Rumour GFC 2023 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt II

[cats_09]

Yep, this is making an appearance here also, and probably getting more useful as the season draws to a close and this discussion ramps up

 

[petrolium]

Honestly think that Sav + F2 —> Lord + 24 is fair for both parties, all things considered

 

[BORIS332]

I think it’s 24 or Lord.

Realistically Lord was heading for delist territory six months ago and only his breakout QF has people interested in him.

I’d be happy to take him as he obviously addresses a huge need for us post-Hawkins but he’s far from a guaranteed 150+ gamer IMO.

That's not true at all. The below is from June:

Bassett went on to suggest the club holds big hopes for Lord.

“He was a pick 49, we hadn’t seen much of him, our recruiters hadn’t seen a lot of him during that 2020 COVID year and the improvement from where he started from to now is huge,” he continued.

“When you see guys improve as quick as that, you’ve got some real hope they’re going to be very good players at the end of it.”

Lord signed a one-year contract extension earlier this season to ensure he’ll be at Alberton in 2024.

Source

 

[dont stop me meow]

Plenty of talent around, Stephens would have been good for us, Harmes would have been good for us, Jordon would have been good for us, any ruckman would have been good for us, just because YOU dont like any of the players on offer doesnt mean they wouldnt help the team, i can tell you now id much rather Harmes in the side next year instead of Tuohy, he's absolutely cooked!!

Just because you do like them doesn't mean that they would, you get that right? Like are you serious wtf? Pack of has been's and never were's if I've ever seen one. The inflated sense of entitlement of some of our supporters have on here truly blows my mind.

 

[catswhiskers]

Our VFL team has become a graveyard for forwards as well. Not saying we have any talent anyway but f me the ball movement is terrible, Hawkins would struggle.

Yep. Neale looked a far better player to my eye in the AFL game he played late this season.

He even marked overhead.

In the VFL his main game in mat has I saw was to lead up. Probably sick of wobbly slow movement going deep into F50.

AFL presents to forwards advantage much more often and more quickly.

I like Lord. Even before his right place right time final , he showed sticky fingers in late season games and got under the ball a lot like the young Richmond ruck /forward whose name escapes me.



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[D BRIDGE]

Honestly think that Sav + F2 —> Lord + 24 is fair for both parties, all things considered

I'm not even convinced Lord is even worth our F2 so I'm not sure about that trade.

Lords SANFL stats are damning to me... Sure he can improve, but I think people are rating him on his one 4 goal game only.

Take that away and he is really battling.

In fairness to him, he did play well for those 4 goals but yeah that could be a real one-off, If we get him I'll be hoping like hell that it's just the start of a top career.

We may need our F2 to try to help snag a JUH, Cadman or Smith next year so I'd wanna hold or even build on our draft hand for next year and not weaken it.

Time will tell as per usual, but I like that we are not folding on this trade and always thought we wouldn't because it's on Port to get their man.

 

[Sire of Claude]

I endorse Grimoz - Stephens would have been perfect for us, young, classy, great left foot kick, could have played wing or half back.

As for Lord, no thanks - pick 24 might snag Charlie Edwards or the Tassie kid Schoenmaker. Shannon Neale's last AFL performance was good - 4 or 5 marks, some contested, a couple of classy deliveries. He is the future.

 

[moond0g]

Id be a little hesitant to drink the Ollie Lord bath water, had one good game but 23 goals in 35 SANFL games is pretty poor reading.

I agree, he's had one good game. If we can get 24 AND Lord, then sure (assuming we're not giving up much in return). But I'd rather take 24 than Lord.

Remember, yes he had a good game and kicked 4, but Francis Evans also had a good game and kicked 4 this year for Port...

 

[Jumping Jack]

I'll keep saying it, but Ollie Lord will not be at Geelong.

Let's find something else to discuss. I'm not even convinced the story has any merit, and it's come from one flimsy source with no confirmation from either clubs, player managers or the player himself.

Not sure why he'd even be a focus if we decided to extend Neale's contract. Not convinced on Neale but having both he and Lord on the list wouldn't make sense. And before people say Neale plays some time in the ruck..............No No No.

 

[Turbocat]

TR saying North should trade 15 and 18 for our p8 .... and at the same time constantly bleating on about how the draft drops away after 10? Numerically 15 and 18 will be more like 17 and 20 ... which although it doesn't affect the players we could pick it does indicate the relative gain in talent.. It would probably be similar to when we added Knevitt and Conway. Is that enough to trade away a chance at one kid in the top 10?

If we walk away with two of Charlie Edwards, Archer Reid, George Stevens , Caleb Windor , Harry DeMattia etc ....

Exactly what picks do North have next year. Maybe if the upgraded our Fr2 for their Fr2 ... something like that then the deals would be reasonable.

 

[Shadow89]

TR saying North should trade 15 and 18 for our p8 .... and at the same time constantly bleating on about how the draft drops away after 10? Numerically 15 and 18 will be more like 17 and 20 ... which although it doesn't affect the players we could pick it does indicate the relative gain in talent.. It would probably be similar to when we added Knevitt and Conway. Is that enough to trade away a chance at one kid in the top 10?

