Coach Alastair Clarkson - NMFC Senior Coach - Coaching & Football Discussion

[pupstar]

I was just hoping Clarko would come in and tap some of these 25 year-olds on the shoulder and give them new roles & responsibilities and we’d see them flourish, finally, under a coach who knows what he’s doing.

Yet here we are.

If the list is indeed that bad and we have to churn through 15 players while teaching the youngsters only how to lose, it’s going to be dire for many years. And what kids will want to stay?

We can and should be expecting more now.

Harry and George.

 

[chickenonachain]

I was just hoping Clarko would come in and tap some of these 25 year-olds on the shoulder and give them new roles & responsibilities and we’d see them flourish, finally, under a coach who knows what he’s doing.

Yet here we are.

If the list is indeed that bad and we have to churn through 15 players while teaching the youngsters only how to lose, it’s going to be dire for many years. And what kids will want to stay?

We can and should be expecting more now.

As I’ve posted this is going to take a very longtime to get out of this shit. We can’t do it through the draft if we don’t get help with priority picks. No one any good wants to come to us, and any of our good players will be targeted by other clubs when they come out of contract or become free agents.

 

[Mixed Results]

With Clarkson, despite how dominant those Hawks sides were, I always thought they underachieved a bit in the home and away season. Obviously, they still performed incredibly well, but you look back and wonder why we never saw the same dominance that sides like Geelong, Collingwood, and St Kilda were able to achieve in that era.

Seeing how this year has developed with Clarkson being incredibly patient on making some obvious changes, I did want to go back and see how many of those losses were dropped early in the year.

2011:
First 6 games: 4-2
Remaining 16: 14-2

2012:
First 6 games: 3-3
Remaining 16: 14-2

2013:
First 6 games: 5-1
Remaining 16: 14-2

2014:
First 6 games: 5-1
Remaining 16: 11-4

2015:
First 6 games: 3-3
Remaining 16: 13-3

2016:
First 6 games: 4-2
Remaining 16: 13-3

2017:
First 6 games: 1-5
Remaining 16: 9-6-1

So, if you combine all of that you have Clarkson winning 59.5% of the time in the first six weeks, and then 79.3% in the remaining sixteen weeks of the season. If we have any lurking Hawks fans, now is the time to provide some insight, but that's some pretty clear evidence that Clarkson teams take a while to get going.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Right now our list is terrible no backmen one forward no leaders and two s**t captains I’d say that’s terrible

Jury’s still out but I expect Logue and Comben will make a fine defensive combo. To say nothing of the Dawsons.

I can see us improving a lot over the second half of the season.

 

[pupstar]

Don’t think it was dumb to win but Gold Coast absolutely had the handbrake on in that game. We had lost 20 in a row and they made us look like the Harlem Globetrotters. That win presented a false narrative.

Maybe to some supporters but as a club and some supporters we know exactly where we are and where we are headed in a few years. Finals bound.

 

[Spud11]

Maybe to some supporters but as a club and some supporters we know exactly where we are and where we are headed in a few years. Finals bound.

I really admire your positivity

 

[Masked Avenger]

We've all become little worry warts.

We have a four time premiership coach in our midst.

Only a handful of men in the history of the game can boast that.

You might fluke one but not four.

People go on about his playing list. Sure it was good. Name a premiership team without gun players?

Better still, he did it accross two different playing groups at Hawthorn.

He's the least of our worries.

 

[justroyal]

Let’s change the narrative.

Would we rather be in this position, with young recruits that we have, with Noble coaching? And his ideology/experience of a rebuild and development?

That’s what I thought.

 

[pupstar]

I really admire your positivity

I started following our great club in 1975 good year to start. Following my dads footsteps He would take me to the games every Saturday rain hail or shine. Yes my dad was the greatest. Win lose or draw we would catch the Train then on the Trams to were ever we where playing that week. I have seen the good times bad times great times and the terrible times I was lucky enough to attend both the 96-99 Grand Finals I know the good times will return to this great club once again sooner rather than later. I think i am privileged to barrack for and be a member of this mighty club not the other way around.

