Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 6 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Doggy]

If anyone seriously thinks we will be giving up 3 x first round draft picks for pick 4 in this years draft, they do not know Sam Power very well.

Morris said 10, 17 and 36

 

[iambrilliant]

I’d be comfortable trading those picks to gc this year and bringing in Watson and Croft . Would be unreal if lual gets past 40

Bring in Watson Croft lual and Coffield and save next years first rounder for the best available mid

 

[Doggy]

I’d be comfortable trading those picks to gc this year and bringing in Watson and Croft . Would be unreal if lual gets passed 40

Bring in Watson Croft lual and Coffield and save next years first rounder for the best available mid

Need to pick up a defender somehow though

 

[iambrilliant]

Need to pick up a defender somehow though

I’d be trying to develop Croft as a defender would solve a lot of our issues

 

[doggies ftw]

Need to pick up a defender somehow though

Doesn’t look like there’s any options unfortunately - think we’re going in with what we have. I think there’s enough to work with, just start with either JOnes & JOD or those 2 & Darcy

 

[doggies ftw]

Cmon Blues! pick 15 could actually be a pretty substantial upgrade on 17/18 this year

 

[Doggy]

Cmon Blues! pick 15 could actually be a pretty substantial upgrade on 17/18 this year

Pick 16

 

[TedDougChris]

My very poorly considered view is that I would prefer us to take as many picks into the next two drafts, as we have so many gaps we need to fill. If we need an intercept defender, then try to grab a couple over the next few years, same with wingers and speedy midfielders. Get them competing for spots and develop them for the roles we need them to take.

That probably means we pass on some F/S selections, which might be problematic

 

[doggies ftw]

Pick 16

How’s it work do they get 16 cos they finished higher? I had in my head it was dependant on margin, which if they lose will likely be more than GWS

 

[Doggy]

How’s it work do they get 16 cos they finished higher? I had in my head it was dependant on margin, which if they lose will likely be more than GWS

Where they finish

 

[LittleG]

Pick 17 & Sweet for Ports F1 & pick 37.

Pick 4 & 78 for 36 and 2xF1(dogs & port).

That gives GC future picks which is what I hear they want.


Dogs then look to trade pick 10 & 37 to Bombers for pick 8. A two pick drop gives the bombers an extra second rounder to trade for whoever they are targeting this year. It makes sense for them as the slide is minimal and the pick is useful.

Dogs take picks 4 & 8 to the draft. But don’t have their future first, or any second or third round picks.

 

[ossie_21]

The deal I have heard is on the table is
Dogs in: Pick 4 and a future second
Suns: 10, 17 and a Future first.

That is absolutely disgusting for us.

Even worse when this is dealing with the same club that gave away Bowes & 7 for a future 3rd rounder.

 

[DueWest]

I really worry about his size considering we already have Daniel.

Plays a completely different position though and we do need a small that can crumb ?

He has good skills and fills a need but not as much as McKercher would

 

[Norm De Guerre]

My very poorly considered view is that I would prefer us to take as many picks into the next two drafts, as we have so many gaps we need to fill. If we need an intercept defender, then try to grab a couple over the next few years, same with wingers and speedy midfielders. Get them competing for spots and develop them for the roles we need them to take.

That probably means we pass on some F/S selections, which might be problematic

My equally ill considered view is that unless we truly stink it up over the next couple of seasons and fall to the bottom of the ladder. Then the only way to get into the elite end of the talent pool where gun mids swim is to be bold and do whatever the likes of Power consider to be reasonable to get there. What that is remains to be seen.

Bumping our arse on every rung in the middle of the ladder getting mid/late 1st, 2nd or 3rd round picks isn't going to get us there.

All that will do is slow our descent.

 

[VogonProsthetnic]

My equally ill considered view is that unless we truly stink it up over the next couple of seasons and fall to the bottom of the ladder. Then the only way to get into the elite end of the talent pool where gun mids swim is to be bold and do whatever the likes of Power consider to be reasonable to get there. What that is remains to be seen.

Bumping our arse on every rung in the middle of the ladder getting mid/late 1st, 2nd or 3rd round picks isn't going to get us there.

All that will do is slow our descent.

We just need to be patient.

Take our time and develop Busslinger, Clarke,mGarcia, West, Darcy, Jamarra, Smith, Cody, Gallagher, Cleary etc by putting them in their roles and accepting it’s going to take time.

Playing guys like McComb, Hannan, O’Brien, Gardiner, Scott etc ain’t getting us anywhere in 2 - 3 seasons.

 

[mattwa]

Where do we think Mckercher is going to go?

 

[Del203211]

Where do we think Mckercher is going to go?

I think north will take curtain and mckercher at 2 and 3.