If we walk away with two of Charlie Edwards, Archer Reid, George Stevens , Caleb Windor , Harry DeMattia etc ....

Exactly what picks do North have next year. Maybe if the upgraded our Fr2 for their Fr2 ... something like that then the deals would be reasonable.

If they wanted 8, it'd be 15, 17 and 18 for 8 and a Future 2nd. The offers will be big on draft night.

 

[No Quarter]

Gotta admire this thread sometimes.

All those opposing trading in Lord, using descriptions of him that could simply be copy and pasted about Esava.
- "Flash in the pan" - "Hasn't showed much" - "Not sure he's gonna make it in AFL"

 

[BORIS332]

TR saying North should trade 15 and 18 for our p8 .... and at the same time constantly bleating on about how the draft drops away after 10? Numerically 15 and 18 will be more like 17 and 20 ... which although it doesn't affect the players we could pick it does indicate the relative gain in talent.. It would probably be similar to when we added Knevitt and Conway. Is that enough to trade away a chance at one kid in the top 10?

If we walk away with two of Charlie Edwards, Archer Reid, George Stevens , Caleb Windor , Harry DeMattia etc ....

Exactly what picks do North have next year. Maybe if the upgraded our Fr2 for their Fr2 ... something like that then the deals would be reasonable.

Pick 8 is definitely the cut-off this year. After that it gets very speculative. I'd much rather one of Sanders/Curtin/Caddy/O'Sullivan than any two of the next group.

 

[Warhorse]

Gotta admire this thread sometimes.

All those opposing trading in Lord, using descriptions of him that could simply be copy and pasted about Esava.
- "Flash in the pan" - "Hasn't showed much" - "Not sure he's gonna make it in AFL"

Except Lord has failed as a backline player at reserves level

 

[No Quarter]

Given the position we are in with our list, given what North are currently brewing, given that Tassie is the future drain on resource, it would be silly in my opinion for us not to trade out our first pick for 2-3 slightly later picks.

At best, every pick you take is speculative.

For every Clayton Oliver

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at pick 4, there is Josh Schache

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at pick 2, Tom De Koning

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at pick 30 etc.

If we used 8 to net us 2-3 picks inside 30, there is every chance that more than one player becomes good, if not great, but also good enough to potentially net us more down the track if they want out for whatever reason, which may be important when it comes time for a compromised draft when Tassie arrives.

There's pick 10 for Nakia, when if you had the foresight to trade pick 10 for two top 25 picks, if it were possible, that could have netted you at least one player that was more reliable for a longer period of time than Nakia.

 

[D BRIDGE]

Gotta admire this thread sometimes.

All those opposing trading in Lord, using descriptions of him that could simply be copy and pasted about Esava.
- "Flash in the pan" - "Hasn't showed much" - "Not sure he's gonna make it in AFL"

Are you referring to a young Sav or the one that was coming 2nd in our BnF halfway through the year before he got injured?

 

[No Quarter]

Except Lord has failed as a backline player at reserves level

He's 21 v Esava being 25. There's time, if the Cats rate him.

 

[No Quarter]

Are you referring to a young Sav or the one that was coming 2nd in our BnF halfway through the year before he got injured?

I think if I were to go back through our autopsy threads for this year, I will find far more against Esava than for.

 

[Shadow89]

Given the position we are in with our list, given what North are currently brewing, given that Tassie is the future drain on resource, it would be silly in my opinion for us not to trade out our first pick for 2-3 slightly later picks.

At best, every pick you take is speculative.

For every Clayton Oliver at pick 4, there is Josh Schache at pick 2, Tom De Koning at pick 30 etc.

If we used 8 to net us 2-3 picks inside 30, there is every chance that more than one player becomes good, if not great, but also good enough to potentially net us more down the track if they want out for whatever reason, which may be important when it comes time for a compromised draft when Tassie arrives.

There's pick 10 for Nakia, when if you had the foresight to trade pick 10 for two top 25 picks, if it were possible, that could have netted you at least one player that was more reliable for a longer period of time than Nakia.

This is a different sort of draft though. The 2014 draft was an awful one, and probably one of the worst in recent memory. It's widely accepted that there are around 10 players who could be considered 'elite' and the rest is a crapshoot. Even if we could pick the eyes out of it, the offer to get into that bracket would have to be really decent, considering just how much more highly rated these elite kids are - versus the rest of the draft.

 

[Shadow89]

I like Lord. Even before his right place right time final , he showed sticky fingers in late season games and got under the ball a lot like the young Richmond ruck /forward whose name escapes me.



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[No Quarter]

This is a different sort of draft though. The 2014 draft was an awful one, and probably one of the worst in recent memory. It's widely accepted that there are around 10 players who could be considered 'elite' and the rest is a crapshoot. Even if we could pick the eyes out of it, the offer to get into that bracket would have to be really decent, considering just how much more highly rated these elite kids are - versus the rest of the draft.