 

[Spud11]

Watching Clarko in the pre-game now

 

[Spud11]

I started following our great club in 1975 good year to start. Following my dads footsteps He would take me to the games every Saturday rain hail or shine. Yes my dad was the greatest. Win lose or draw we would catch the Train then on the Trams to were ever we where playing that week. I have seen the good times bad times great times and the terrible times I was lucky enough to attend both the 96-99 Grand Finals I know the good times will return to this great club once again sooner rather than later. I think i am privileged to barrack for and be a member of this mighty club not the other way around.

I started in ‘95. Good times galore. Seemed a given back then to win flags, given how hard we gotta grind to even be competitive now.

 

[King Corey]

He looks drained. Love the guy, hope we don't destroy his enthusiasm with the sheer extent of our football debt.

 

[King Corey]

I'm happy to apportion blame and it isn't time to look at Viney/Clarkson for quite a while yet.

I blame (amongst others):
Ben Buckley (gold medal for ****ing our club up on-field)
Brad Scott
Brady Rawlings

Brady Rawlings

Age

44

Ht

184cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.7

4star

K

8.7

3star

HB

9.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.3

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.8

3star

Glenn Archer
Glenn Luff
Cameron Joyce
Rhyce Shaw

Rhyce Shaw

Age

44

Ht

182cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.8

4star

K

12.0

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

313.2

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

1.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.8

3star

David Noble- however I think he's unfairly maligned lately. He inherited a rotten mess and got some decent method wins or competitive losses going in 2021 before the wheels fell off. He did ok with the raw materials at hand.

Brad Scott coached for 10 years. The only quality players Clarkson got from the Scott/Joyce/Lewis tenure to build around are now Larkey and LDU. You could add Simpkin and Zurhaar at a stretch. TT if we're being generous.

Laidley coached 7 years, less resources, no rookie list some years yet only 1 less finals series.

Laidley/Stibbard/Lewis handed over a list with McIntosh, Wells, J.Gibson (who bailed at that point), Tarrant, Thompson, Grima, Wright, Edwards, Ziebell, Swallow, Firrito, McMahon, Thomas, Hansen, Goldstein, Adams, Greenwood. And Harvey, Rawlings, Hale and Petrie from the Pagan era. Most of Scott's heavy lifting had been done for him especially when Ben Cunnington

10

Ben Cunnington

Age

34

Ht

185cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.4

5star

K

9.0

3star

HB

12.4

5star

M

2.9

3star

T

4.7

5star

CL

5.6

5star

D

17.7

4star

K

6.0

2star

HB

11.7

5star

M

2.0

2star

T

4.0

5star

CL

4.0

5star

D

15.8

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

9.4

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

3.0

5star

was immediately added to that mix.

All football staff employed from 2010-2020 created the hot tub of muck Clarkson and Co now find themselves tasked with fixing.

 

[Passmore]

I'm happy to apportion blame and it isn't time to look at Viney/Clarkson for quite a while yet.

I blame (amongst others):
Ben Buckley (gold medal for ****ing our club up on-field)
Brad Scott
Brady Rawlings

Brady Rawlings

Age

44

Ht

184cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.7

4star

K

8.7

3star

HB

9.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.3

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.8

3star

Glenn Archer
Glenn Luff
Cameron Joyce
Rhyce Shaw

Rhyce Shaw

Age

44

Ht

182cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.8

4star

K

12.0

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

313.2

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

1.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.8

3star

David Noble- however I think he's unfairly maligned lately. He inherited a rotten mess and got some decent method wins or competitive losses going in 2021 before the wheels fell off. He did ok with the raw materials at hand.

Brad Scott coached for 10 years. The only quality players Clarkson got from the Scott/Joyce/Lewis tenure to build around are now Larkey and LDU. You could add Simpkin and Zurhaar at a stretch. TT if we're being generous.

Laidley coached 7 years, less resources, no rookie list some years yet only 1 less finals series.

