List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread II - Goldy&Bucket➡️✅/'24 EoFR & #44➡️Stephens&#25✅/#21&#25➡️Fisher&#17✅/'24 EoFR➡️#18✅

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[TennisPlayerAndy]

I'm sure it wasn't irrelevant when we originally offered 42 and Carlton refused, saying they wanted something in the twenties. Lo and behold, we came back with an offer that puts the value on him to be equivalent to 31.

They were happy to lose him and move back four selections and gain another selection close by.

What it’s equivalent to is of no consequence to where those picks are situated.

 

[groo]

Phil Davis was talking about the pressure too many young kids coming in at once can cause on the development staff. Thought it was an interesting take. I wouldn't really be wanting to bring in more than 4 kids through the ND

Taking 4 or 5 young players in is different to what Phil experienced. They took about 20 in at the one time.

 

[Tas]

As great as it would be to get Reid, we could solve all our list issues on draft night with the picks we currently have.

If we're about the we and not the me, surely this makes the most sense.

The Pies just won a premiership playing as a cohesive team, please tell me that Wardlaw, Sheezel, and LDU can't be the equal of or better than the Daicos brothers and DeGoey who are likely their best players.

You need more than talent to win a flag or even a game of footy. Our biggest issue is the lack of pressure, too many basic errors and lack of ball retention, we would subtract 3-5 goals a game if we pressured well, would kick 3-5 more goals if we used the ball better. We didn't lose a lot of games by a lot more than 6-10 goals.

if we improved by a net 6 goals a game that would be 12 or so losses this year that could have flipped and another 3 or so losses at the higher end, it would also eliminate the blowouts if we cut out the majority of the basic errors.

it isn't the top end of the talent that is the problem, clubs usually play 32-35 players in a season. It is the second tier and the depth that is the difference. When the ball hits the ground, Pies have all sorts of players not in their top 10-15 that are applying pressure. We have too many guys that are very light bodied, aren't fast, aren't aggressive, don't tackle a lot, don't apply the heat so it is much easier for opposition to move the ball around.

 

[Better Loosen Up]

Phil Davis was talking about the pressure too many young kids coming in at once can cause on the development staff. Thought it was an interesting take. I wouldn't really be wanting to bring in more than 4 kids through the ND

Yep. So picks 2,3,7 and 8. Lock it in!

 

[giantroo]

Geelong also has pick 8 in the national draft and has been besieged by offers from clubs, including North Melbourne, to secure that valued top-10 pick.

If the Roos could secure that selection they would have picks 2, 3 and 8 and could then offer West Coast at least two top-10 selections in the national draft as a foundation for a package for the No.1 overall pick.

North currently has picks 2, 3, 15, 17, 18 and could even hand over two of those teens selections for No. 8 to get back into the top 10 of the draft.

GWS (pick 7) and Essendon (9) are also being asked about trading out their picks and could consider it if the deals are favourable.

 

[Liam Boy]

Yep. So picks 2,3,7 and 8. Lock it in!

I don't understand how people are getting to these outcomes but boy would that be nice

 

[Better Loosen Up]

I don't understand how people are getting to these outcomes but boy would that be nice

As long as we don't then go selling half of them off for Reid...

 

[kool kangas]

The biggest issue l see here is: people dont know how many picks Brady wants to take to the Draft..

If he wants 3 then we go after Pick#1. > #2, #15, #17, #18 could be used which is way overs but would get it and end up with 1,2,3

If he wants 4 then we go after Geelongs or GWS 1st pick offer 2 of > #15, #17, #18 end up with 2,3,8 and the 1 remaining pick or

We could even go after GWS with the remaining pick and end up with 2,3,7,8 plus Haynes

If he wants 5 then he puts up the "DO NOT DISTURB" sign..

l'm more liking the 2,3,7,and 8 option...

 

[Hearts to hearts]

Taking 4 or 5 young players in is different to what Phil experienced. They took about 20 in at the one time.

The principle stands I think if we take in 4 or 5 every year for three years - they all need a lot of attention and development.

 

[jaspers_barber]

The biggest issue l see here is: people dont know how many picks Brady wants to take to the Draft..

If he wants 3 then we go after Pick#1. > #2, #15, #17, #18 could be used which is way overs but would get it and end up with 1,2,3

If he wants 4 then we go after Geelongs or GWS 1st pick offer 2 of > #15, #17, #18 end up with 2,3,8 and the 1 remaining pick or

We could even go after GWS with the remaining pick and end up with 2,3,7,8 plus Haynes

If he wants 5 then he puts up the "DO NOT DISTURB" sign..

l'm more liking the 2,3,7,and 8 option...

