List Mgmt. 2023 Draft/Trade/FA thread

[Scythe]

Seems a good time to pin this:


OOC players:

• Michael Hibberd (retired)
• Deakyn Smith (delisted)
• Andy Moniz-Wakefield
• Jake Melksham (delisted, will be re-drafted as a rookie)
• Luke Dunstan (retired)
• James Jordon (signed with Sydney as a Free Agent)
• Kye Turner (delisted)

Traded out:

• James Harmes (Bulldogs)
• Brodie Grundy (Sydney)

Traded in:

• Tom Fullarton (Brisbane)
• Jack Billings (St Kilda)
• Shane McAdam (Adelaide)

Drafted:

• Caleb Windsor (Pick 7)
• Koltyn Tholstrup (Pick 13)
• Kynan Brown (Rookie)

 

[Topkent]

I am saying other clubs would give up more future picks for our picks (27/35) this year. In this example Hawks did exactly that. Which you deny happens.

I am advocating being the recipient of that trade, not giving up 3 picks for 18, but the one receiving the future picks off another club.

You said clubs don’t give up future picks to get into the draft a year earlier, I just gave you a clear example of it happening.

Nice trying to twist the narrative after being wrecked though.

Nah wrong again mate. I said teams arent gonna give US future picks that they think they might lose. Basically your saying we should trade 27/35 for a single pick in the second round. Hawthorn gave up 24 and 27 and 45 and got a 6 pick upgrade.

So our 2 picks wouldn't even get that.

You'll get there eventually.

 

[Demon13304]

Fritsch was pick 31
Gawn pick 34
There are hits and misses but the talent is there if you roll the dice.

Who’s to say we couldn’t have picked up two excellent prospects at 27 & 35? For a three spot move from 14 to 11 in a desperate hope to land pick 1? That’s poor decision making.

For every late pick success like Gawn and Fritsch, you get someone who plays less than 5 games and gets delisted after a few years

We finished top 6 and we've still got 2 picks in the top 11 and still have kept our future first. Im flipping rapt actually

 

[I Love Lamb]

Nah wrong again mate. I said teams arent gonna give US future picks that they think they might lose. Basically your saying we should trade 27/35 for a single pick in the second round. Hawthorn gave up 24 and 27 and 45 and got a 6 pick upgrade.

So our 2 picks wouldn't even get that.

You'll get there eventually.

Where did I say we should trade it for a SINGLE pick? Now you are putting words in my mouth well done.

I suggested moving the value into 2024 through a team (like hawks did in 2022) who are looking to get more players in the door a year early.

It’s not that hard to understand, surely.

 

[Topkent]

Where did I say we should trade it for a SINGLE pick? Now you are putting words in my mouth well done.

I suggested moving the value into 2024 through a team (like hawks did in 2022) who are looking to get more players in the door a year early.

It’s not that hard to understand, surely.

Ok well I'm done with this cause it's banging my head against a brick wall. 3 picks turned into 1 for a 6 pick upgrade. 2 from us, with one much shitter than the hawks ain't getting two back that are any good. It'll be a single second rounder. So likely a pick like 25 next year.

If that's what you're melting about good luck to you.

 

[I Love Lamb]

Ok well I'm done with this cause it's banging my head against a brick wall. 3 picks turned into 1 for a 6 pick upgrade. 2 from us, with one much shitter than the hawks ain't getting two back that are any good. It'll be a single second rounder. So likely a pick like 25 next year.

If that's what you're melting about good luck to you.

You are all over the place or you are not reading my posts properly. I never once said we should turn 2/3 picks into 1. I said we should have moved picks 27/35 currency into 2024.

You seem to be the only one advocating for turning multiple picks into 1 like we did with 14,27 and 35 for 11 while at the same time trashing the idea when discussing how Hawks did it. You are contradicting yourself.

The only reason I mentioned Hawks scenario was because you claim clubs don’t pay overs to move up a year which some evidently do. GC did it with Jeremy Sharp as well.

If other clubs want to get into 2023 draft (say pick 27 if a player they like drifts) then I am sure we could find a club willing to transfer 2024 picks in exchange for 27 and 35 (however many).

 

[TheBoss]

For every late pick success like Gawn and Fritsch, you get someone who plays less than 5 games and gets delisted after a few years

We finished top 6 and we've still got 2 picks in the top 11 and still have kept our future first. Im *ing rapt actually

The club improved their second selection by 3 spots and you are rapt? Such a low bar.

