List Mgmt. 2023 Draft/Trade/FA thread

[Scythe]

Seems a good time to pin this:


OOC players:

• Michael Hibberd (retired)
• Deakyn Smith (delisted)
• Andy Moniz-Wakefield
• Jake Melksham (delisted, will be re-drafted as a rookie)
• Luke Dunstan (retired)
• James Jordon (signed with Sydney as a Free Agent)
• Kye Turner (delisted)

Traded out:

• James Harmes (Bulldogs)
• Brodie Grundy (Sydney)

Traded in:

• Tom Fullarton (Brisbane)
• Jack Billings (St Kilda)
• Shane McAdam (Adelaide)

Drafted:

• Caleb Windsor (Pick 7)
• Koltyn Tholstrup (Pick 13)
• Kynan Brown (Rookie)

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Can absolutely see where you’re both coming from RE: KPF but his Lisfranc injury is pretty bad, I’d be surprised if he has any real impact in 2024 and whilst showing some signs I think he’s overrated as a forward. Crows aren’t offering pick 10 next year if he’s OOC and as I’ve said before, Pick 10 IMO would have bought someone like Tom Lynch if there’s substance to those rumours. In saying that I hope Petty can get on the park and have a decent run at it, but I still feel this will be seen as a missed opportunity in 12 months. 6,10 and 11 might have been enough for Harley, we’ll never know.

Doesnt sound like Lynch's foot is in any better shape than Petty's and hes in his 30's. Would be stupid to do that deal.

 

[Scythe]

Can absolutely see where you’re both coming from RE: KPF but his Lisfranc injury is pretty bad, I’d be surprised if he has any real impact in 2024 and whilst showing some signs I think he’s overrated as a forward. Crows aren’t offering pick 10 next year if he’s OOC and as I’ve said before, Pick 10 IMO would have bought someone like Tom Lynch if there’s substance to those rumours. In saying that I hope Petty can get on the park and have a decent run at it, but I still feel this will be seen as a missed opportunity in 12 months. 6,10 and 11 might have been enough for Harley, we’ll never know.

He's not OOC next year though, which is the point I'm making.

Valid point re the Lisfranc, but at the same time, the injury itself is totally subjective. Tom Stewart did his and was back as good as ever within a few weeks. Mitch Clark did his and it ruined his career. Without further info from the club, it's impossible to know, though if it was particularly bad, I doubt Adelaide would have chased him as hard as they did.

On your last point, losing 6, 11 and Petty for Reid would've been a horrendous piece of list management. Glad we didn't.

 

[pjfairbairn]

Sacrificing picks 27 & 35 to move three spots from 14 to 11, in the vain hope of WC accepting a Hail Mary pass for Reid, was bad business by Tim Lamb. Reeked of desperation and was never going to work.

People will argue 27 & 35 “aren’t good picks anyway and the draft is weak” but it’s a defeatist way to think. You don’t see Hawthorn recruiters whining about all their picks not being in the top 12 of the draft, yet there they go year after year picking very good kids well into the 2nd, 3rd and even 4th rounds.

Concerning that our recruiters aren’t confident in their ability to find talent at later picks, not to mention that they couldn’t read the room and understand that North are the only serious suitor for WC’s pick 1.

WC will either keep it or only trade it for 2 & 3 from North with probably something going back the other way. From early on I said a scenario of 2 & 3 to WC / 1 & 23 to North would be somewhere around the mark. Short of both clubs agreeing to that Reid will be going to the Eagles.

Melbourne throwing away two decent draft picks for very little was dumb.

Mate we're only using 2 picks in the draft. Aim is to get the first one as high as possible and who gives a **** about the 2nd. It'll likely be used for Kynan Brown anyway somebody slides who we like and we can rookie Kynan. It's really ****ing simple

 

[BaliDemon]

Mate we're only using 2 picks in the draft. Aim is to get the first one as high as possible and who gives a * about the 2nd. It'll likely be used for Kynan Brown anyway somebody slides who we like and we can rookie Kynan. It's really ******* simple

Fritsch was pick 31
Gawn pick 34
There are hits and misses but the talent is there if you roll the dice.

Who’s to say we couldn’t have picked up two excellent prospects at 27 & 35? For a three spot move from 14 to 11 in a desperate hope to land pick 1? That’s poor decision making.