Laidley/Stibbard/Lewis handed over a list with McIntosh, Wells, J.Gibson (who bailed at that point), Tarrant, Thompson, Grima, Wright, Edwards, Ziebell, Swallow, Firrito, McMahon, Thomas, Hansen, Goldstein, Adams, Greenwood. And Harvey, Rawlings, Hale and Petrie from the Pagan era. Most of Scott's heavy lifting had been done for him especially when Ben Cunnington

10

Ben Cunnington

Age

34

Ht

185cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.4

5star

K

9.0

3star

HB

12.4

5star

M

2.9

3star

T

4.7

5star

CL

5.6

5star

D

17.7

4star

K

6.0

2star

HB

11.7

5star

M

2.0

2star

T

4.0

5star

CL

4.0

5star

D

15.8

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

9.4

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

3.0

5star

was immediately added to that mix.

All football staff employed from 2010-2020 created the hot tub of muck Clarkson and Co now find themselves tasked with fixing.

You look at the backdrop Laidley had to contend with, relocation, going out of business, coaching from rat infested portables when the rest of the comp was going fully professional.....the record is pretty impressive really...

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[King Corey]

You look at the backdrop Laidley had to contend with, relocation, going out of business, coaching from rat infested portables when the rest of the comp was going fully professional.....the record is pretty impressive really...

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All very true. I also remember Scott acknowledging early on the group already had strong character, there weren't inherent cultural issues to fix.

Just look at how Crocker was able to beat a peak St Kilda with that list. No amount of motivation in the world would fire up our list of the 3-4 years to be able to take out a contender.

 

[Passmore]

All very true. I also remember Scott acknowledging early on the group already had strong character, there weren't inherent cultural issues to fix.

Just look at how Crocker was able to beat a peak St Kilda with that list. No amount of motivation in the world would fire up our list of the 3-4 years to be able to take out a contender.

I think Clarko needs to organise an exorcism.

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[Chadwiko]

All football staff employed from 2010-2020 created the hot tub of muck Clarkson and Co now find themselves tasked with fixing.

Ding ding ding ding ding.

 

[Chadwiko]

Fyi - I've moved my own corro and replies in this thread today to the Clarkson coaching thread.

If anyone else wants their content moved on similar lines let me know. I'm not interested in pumping up a Sack Clarkson thread at this point in time, some of you might also feel the same.

There shouldn't be a Sack Clarkson thread at all.
Merge the entire threads.

 

[Johnny99]

There was a bit of play in the first quarter yesterday, where Bailey was streaming out of defence. Instead of hitting a North player, or at worst, kicking it to a 50/50, where the team has a chance of winning the ball, Bailey kicks it directly to a Geelong player.

The Geelong player kicks it back into the Geelong forwardline - end result - EASY GOAL.

WTF is that?

He is supposed to be a smart person. He doesn't understand kicked it to your teammates?

We did ok in that first quarter. Yes, Geelong started well, but we fought back to make it a contest. But that sort of play just destroys team morale. As a supporter watching, it breaks your heart.

That and a Geelong end to end goal with 5 seconds left in the quarter.

 

[blackshadow]

Getting tiresome when you keep leaning on the excuse of they are kids and they will get better. It’s not the kids that are horrific it’s the senior core.

Correct it is the senior core - chances of them getting better are slim to none. But the kids can and will get better. At the moment we're stuck with that dead wood and it ain't Clarko's fault.

Give them another 20-30 games together and we should be seeing a very different team. Not only will they develop as individuals in skill and size they will develop as a team.

 

[Elite Master]

I'm happy to apportion blame and it isn't time to look at Viney/Clarkson for quite a while yet.

I blame (amongst others):
Ben Buckley (gold medal for ****ing our club up on-field)
Brad Scott
Brady Rawlings
Glenn Archer
Glenn Luff
Cameron Joyce
Rhyce Shaw
David Noble- however I think he's unfairly maligned lately. He inherited a rotten mess and got some decent method wins or competitive losses going in 2021 before the wheels fell off. He did ok with the raw materials at hand.