Tim Lamb is a chump.

 

[Daemon]

Love the different opinions in here. Funny watching people get worked up over hypotheticals.
Maybe just trust the paid professionals to do their jobs (which they have a proven successful record) before getting so annoyed.

 

[Scythe]

The club improved their second selection by 3 spots and you are rapt? Such a low bar.

Tim Lamb is a chump.

Which is likely the difference between taking Windsor or a Murphy/DeMattia/Collard type...for two picks we weren't going to be using anyway

 

[Scythe]

Love the different opinions in here. Funny watching people get worked up over hypotheticals.
Maybe just trust the paid professionals to do their jobs (which they have a proven successful record) before getting so annoyed.

It's the same handful who rock up at trade time to melt every year, before disappearing from the board when there's football actually being played.

 

[Demon13304]

The club improved their second selection by 3 spots and you are rapt? Such a low bar.

Tim Lamb is a chump.

Yeah I'm rapt, hence why I said that I'm rapt. You can read it again to see why I'm rapt too

We finished top 6 and have got 2 picks in the top 11. Pick an absolute gun at pick 11 (that might not have been available at14) and I certainly won't give a shit about pick 27 and pick35.

Also improving your selection by 3 spots means a shitton more at the higher picks of the draft.

 

[TheBoss]

Which is likely the difference between taking Windsor or a Murphy/DeMattia/Collard type...for two picks we weren't going to be using anyway

Regardless of not using the picks, surely they could have got a better return than a 3 pick upgrade.

I don't follow u18's and I don't know any of the names you are talking about.

It seems to be a theme that people think JT is a drafting savant. The only draft he absolutely nailed was 2019. He has had some howlers!

Also improving your selection by 3 spots means a shitton more at the higher picks of the draft.

Sam Weideman (pick 9) was taken 3 picks before Charlie Curnow (pick 12).

Strap yourself in for another JT master class!

 

[Scythe]

Sam Weideman (pick 9) was taken 3 picks before Charlie Curnow (pick 12).

Strap yourself in for another JT master class!

He also, for example:

• 'Reached' for Oliver at #4 (Parish, Francis, Hopper and Ah Chee were the next four picks)
• Picked Fritsch at #31
• Picked Petty at #37
• 'Reached' for Jackson at #3
• 'Reached' for Pickett at #12
• Picked Rivers at #32
• Picked JVR at #19
• Picked ANB at #40
• Picked McVee at rookie draft #16
• Picked Chandler at rookie draft #15
• Picked Harmes at rookie draft #2

 

[Scythe]

Regardless of not using the picks, surely they could have got a better return than a 3 pick upgrade.

I don't follow u18's and I don't know any of the names you are talking about.

How do you consider yourself able to evaluate the trade then?

 

[LarryDavidNeitz]

I have to say that BigFooty is once again excelling itself in pre-draft predictions that 6 players we've seen short highlight clips of are going to be superstars and every draftee after those guys are picked are deadset potatoes, unless we find out we've been linked to them and then view a two minute video of their highlights.

 

[stEdy]

I've always loved checks notes James Leake

 

[TheBoss]

How do you consider yourself able to evaluate the trade then?

We started the trade period with a great draft hand of 2x 1st and 2nd round picks.

Notwithstanding that we only planned to draft two players, do you think 14+27+35 represents good value for 11 in a straight swap?

Do you think this is the best return the club could have gotten for those picks?

We gave the Suns their first ever win at the trade table!

He also, for example:

He also blew his load on Gus Brayshaw at pick 3.

 

[Scythe]

We started the trade period with a great draft hand of 2x 1st and 2nd round picks.

Notwithstanding that we only planned to draft two players, do you think 14+27+35 represents good value for 11 in a straight swap?

Do you think this is the best return the club could have gotten for those picks?

We gave the Suns their first ever win at the trade table!



He also blew his load on Gus Brayshaw at pick 3.

You can only acquire what the market dictates. I'm sure we would've offered those picks to GWS at #7 and Geelong at #8, and they probably told us to take a hike.

We've said that we were only taking two picks, and it appears that #11 was the highest we could get with our existing draft capital. I really don't see what the issue is.

Re Brayshaw, he was the consensus pick at the time. Besides De Goey and Moore (father-son), picks 4-13 were mostly rubbish (Wright came on eventually, but only after being traded):

 

[Demon13304]

Sam Weideman (pick 9) was taken 3 picks before Charlie Curnow (pick 12).