 

[Headless]

Fritsch was pick 31
Gawn pick 34
There are hits and misses but the talent is there if you roll the dice.

Who’s to say we couldn’t have picked up two excellent prospects at 27 & 35? For a three spot move from 14 to 11 in a desperate hope to land pick 1 … that’s poor decision making.

I thought we wouldn't be using those picks?

 

[dazzledavey36]

I thought we wouldn't be using those picks?

We aren't.

 

[MarcMaverick]

The draft is a crap-shoot anyway Sometimes the talent is only in the first 25-35 picks and the rest are list-cloggers whilst others can have gems in the 70s-80s.

 

[BaliDemon]

The draft is a crap-shoot anyway Sometimes the talent is only in the first 25-35 picks and the rest are list-cloggers whilst others can have gems in the 70s-80s.

If you analysed the past 10 drafts you would find a lot more good players between 25-35 than you would among 4th/5th rounders and rookies.

 

[I Love Lamb]

I thought we wouldn't be using those picks?

In that case we are better trading 27+35 into picks in 2024 so we can generate value next year if we need it opposed to pissing it away.

Pickup an extra F2/F3 would’ve been better if we didn’t intend to use them in 2023 than a 3 pick upgrade in the teens. Those future picks may be able to move us up by even more in 2024.

Saying we didn’t intend to use this picks sounds like a cop out excuse from Lamb after realising he ****ed up.

Hell, use one of them to snare Mcadam or Billings instead of pissing away our future picks instead.

 

[Topkent]

In that case we are better trading 27+35 into picks in 2024 so we can generate value next year if we need it opposed to pissing it away.

Pickup an extra F2/F3 would’ve been better if we didn’t intend to use them in 2023 than a 3 pick upgrade in the teens. Those future picks may be able to move us up by even more in 2024.

Saying we didn’t intend to use this picks sounds like a cop out excuse from Lamb after realising he ****ed up.

Hell, use one of them to snare Mcadam or Billings instead of pissing away our future picks instead.

This melting is stupid before you see the player we take with 11. If trading from 14 to 11 was the difference in getting him and he ends up being a ripper it's a fantastic deal.

 

[mrmonkey]

I don't think that 'sacrificing' picks 27 and 35 or whatever is anywhere near a disaster. The recruiters obviously don't rate the draft this year and just don't have any player they rate that will be available with those picks. In the case with Fritsch, he was right under our nose and we knew he would be available. With Gawn the club was in rebuilding phase we needed more picks. At the moment we aren't in rebuild mode so those later picks aren't really useful.

 

[Topkent]

I don't think that 'sacrificing' picks 27 and 35 or whatever is anywhere near a disaster. The recruiters obviously don't rate the draft this year and just don't have any player they rate that will be available with those picks. In the case with Fritsch, he was right under our nose and we knew he would be available. With Gawn the club was in rebuilding phase we needed more picks. At the moment we aren't in rebuild mode so those later picks aren't really useful.

Also that argument is ****ing stupid, if the club knew there was a Gawn and Fritsch available we'd keep the picks. Id like the giant sooks complaining about it to say who'd they'd have taken with those picks then if they are so certain we missed 2 future AA level players

 

[Capt_Concussion]

In that case we are better trading 27+35 into picks in 2024 so we can generate value next year if we need it opposed to pissing it away.

Pickup an extra F2/F3 would’ve been better if we didn’t intend to use them in 2023 than a 3 pick upgrade in the teens. Those future picks may be able to move us up by even more in 2024.

Saying we didn’t intend to use this picks sounds like a cop out excuse from Lamb after realising he ****ed up.

Hell, use one of them to snare Mcadam or Billings instead of pissing away our future picks instead.

Lamb made that trade because Taylor said he needed to get to pick 11.

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[Bluelegs]

Just save your melts until we find out whether the players who actually get picked around the mark of those picks are any good. If there are a bunch of guns available that we gave up and the difference between 14 and 11 is negligible then go crazy.

 

[I Love Lamb]

Also that argument is ******* stupid, if the club knew there was a Gawn and Fritsch available we'd keep the picks. Id like the giant sooks complaining about it to say who'd they'd have taken with those picks then if they are so certain we missed 2 future AA level players

Did you miss my post about trading it into future picks instead if we don’t rate this draft?

