Rumour GFC 2023 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt II

[cats_09]

Yep, this is making an appearance here also, and probably getting more useful as the season draws to a close and this discussion ramps up

 

[D BRIDGE]

Hawkins signs on for one year… shock horror!

 

[fpm84]

But Port Adelaide may demand a future draft pick or selection from this year’s draft from Essendon in the Duursma deal to help bolster the Power’s bid for Geelong key defender Esava Ratugolea

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Esava Ratugolea

Age

27

Ht

197cm

Wt

108kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.6

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.2

4star

MG

131.6

2star

D

8.1

2star

K

4.3

2star

HB

3.9

3star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.5

3star

MG

109.0

2star

D

9.2

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.2

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

133.8

3star

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The Cats have rejected Port’s first offer of pick 24 as part of a brief conversation which threatens to test the patience of list bosses at both clubs.

Port Adelaide may need another pick from Essendon in the Duursma deal to give to Geelong if it helps Port either climb the draft ladder or package them both up to try to satisfy the Cats for Ratugolea.

But Geelong has made it clear it wants a pick in the first round or key forward Ollie Lord.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/port-adelaide/port-adelaide-trade-news-essendons-plans-for-a-straight-brandon-zerkthatcher-for-xavier-duursma-swap-continue/news-story/3d5512ef2fd0549a68f0ab4ee2111ba2

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Hawkins signs for one.

 

[BORIS332]

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/port-adelaide/port-adelaide-trade-news-essendons-plans-for-a-straight-brandon-zerkthatcher-for-xavier-duursma-swap-continue/news-story/3d5512ef2fd0549a68f0ab4ee2111ba2

Essendon only has 9, 31, 52, and 73. I don't see how this gets us a first-round pick. Essendon aren't giving up pick 9, and even if they give up 31, Port won't be able to package 25 & 31 to get a first-round pick now that Gold Coast, Hawthorn and Bulldogs have all got ahead of their academy and F/S bids.

 

[year of the cat]

Essendon only has 9, 31, 52, and 73. I don't see how this gets us a first-round pick. Essendon aren't giving up pick 9, and even if they give up 31, Port won't be able to package 25 & 31 to get a first-round pick now that Gold Coast, Hawthorn and Bulldogs have all got ahead of their academy and F/S bids.

Just accept 25 plus 31.

 

[FootyLad0]

Just accept 25 plus 31.

Could we then flip 25 and 31 for a pick in the teens? I’d be all over that.

Take 8 and a pick in the teens to the draft.

 

[No Quarter]

Could we then flip 25 and 31 for a pick in the teens? I’d be all over that.

Take 8 and a pick in the teens to the draft.

BuT iTs NoT PiCK 8

 

[Mr Meow]

Just accept 25 plus 31.

This would work. 1360 points, so about pick 11 in points. We might get something in the teens for that.

 

[Romeoh1]

Go Tommy!

 

[BORIS332]

The latest rumour is North will take Duursma and Curtin at picks 2 & 3, which could mean McKercher slides a bit - probably only as far as the Bulldogs at pick 5.

Also, Melbourne keen to move up the order to get Watson, but if they can't they're keen on Sanders at pick 6.

 

[BORIS332]

This would work. 1360 points, so about pick 11 in points. We might get something in the teens for that.

No clubs need draft points anymore. Gold Coast (Walter, Read, Rogers), Bulldogs (Croft), and Hawthorn (McCabe) are all sorted now.

 

[SkittleCats]

Just accept 25 plus 31.

No, Port can get 31 from Ess and then package it up for a better pick themselves.

Why should we have to do that work when it may not come off? If it doesnt we end up with trash tier picks that once you account for academy selections etc will both be in the 30's.

The club is right to ask for a first round pick or Ollie Lord. Thats fair. We arent being difficult, we are valuing Sav fairly. If 25 and 31 can be packaged up for a low first round pick then Port know what they have to do.

 

[Two Planks]

Just accept 25 plus 31.

We are not getting 25 and 31 for Ratagolea

 

[Mr Meow]

No clubs need draft points anymore. Gold Coast (Walter, Read, Rogers), Bulldogs (Croft), and Hawthorn (McCabe) are all sorted now.

But if 24 and 31 are around 11-15 in value and that's what the Cats rate Esava at, it's still a useful reference point. Then maybe shuffle future picks after that.

It'd be a case of "Pick 24 isn't enough", "Well pick 24 + 31 is too much" and the onus is on them to come up with something in between.

 

[BORIS332]

But if 24 and 31 are around 11-15 in value and that's what the Cats rate Esava at, it's still a useful reference point.

No. Draft points are only relevant for matching bids. They're not "the value of the pick", they're just a mechanism to enable bid matching.

Pick 18 (985pts) is a first-round pick, would we accept picks 45, 46 and 47 (347+331+316 = 994pts)?

Claiming picks 24 and 31 equal the same value as pick 11 is nonsense.

 

[Turbocat]

Just accept 25 plus 31.