Brad Scott coached for 10 years. The only quality players Clarkson got from the Scott/Joyce/Lewis tenure to build around are now Larkey and LDU. You could add Simpkin and Zurhaar at a stretch. TT if we're being generous.

Laidley coached 7 years, less resources, no rookie list some years yet only 1 less finals series.

Laidley/Stibbard/Lewis handed over a list with McIntosh, Wells, J.Gibson (who bailed at that point), Tarrant, Thompson, Grima, Wright, Edwards, Ziebell, Swallow, Firrito, McMahon, Thomas, Hansen, Goldstein, Adams, Greenwood. And Harvey, Rawlings, Hale and Petrie from the Pagan era. Most of Scott's heavy lifting had been done for him especially when Ben Cunnington was immediately added to that mix.

All football staff employed from 2010-2020 created the hot tub of muck Clarkson and Co now find themselves tasked with fixing.

This is one of the best break downs I've seen.

 

[FlyHigh18]

He knows what’s needed to win it and with what style.

Don’t bend, don’t yield, don’t look for shortcuts, don’t change the game plan just to suit the cattle, or bc the masses want a small win, or bc the players still don’t get it. Doing that will only lead to the 8th - 12th never ending cycle.

Keep at it. Don’t give up. Pick the ones you know will get there, keep blooding them, and bring in the rest.

Patience.

 

[DrZaius]

He knows what’s needed to win it and with what style.

Don’t bend, don’t yield, don’t look for shortcuts, don’t change the game plan just to suit the cattle, or bc the masses want a small win, or bc the players still don’t get it. Doing that will only lead to the 8th - 12th never ending cycle.

Keep at it. Don’t give up. Pick the ones you know will get there, keep blooding them, and bring in the rest.

Patience.

And if the game plan itself isn't the right one to take us where we want to go?

I'm not saying that is the case but there are a few question marks starting to pop up and they shouldn't just be dismissed outright. Clarko with his history rightly gets given more time and benefit of the doubt, but that shouldn't be confused with total unaccountability because I don't think that approach has ever worked for anyone.

 

[shimaburnsgrieg]

He knows what’s needed to win it and with what style.

Don’t bend, don’t yield, don’t look for shortcuts, don’t change the game plan just to suit the cattle, or bc the masses want a small win, or bc the players still don’t get it. Doing that will only lead to the 8th - 12th never ending cycle.

Keep at it. Don’t give up. Pick the ones you know will get there, keep blooding them, and bring in the rest.

Patience.

8th-12th ....lol

 

[Mr north man]

I'm happy to apportion blame and it isn't time to look at Viney/Clarkson for quite a while yet.

I blame (amongst others):
Ben Buckley (gold medal for ****ing our club up on-field)
Brad Scott
Brady Rawlings
Glenn Archer
Glenn Luff
Cameron Joyce
Rhyce Shaw
David Noble- however I think he's unfairly maligned lately. He inherited a rotten mess and got some decent method wins or competitive losses going in 2021 before the wheels fell off. He did ok with the raw materials at hand.

Brad Scott coached for 10 years. The only quality players Clarkson got from the Scott/Joyce/Lewis tenure to build around are now Larkey and LDU. You could add Simpkin and Zurhaar at a stretch. TT if we're being generous.

Laidley coached 7 years, less resources, no rookie list some years yet only 1 less finals series.

Laidley/Stibbard/Lewis handed over a list with McIntosh, Wells, J.Gibson (who bailed at that point), Tarrant, Thompson, Grima, Wright, Edwards, Ziebell, Swallow, Firrito, McMahon, Thomas, Hansen, Goldstein, Adams, Greenwood. And Harvey, Rawlings, Hale and Petrie from the Pagan era. Most of Scott's heavy lifting had been done for him especially when Ben Cunnington was immediately added to that mix.

All football staff employed from 2010-2020 created the hot tub of muck Clarkson and Co now find themselves tasked with fixing.

You have forgotten 1 man Paul spindoctorBS expert Fu:king Cu:t Roos did a lot of damage to our club as well.