 

[dergert]

Plays a completely different position though and we do need a small that can crumb ?

He has good skills and fills a need but not as much as McKercher would

There are decent options for small forwards around the second to third rounds. Jack Callinan is one I like.

What I want to know is if Watson has burst speed? That's the biggest thing we need in our midfield along with footskills.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

But what it does mean, is that we must really like someone, AND be confident of that player being available at that pick 4.

I think it means we are happy with Watson if McKercher isn't available

 

[Norm De Guerre]

We just need to be patient.

Take our time and develop Busslinger, Clarke,mGarcia, West, Darcy, Jamarra, Smith, Cody, Gallagher, Cleary etc by putting them in their roles and accepting it’s going to take time.

Playing guys like McComb, Hannan, O’Brien, Gardiner, Scott etc ain’t getting us anywhere in 2 - 3 seasons.

If this board is a microcosm of Bulldogs supporters and the club as a whole then we dont have the luxury of time.

The last couple of seasons have been a couple of 8" fire alarms making one hell of a racket.

As it stands Beveridge has the sword of Damocles is hanging over Beveridges head and this may encourage him and the club to make the bold move of going all in to bring a generational mid into the side. And given the subject at hand, that appears to be exactly were they're headed. Somebody who has the potential to leapfrog straight over the likes of West and Garcia and even Smith as next in line for midfield minutes and be the transformational mid that The Bont proved to be.

I agree wholeheartedly with your last line. We need to move beyond these kind of foot soldiers.

 

[TedDougChris]

My equally ill considered view is that unless we truly stink it up over the next couple of seasons and fall to the bottom of the ladder. Then the only way to get into the elite end of the talent pool where gun mids swim is to be bold and do whatever the likes of Power consider to be reasonable to get there. What that is remains to be seen.

Bumping our arse on every rung in the middle of the ladder getting mid/late 1st, 2nd or 3rd round picks isn't going to get us there.

All that will do is slow our descent.

Do our poorly considered views cancel out or multiply ?? I can’t remember how the maths works anymore ??

My view is that you can get good quality like Hollands, Weddle, Phillipou, Michalanney at mid range picks and two would add more than one. It helps gets rid of the trash at selections 18 - 22 each week

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Do our poorly considered views cancel out or multiply ?? I can’t remember how the maths works anymore ??

My view is that you can get good quality like Hollands, Weddle, Phillipou, Michalanney at mid range picks and two would add more than one. It helps gets rid of the trash at selections 18 - 22 each week

Beyond wasting time whilst I half watch a game that Im not invested in at all. None of this means anything.

You can get all sorts of players with later picks. But the further you get form the top handful of picks the bigger the risk of a bust.

12 months ago I would've said that Port hit the jackpot with this kind of recruiting with Rozzee at 5√ and a couple of mid late first rounders in Butters√ and Duursma. But the latter is looking more and more like a bust everyday.

All I know is that the last time we made truly bold recruitment/trade decision it delivered a cornerstone of our premiership.

That makes it ok to me if we go all in this year assuming that we have a generational mid in mind.

 

[TedDougChris]

Beyond wasting time whilst I half watch a game that Im not invested in at all. None of this means anything.

You can get all sorts of players with later picks. But the further you get form the top handful of picks the bigger the risk of a bust.

12 months ago I would've said that Port hit the jackpot with this kind of recruiting with Rozzee at 5√ and a couple of mid late first rounders in Butters√ and Duursma. But the later is looking more and more like a bust everyday.

All I know is that the last time we made truly bold recruitment/trade decision it delivered a cornerstone of our premiership.

That makes it ok to me if we go all in this year assuming that we have a generational mid in mind.

Understand that point of view, but sometimes in finals it’s the last spots on your list that are the ones that make or break it - and I can’t see Scott, McNeil, McComb and co ever getting to the level we need !

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Understand that point of view, but sometimes in finals it’s the last spots on your list that are the ones that make or break it - and I can’t see Scott, McNeil, McComb and co ever getting to the level we need !

Id never argue otherwise and I like argue.

 

[doggies ftw]

Do our poorly considered views cancel out or multiply ?? I can’t remember how the maths works anymore ??

My view is that you can get good quality like Hollands, Weddle, Phillipou, Michalanney at mid range picks and two would add more than one. It helps gets rid of the trash at selections 18 - 22 each week

hollands & Phillipou we’re 10 & 11 to be fair, if we keep our picks it’s likely 11 & a pick in the early 20s so not really the same.

With the drafting getting better and better you only really get stars with genuine top 5 picks unless you’re lucky, so I think pick 4 & a later pick (and Croft) is better than 11 & 20 odd IMO.

If we had the option for 2 picks around 10 as well as Croft that would be a little different