But it begs the question what do you want on your list, Turner & Mahoney? Or two draft picks in the 2nd/3rd round? We may cut more

 

[Joshen]

I love the amount of picks we have in the first round, but I wonder about the merit in bringing in so many youngsters at the same time.

Stretches the development team who already have a young list to support.

 

[Moti]

Cats are mental for turning away pick 24 for a guy that isn't in their best 22

Three way trade with Roos incoming. (theory only)

 

[hellas_johnny]

Delist bonar and mahoney gives us 7 senior spots. Then we get biggy and Pink which leaves us with 5 senior list spots. Guess it'll then depend on what other targets we may have

 

[koshari]

I love the amount of picks we have in the first round, but I wonder about the merit in bringing in so many youngsters at the same time.

Stretches the development team who already have a young list to support.

doubt we would be bringing in more youngsters than we would anyway, they just would be better picks rather than rookies.

 

[StiffArm]

Are you calling me a nuffie


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If you can't see a team that has finished bottom two the last 4 years needing to turn over more than 3 list spots in the draft, then maybe?

Are you calling you a nuffie?

 

[prodigalson]

The fact that Simpson and HR are yet to speak is pretty telling of West Coasts intentions. Harley confirmed this during his SEN interview and they have since published an article quoting him on this.

Well either that or the Eagles are going about things in an unprofessional manner.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

The biggest issue l see here is: people dont know how many picks Brady wants to take to the Draft..

If he wants 3 then we go after Pick#1. > #2, #15, #17, #18 could be used which is way overs but would get it and end up with 1,2,3

If he wants 4 then we go after Geelongs or GWS 1st pick offer 2 of > #15, #17, #18 end up with 2,3,8 and the 1 remaining pick or

We could even go after GWS with the remaining pick and end up with 2,3,7,8 plus Haynes

If he wants 5 then he puts up the "DO NOT DISTURB" sign..

l'm more liking the 2,3,7,and 8 option...

At some point, other clubs will resist the outcome of North going to the draft with 2, 3, 7, and 8. We might get three of them, but the offer for the 4th would be rejected out of fear of the monster they'd be helping to create.

 

[year of the roo]

The biggest issue l see here is: people dont know how many picks Brady wants to take to the Draft..

If he wants 3 then we go after Pick#1. > #2, #15, #17, #18 could be used which is way overs but would get it and end up with 1,2,3

If he wants 4 then we go after Geelongs or GWS 1st pick offer 2 of > #15, #17, #18 end up with 2,3,8 and the 1 remaining pick or

We could even go after GWS with the remaining pick and end up with 2,3,7,8 plus Haynes

If he wants 5 then he puts up the "DO NOT DISTURB" sign..

l'm more liking the 2,3,7,and 8 option...

Nah that's not the consideration at all IMO. You trade into the best position you can regardless of how many picks that might be. If you need to delist and re-rookie someone (or 2) to make that happen, then you do it.

 

[shinboner magic]

Weagles muppets read my avatar and go forth n multiply

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

The fact that Simpson and HR are yet to speak is pretty telling of West Coasts intentions. Harley confirmed this during his SEN interview and they have since published an article quoting him on this.

Well either that or the Eagles are going about things in an unprofessional manner.

Unless they sent their next coach to speak to Reid. Maybe told his manager there's no point talking to Simmo, he'll be gone in a year.

 

[shinboner magic]

At some point, other clubs will resist the outcome of North going to the draft with 2, 3, 7, and 8. We might get three of them, but the offer for the 4th would be rejected out of fear of the monster they'd be helping to create.

Clubs are selfish and only worry about what they can get for themselves

 

[koshari]

The principle stands I think if we take in 4 or 5 every year for three years - they all need a lot of attention and development.

gotta rotate em thru, the exception should be ruckmen, far better plucking a 2nd ruck from other teams. instead of the congaline of project ruckman we seem to always have clogging spots. case in point, goldie went for nix or grundy for a late pick this year.

 

[koshari]

Clubs are selfish and only worry about what they can get for themselves

clubs should operate that way.

 

[giantroo]

Biggy's manager was on trade radio - 2mins in

 

[Tas]

I love the amount of picks we have in the first round, but I wonder about the merit in bringing in so many youngsters at the same time.

Stretches the development team who already have a young list to support.

Highly skilled juniors I would imagine would need fewer resources than plodders, potatoes and players with no drive to improve themselves. You can't just have kids, it is why we bring in guys like Logue, Fisher, Stephens, etc because our senior group was severely lacking.