Fair call, though I don't seem to ever hear much anymore about 'good drafts'. For whatever reason that may be, so be it

There is an unknown in no matter what you do, with the prospect of one single high draft pick always having the risk of a serious injury. I'm just an advocate for increasing your odds, with more picks etc.

 

[Shadow89]

I'll keep saying it, but Ollie Lord will not be at Geelong.

Let's find something else to discuss. I'm not even convinced the story has any merit, and it's come from one flimsy source with no confirmation from either clubs, player managers or the player himself.

Not sure why he'd even be a focus if we decided to extend Neale's contract. Not convinced on Neale but having both he and Lord on the list wouldn't make sense. And before people say Neale plays some time in the ruck..............No No No.

Hang on, hang on, you can't profess to have all this inside knowledge, and then tell everyone they can't discuss what multiple actual news outlets are reporting/discussing. If this was your own info and then we turned around and said 'I'm not convinced that this story has any merit, it's come from a flimsy source with no confirmation from anyone', that wouldn't go down well would it? It's a little bit much to ask us to only trust what you say, but then not trust what anyone else says - that's Trump'esque.

I agree that I don't think Lord will be at Geelong, as Port has no reason to let him go given he's in contract. I have no idea if what you've said is true or not, and have no reason to doubt you or the media report, as there has long been whispers that we are interested in him/we seemingly weren't interested in him at draft time. We obviously do not rate this draft at all, and think our end of draft picks will be enough to snare whoever we want given the lack of depth - hence why it's now being reported that we're wanting a particular player to fill a future need, rather than a speculative pick.

With this said, I reckon PO has got it spot on and this is just us doing our dance seeing if he's interested and then laying the groundwork for him to come home next year. If he isn't, we'll say 'thanks very much' and take a slight pick upgrade on 24 like the Jordan Clark trade. If he is and Port won't release him, then we'll say 'thank you very much, give us the picks and we'll see you next year Ollie.'

You seem to doubt anything that you haven't heard personally. Even when I posted info about Parfitt staying and being told he knows he needs to work on his transition and two way running, you still weren't convinced. A week later, his manager confirmed that exact sentiment in an interview and confirmed Parfitt was staying.

If you do have inside info, that's great and we appreciate it. What you can't keep doing though, is dismissing everything that doesn't align with your POV or your info. There are multiple different sources of info that appear through this forum - some from the media. some from talking heads with no idea, and some from genuine reputable insiders -, it's not your place to determine who or what any individual poster determines as being 'reputable' or not.

If it turns out to be BS, good job getting the inside word early and thanks for letting us know. If it turns out to be true and someone like Mack or Davies confirms it, then I'd hope you'd admit you got that wrong. This is a place of many different opinions and ideas though, and it's not for any one person to determine what we should/shouldn't be talking about - as long as it's on topic and not rude/personal of course.

TL; DR Let people discuss ideas freely, and have an open perspective yourself. After all, that's what this forum is for. Nothing wrong with disagreeing, but it's not your place to tell others what they can discuss - even if you think it's all BS. You never know, you might just learn something yourself.

 

[D BRIDGE]

Fair call, though I don't seem to ever hear much anymore about 'good drafts'. For whatever reason that may be, so be it

There is an unknown in no matter what you do, with the prospect of one single high draft pick always having the risk of a serious injury. I'm just an advocate for increasing your odds, with more picks etc.

I'd be happy losing 8 for three picks 20ish or just under... but any pick at 30 is just too far out to rate and is just about a nothing pick in this draft, especially after bids.

In saying that, if Sanders was avail at our pick I'd much rather just take him... So we will just have to wait until draft night because unless we are offered something really good for it now, I just think it's more likely a trade will be done on draft night after seeing what player/s are still on the board come our pick.

 

[Footy Smarts]

This is a different sort of draft though. The 2014 draft was an awful one, and probably one of the worst in recent memory. It's widely accepted that there are around 10 players who could be considered 'elite' and the rest is a crapshoot. Even if we could pick the eyes out of it, the offer to get into that bracket would have to be really decent, considering just how much more highly rated these elite kids are - versus the rest of the draft.

Yep. Basically to give up our pick we need a top end future pick. Picks outside the top 10-12 in this draft are steak knives and nothing more.

 

[No Quarter]

Yep. Basically to give up our pick we need a top end future pick. Picks outside the top 10-12 in this draft are steak knives and nothing more.

I just think that to simply state that anything 12+ will be useless is ignorant.

Personally, I still can't believe that the only way to judge a players future is simply how he presents at 17/18yo. It is still so immature. Some kids might have the physical ability, but may lack the mental fortitude to apply it for another few years yet.

 

[Del216647]

FWIW, Sam Edmund on SEN just said Lord has absolutely no interest in returning to Victoria and Port wouldn't trade him if he did.

He said to put a line through it and was quite firm about it.