ben to stay.

 

[kool kangas]

To say that we don't need him is silly. We don't have a queue of KPDs lining up to take his spot. I'd prefer that we kept him, but not at any cost.

This will be arguably Clarko's biggest challenge for the remainder of the year; convincing Ben to stay.

l thought it would have been whether to keep Howe or not...

 

[northbergs]

To say that we don't need him is silly. We don't have a queue of KPDs lining up to take his spot. I'd prefer that we kept him, but not at any cost.

This will be arguably Clarko's biggest challenge for the remainder of the year; convincing Ben to stay.

Agree. I feel some of the negative assessment of McKay’s talent and form on here is to ‘soften’ the psychological blow and protect egos if he leaves. We would be mad to let him go if we can keep him. Aside from Robbie Tarrant and Mick Martyn, McKay is the only key defender we have had on our books who can handle the ‘gorillas’ in 40 years! They’re just not easy to find, so unless we have an equivalent lined up from another club - we should be doing everything to keep him. If he wants to go - then we play as hard as possible to get the best deal for us.


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[Johnny99]

I’m sure I wouldn’t be alone in not being at all confident in Brady’s ability to play poker here. Dildoro will run rings around him.

But you don't understand......we hold all the aces......(like we did with the CCJ trade)....

 

[Lomas]

I’m sure I wouldn’t be alone in not being at all confident in Brady’s ability to play poker here. Dildoro will run rings around him.

Are we talking about the same bloke that has overseen a list that hasn’t won a final in 20 odd years? With that record, let him ‘win’.

 

[DunderHead]

You highlight meters gained and then say they completely different roles. Mmm OK!

Yes May is elite, he’s also 31. He’s going to slow down. He also has the assistance of elite defenders, mids and the best ruckman to kick to. He plays in a well drilled system where everyone is playing with great confidence.

As I said, McKay takes more intercept marks than him. If McKay improves other areas of his game, AFTER, a continuous preseason AND in an environment he is enjoying, then he I think he can get to a level where he is in the top 5 key defenders.

Yes because you pulled out comparison stats. I said they play different roles and pointed to the stat that makes May elite at his position. You were the one that called out the May comparison not me. I’m just the guy calling bullshit. Now you’ve moved away from your original point. Yeah McKay could end up being a decent KPD if everything goes right for him.

 

[Nylex]

To say that we don't need him is silly. We don't have a queue of KPDs lining up to take his spot. I'd prefer that we kept him, but not at any cost.

This will be arguably Clarko's biggest challenge for the remainder of the year; convincing Ben to stay.

I don’t get why some are happy to off load McKay or Thomas. At this stage we have about 15 good players out of 40. 2 of the better players are McKay and Thomas. We should be desperate to keep them both

 

[Mav]

Yes because you pulled out comparison stats. I said they play different roles and pointed to the stat that makes May elite at his position. You were the one that called out the May comparison not me. I’m just the guy calling bullshit. Now you’ve moved away from your original point. Yeah McKay could end up being a decent KPD if everything goes right for him.

You’re such a dunderhead. Why did I pull out the stats of May?

 

[JGreezy]

I don’t get why some are happy to off load McKay or Thomas. At this stage we have about 15 good players out of 40. 2 of the better players are McKay and Thomas. We should be desperate to keep them both

I'm not happy to offload them but I'm willing to accept that if its true that they don't want to be here then you need to make the best move that you can.