Strap yourself in for another JT master class!

What the hell has that got to do with trading our second rounders?
He also picked Kosi Pickett (pick 12) 3-4picks ahead of Cooper Stephens (7games in 3 years) and Brodie Kemp (who never debuted) - see I can cherry pick shit as well.

Weids is pretty much the only first round pick that was a failure, every other first round player he's picked are having good careers.

Like I said, if he picks 2 guns that are both top 11 picks, I'm not gonna melt that we lost 27 and 35

 

[TheBoss]

You can only acquire what the market dictates. I'm sure we would've offered those picks to GWS at #7 and Geelong at #8, and they probably told us to take a hike.

We've said that we were only taking two picks, and it appears that #11 was the highest we could get with our existing draft capital. I really don't see what the issue is.

Re Brayshaw, he was the consensus pick at the time. Besides De Goey and Moore (father-son), picks 4-13 were mostly rubbish (Wright came on eventually, but only after being traded):

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Curious to why your screenshot cuts off pick 14 - Jake Lever. It also highlights that moving up a few spots from 14 won't necessarily yield a better player.

Saints bailed us out by passing on Petracca.

A "haul" of McCartin and Brayshaw with 2 & 3 would have been devastating.

 

[Bluelegs]

Curious to why your screenshot cuts off pick 14 - Jake Lever. It also highlights that moving up a few spots from 14 won't necessarily yield a better player.

Saints bailed us out by passing on Petracca.

A "haul" of McCartin and Brayshaw with 2 & 3 would have been devastating.

Lever missed his whole draft year with an ACL. Would have been a very brave recruiter to pick him with 3.

 

[Scythe]

Curious to why your screenshot cuts off pick 14 - Jake Lever. It also highlights that moving up a few spots from 14 won't necessarily yield a better player.

Saints bailed us out by passing on Petracca.

A "haul" of McCartin and Brayshaw with 2 & 3 would have been devastating.

It cut off as we ended up with Lever anyway. If you like, I can expand it to 15 and 16, where Jarrod Garlett and Sam Durdin were the picks? Hell, why not go all the way out to 25 so we can add some big misses like Blaine Boekhorst, Jayden Laverde, Hugh Goddard, Dan McKenzie, Patrick McKenna and Dan Nielson.

 

[stEdy]

Good thing we got Patrick McKenna back anyway - nearly the one that got away

 

[BaliDemon]

For every late pick success like Gawn and Fritsch, you get someone who plays less than 5 games and gets delisted after a few years

We finished top 6 and we've still got 2 picks in the top 11 and still have kept our future first. Im *ing rapt actually

Picks 27 & 35 aren’t “late picks”. They’re pretty decent and well worth the salt of a professional recruiter who has confidence in their ability to scout talent and who doesn’t hide behind the prissy “we thought it was a weak draft” excuse.

6, 14, 27 & 35 is MUCH better than 6 & 11. Kidding yourself if you think it’s not.

Tim Lamb is just making excuses for his ill-conceived, botched, get Harley Reid vanity project. The club will pay for this mistake in the future when everyone’s whining that we lack depth on the list.

 

[I Love Lamb]

Picks 27 & 35 aren’t “late picks”. They’re pretty decent and well worth the salt of a professional recruiter who has confidence in their ability to scout talent and who doesn’t hide behind the prissy “we thought it was a weak draft” excuse.

6, 14, 27 & 35 is MUCH better than 6 & 11. Kidding yourself if you think it’s not.

Tim Lamb is just making excuses for his ill-conceived, botched, get Harley Reid vanity project. The club will pay for this mistake in the future when everyone’s whining that we lack depth on the list.

Agree 100%. We have significantly weakened any hands we may been able to use for live trading opportunities or strengthening our 2024 draft hands for a 3 pick upgrade when we don’t even know whose going to be on the board at 11 and 14 anyway.

 

[mrmonkey]

Picks 27 & 35 aren’t “late picks”. They’re pretty decent and well worth the salt of a professional recruiter who has confidence in their ability to scout talent and who doesn’t hide behind the prissy “we thought it was a weak draft” excuse.

6, 14, 27 & 35 is MUCH better than 6 & 11. Kidding yourself if you think it’s not.

Tim Lamb is just making excuses for his ill-conceived, botched, get Harley Reid vanity project. The club will pay for this mistake in the future when everyone’s whining that we lack depth on the list.

Missing two picks in one draft isn't going to make us pay in the future. We still have plenty of time to draft for the future.