Rumour GFC 2023 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt II

[cats_09]

Yep, this is making an appearance here also, and probably getting more useful as the season draws to a close and this discussion ramps up

 

[Shadow89]

Well that was kind of an idiotic trade hold out, lol. Oh well, at least it's over!

 

[rocker_oz33]

Mackie is about to be on Trade Radio. You can tune in on the AFL website.

Rather put pins in my eye .
Or ride on a seat less bike .

Than listen to trade radios

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Mackie worse than Adrian Dodoro

Mackie is a triple premiership player. How many has Dodo won?

 

[RobJD]

Cats traded Esava for #25 #76 #94
I was hoping they could get Lord in the deal

You got close, most of us let out an "Oh my Lord!"

 

[Tristan34]

They still paid overs even if it was just 25...

 

[moond0g]

I think we'll trade them to another club for points .

Gut feel

they're not worth any points

 

[fpm84]

Seems most of the rumored deals are already done ie Sav, Ginnivan, Soldo, any surprises lurking in the last two hours?

 

[MacStradbroke]

I think Sav is a spud. Port have gone all in with average players and wasted 3 years of draft picks. It'll backfire.

Shit, I was just about to post that I am the only supporter (in here) happy with this trade. Sav is an extremely ordinary player, Geelong are a much better outfit when he is not in the side. If we can utilise 25 on a decent prospect then I am more than happy with the result. The other picks, whoopee.

 

[rocker_oz33]

they're not worth any points

Glad I'm not running things .

Trade Numpty rocker .

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Just glad that's over with. Onto the draft, where everybody becomes junior footy experts for one month of the year.

 

[Lana]

they're not worth any points

On draft day they probably will be.

 

[Tristan34]

So is this what it's like being a Norf supporter.. I feel a little embarrassed.. LoL

 

[rocker_oz33]

On draft day they probably will be.

Wow rocker might be right.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

As it stands we have 33 on the main list, so we have to add a minimum of three players at the draft, maximum of five. The only thing this trade has done is move our third pick forward 11 selections - though most of the selections in between 76 & 87 will probably be passes anyway.

I doubt any picks after 73 (the cutoff for where picks are worth points get used). Probably only 55 live picks in the draft max.

 

[numbwombat]

Disappointed we caved. I would have wanted the fr2 richmond got and nor 25 because i dont rate this draft.
Unless we have some other trade planned i dont see the point of picks 76 and 94 as we had picks in the 80s/100s that will come into the 50s anyway and i doubt we use more than 3-4 picks so those are picks we wont use unless we are ontrading them.

We have to take 7 players, don't we? (Unless there are some late trade-ins)

Replacing Ceglar, Smith, Menegola, Simpson, Whyte, Riccardi, Ratugolea. Presumably at least Dempsey, maybe Clohesy and Mullin get promoted? But that won't change the total number of players drafted, it just means drafting rookies.

TBH the number of picks we're choosing to take (instead of holding onto the younger delistings, or recruiting more delisted FAs) makes me wonder if Wells/Mackie share the view that this is a shallow draft. Maybe see it as a decent draft pool with less confidently identified talent than normal, after players lost a couple of mid-teen years because of COVID.

 

[BlakeyNoFlakey]

 

[Pure_Ownage]

On draft day they probably will be.

Minimally..they might end up being worth like 200pts after gc amd wbd match bids.

 

[SkittleCats]

Again I ask - what should he have done differently? What is the was the outcome you were looking for?

You are seriously gnashing your teeth over a fairly inconsequential trade.

Im not sure how you can characterize any trade as inconsequential to be honest? Im sure there were some on here who thought drafting Tim Kelly was probably going to end up in nothing, but 3 years later that pick and the following trades that resulted from it ended up in Jezza Cameron. All trades should be considered within the bigger picture of where the club is and where it wants to be. In that frame no trade is truly inconsequential.

Hindsight is wonderful i know, but we should be asking how the club can be so publicly enthusiastic about a player like Sav, but only signed him to a 2 year deal in 2021, it seems like a big contradiction to me. Why not sign him to a longer deal that made him a Free Agent the next time he came out of contract? At least then you guarantee some compensation if he moves, which if it were this year for example we'd now have pick 9.

Beyond that, if his value to us was a first round pick then that is what we shouldve pushed Port to facilitate. Did the club have that value in mind when they couldve traded him last year, and was it more achieveable to get that then than now? Allowing Sav to play out his contract essentially ties the clubs hands behind its back. We have no room to negotiate when a player is out of contract, so what did they think theyd get in return for him this year that wasnt on the table last year? From an outside perspective the extra year appears to have gained us nothing except helping to develop a player we knew was heading to Port at the end of the year.

If the issue was game time for Sav last year, could it have been possible for the club to convince him to go somewhere other than Port while he was still contracted? In that case, we may have got something better for him (im speculating here i know).

As others have said, the "steak knives" we got here makes no sense, and practically speaking doesnt improve our draft hand much at all, as they will be picks we probably wont use anyway. So either you think the club is happy with 25 for Sav (it clearly isnt) or the only other conclusion you can come to is this particular trade has so far been mismanaged, as we have lost a valued player for less than he is worth to us.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Sav prob takes 13 intercept marks vs us next year...

 

[Oisin_the_Goat]

Two nothing picks is still two picks more than we would've got if Mackie folded. Could be handy filling up our empty list spots.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Can you answer my question please Pure_Ownage?

 

[Lana]

Minimally..they might end up being worth like 200pts after gc amd wbd match bids.

Looking at the picks available there isn't any obvious opporutnities to trade up, that being said when GC matches their bids it will create picks after their pick 38, that we might be able to push towards.

 

[moond0g]

Two nothing picks is still two picks more than we would've got if Mackie folded. Could be handy filling up our empty list spots.

are we seriously spinning the hardline approach as a win? we could have accepted 25 a week ago

 

[Mattlock]

Crikey that man is attractive...

 

[year of the cat]

Crikey that man is attractive...

I’m sure Cal would be flattered.