If Port are asking Ess for a future for BZT... is Ports Fr2 better than 31 even if we have to give our Fr3 for example?

 

[Interdimensional Bigfoot]

TWO YEARS, Jesus the dude will drag his body onto the oval to keep playing. We badly need young KPF in that time so they will be ready when he hangs it up, wonder if we can entice Cadman to come back?

His biggest attribute has always been his strength even at his age he'll monster most defenders.

 

[Goggin Our Best]

The club is right to ask for a first round pick or Ollie Lord. Thats fair. We arent being difiicult, we are valuing Sav fairly. If 25 and 31 can be packaged up for a low first round pick then Port know what they have to do.

It would be great if someone could get him to say something either good or bad in relation to his future

Like - yes i could entertain returning to Geel - the club my grandfather won a Brownlow Medal at in the early 60s

Or no - im very happy in SA playing with my mates at Port Ade - and we have got unfinished business etc

I posted before a straight swap - Lord for Esava is a great deal for the Cats

Esava towards the latter half of the season just gone when JH and SDK were back in the side - Esava got squeezed out for a few weeks - so he is hardly a walk up start - best 22 at Geel

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I will truly be rooting against Essendon next season.

It'll just be hella funny if they don't fire a shot and miss the 8 after bringing in McKay, Goldy & Gresham.

They are topping up like they have lost a prelim by 1 point for the last two years.

Putting the icing on the cake... Only issue is they don't have an actual cake to ice (well that's what I'm hoping).

Just for a good old fashioned lol... I hope they have a shocker.

I would call it stabilising the listing ship rather than topping up

 

[Kobe Gryant]

But if 24 and 31 are around 11-15 in value and that's what the Cats rate Esava at, it's still a useful reference point. Then maybe shuffle future picks after that.

It'd be a case of "Pick 24 isn't enough", "Well pick 24 + 31 is too much" and the onus is on them to come up with something in between.

I like the approach. Mackie's doing his best Toby Maguire Spider-Man impression: "I missed the part where that's my problem".

It's not on us to turn 24 and 31 into a first rounder if we've already been clear in asking for a first round pick (Or Lord) the whole time. That's Port's problem.

Are we being stubborn? Absolutely, but nobody can say Geelong haven't been clear on this from the start.

 

[Mr Meow]

No. Draft points are only relevant for matching bids. They're not "the value of the pick", they're just a mechanism to enable bid matching.

Pick 18 (985pts) is a first-round pick, would we accept picks 45, 46 and 47 (347+331+316 = 994pts)?

Claiming picks 24 and 31 equal the same value as pick 11 is nonsense.

Fair enough, I'm not nuanced on every rule. There's absolutely no need to be rude about it. What are picks 25 and 31 worth in your estimation, so that we can end this conversation on a productive note?

 

[Goggin Our Best]

Are we being stubborn? Absolutely, but nobody can say Geelong haven't been clear on this from the start.

I thought it was a hell of alot clearer when S Wells was calling the shots - 2 examples

Brett Deledio - when he wanted to join Geel - SW said right from the start - wed love to have Brett at the club - but i think we will really stuggle to get a deal get done

And Kelly at the end of year one when he wanted to leave - Wells said clearly unless we get fair compensation then we are holding Tim to the contract

SW - would go on that trade radio show and give updates - and you clearly know where and what Geel planned to do

With Mackie - champion player - delight to watch - but i allways thought he came accross as a bit smug - arrogant - smart aarse type

 

[Vivy]

If Port are asking Ess for a future for BZT... is Ports Fr2 better than 31 even if we have to give our Fr3 for example?

Port can offer up their FR2 or Fremantle's FR2 currently as I understand it.

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[BORIS332]

Fair enough, I'm not nuanced on every rule. There's absolutely no need to be rude about it. What are picks 25 and 31 worth in your estimation, so that we can end this conversation on a productive note?

Apologies for coming across rude, that wasn't my intention.

Picks 25 & 31 are worth picks 25 & 31. And in this year's draft that's not worth much at all. Mackie's asked for a first-round pick, which may seem like overs, but not all drafts are equal and there are some fairly ordinary players being talked about as top 20 picks this year. Anything after pick 20 is a hail Mary.

I may have my Geelong-coloured goggles on, but I agree with Mackie.

 

[BORIS332]

I thought it was a hell of alot clearer when S Wells was calling the shots - 2 examples

Brett Deledio - when he wanted to join Geel - SW said right from the start - wed love to have Brett at the club - but i think we will really stuggle to get a deal get done

And Kelly at the end of year one when he wanted to leave - Wells said clearly unless we get fair compensation then we are holding Tim to the contract

SW - would go on that trade radio show and give updates - and you clearly know where and what Geel planned to do

With Mackie - champion player - delight to watch - but i allways thought he came accross as a bit smug - arrogant - smart aarse type

I don't see how Mackie hasn't been just as clear as Wells previously had. He's said from the start he wanted a first-round pick for Esava. He's also said he'd trade out pick 8 if we got an offer lopsided in our favour.