 

[Topkent]

Did you miss my post about trading it into future picks instead if we don’t rate this draft?

Doesn't even make sense. So we give those both up for a future 3rd to someone then get to next year and don't rate the draft crop at our pick?

You're complaining for the sake of it

 

[I Love Lamb]

Lamb made that trade because Taylor said he needed to get to pick 11.

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He made the trade because he runs the same strategy every year in trying to trade up however this year other clubs have caught on and also try to do the same making our ROI a lot less than it used to be. Instead of finding a new strategy he opts to pay overs for 3 spots and run trash excuses like “only needing to take 2 picks” despite the fact that he could have easily kept the picks and rolled them into 2024 picks instead (and roll them into 2025 if needed.)

 

[I Love Lamb]

Doesn't even make sense. So we give those both up for a future 3rd to someone then get to next year and don't rate the draft crop at our pick?

You're complaining for the sake of it

No, we give up 27 for a F2 and 35 for a F3.

Extra 2nd and 3rd rounder in 2024 could have a greater ROI than 3 pick upgrade in 2023.

Or if a player slips through in 2023 and we want to do a live trade, we have more currency to execute said trade. (Eg O’Sullivan slips to pick 22).

 

[Topkent]

He made the trade because he runs the same strategy every year in trying to trade up however this year other clubs have caught on and also try to do the same making our ROI a lot less than it used to be. Instead of finding a new strategy he opts to pay overs for 3 spots and run trash excuses like “only needing to take 2 picks” despite the fact that he could have easily kept the picks and rolled them into 2024 picks instead (and roll them into 2025 if needed.)

You haven't seen the players we take. You literally have no clue if he's targeted someone or not but can still make up this conspiracy in your head anyway.

 

[Topkent]

No, we give up 27 for a F2 and 35 for a F3.

Extra 2nd and 3rd rounder in 2024 could have a greater ROI than 3 pick upgrade in 2023.

You're kidding me right? Only clubs who think they'd win that would do the trade so Collingwood or Brisbane would give us their future second and 3rd for ours which would most likely be like 32 and 52

What a monumental melt at the prospect of losing those 2 picks

 

[I Love Lamb]

You're kidding me right? Only clubs who think they'd win that would do the trade so Collingwood or Brisbane would give us their future second and 3rd for ours which would most likely be like 32 and 52

What a monumental melt at the prospect of losing those 2 picks

Not really, clubs often want to get players in the door a year earlier and would trade like for like to do so. Sometimes even throw icing on top.

 

[Topkent]

Not really, clubs often want to get players in the door a year earlier and would trade like for like to do so.

No they wouldn't. Teams around the 8 won't trade for ours if there's a good chance they'll lose on them. There's no point.

Again all of this is under the assumption that those mid range clubs rate the draft at 27 and 35 or whatever it is

 

[I Love Lamb]

No they wouldn't. Teams around the 8 won't trade for ours if there's a good chance they'll lose on them. There's no point.

Again all of this is under the assumption that those mid range clubs rate the draft at 27 and 35 or whatever it is

Happens all the time mate, you are blind if you haven’t seen it. Every year it happens.

The Hawks traded Pick 27 in last year's count as well as their 2023 second-round and third-round draft selections (now Picks 24 and 45) to attain Pick 18 from Sydney on draft night last November.

 

[Topkent]

Happens all the time mate.

The Hawks traded Pick 27 in last year's count as well as their 2023 second-round and third-round draft selections (now Picks 24 and 45) to attain Pick 18 from Sydney on draft night last November.

They traded 3 picks to move up 9 places. That's the type of shit you'd be melting about

24, 27 and 45 for 18 lmao

 

[I Love Lamb]

They traded 3 picks to move up 9 places. That's the type of s**t you'd be melting about

24, 27 and 45 for 18 lmao

I am saying other clubs would give up more future picks for our picks (27/35) this year. In this example Hawks did exactly that. Which you deny happens.

I am advocating being the recipient of that trade, not giving up 3 picks for 18, but the one receiving the future picks off another club.

You said clubs don’t give up future picks to get into the draft a year earlier, I just gave you a clear example of it happening.

Nice trying to twist the narrative after being wrecked though.