Review Round 9, 2024 - Adelaide vs. Brisbane Lions

[Happy_Neale]

Haven't got much to add except to say that David King is the epitome of a lazy, uneducated and simple media talking head.

 

[M Malice]

There's some seniors that really need to ask themselves what they bring to the team at the moment. And if they are actually committed to improving it and themselves. If this year is to be a write off maybe they need a little help looking in the mirror.

Cam Rayner except for the Demons game has been disappointing for most of his career sadly... he appears to not put in top line effort too regularly.

Who else you thinking needs to look in the mirror? Maybe Eric but I don't think you can fault his effort, same with Joe, he is a laconic looking player but rarely lacks effort. I can't think of any other senior players who lack commitment.

Zorko/Lester/Andrews/McKenna/McCluggage/Berry/Dunkley/Neale/Cameron/Ah Chee/McInerney?

 

[twhowler]

Just to pick on one of your many points (which I don't necessarily disagree with)... we were 3 goals up at the 12.41 mark of the final quarter and held that 3 goal lead for about 1 minute. A team (and particularly our team) can't defend a 3-goal lead for 20 minutes. It's often said that the modern game moves so much on momentum and you can see this in the worm from halfway through the 2nd quarter.

• The crows kicked 5 goals to 1 goal for the next 30ish minutes of game play
• We then gained the momentum and kicked 5 goals to none in the next 15 minutes
• Crows swung it back again and kicked 4 goals straight to none.
• Both clubs kicked the same number of behinds.

For me once we were down a goal 25 minutes into the last quarter with the Crows on the run, we did well to arrest the run and get one back. from there, it could have gone either way... think back to round-1.

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Haha i take it from your opening you believe i have made a lot of bad calls? No issue, it is a forum of debate

Totally agree we did well late to get one back. It was a little bit lucky - Hippy banging it on the boot - but the defence held up well after that.

And i wasn't saying getting 3 goals up at that point was game over. It was the rapidity of the crows goal, and the nature of it, that seemed deflating. Time with a 3 goal lead in my view can become self affirming or self fulfilling late in games. The players and crowd look up at the scoreboard for 2-3 minutes and see it as 3 goals and think gee it's getting tough. As it was we gave up the first goal so quickly it was like the 3 goal lead never happened.

I thought you could see too from Dunkley's celebration that belief surged through the group; it was a bit of a lucky goal, we got it, the ball is bouncing our way....

Anyway just my view from the couch amongst kid chaos.

 

[Sproj]

We have some super exciting young talent that see us remain high on the ladder for some time to come. To think we get up to 6 guys back in to this side PLUS the super exciting three or four academy / FS kids. This is almost up to half a team of exciting injection.

Of course, the likes of Gardiner, McCarthy, sadly maybe even Doedee may not be best 22 when they come back but WAshcroft, LAshcroft, Coleman, Starcevich and Bailey certainly will be. Then you've got those three mentioned above, Dev and the other draftees all vying for spots.

2025 looks fantastic, no idea how we fit everyone.

 

[braddsey]

Haha i take it from your opening you believe i have made a lot of bad calls? No issue, it is a forum of debate

Not at all, I agree with most of what you said. Just can't let someone on a random internet forum get comfortable.

 

[Grasshopper17]

Is it just me or has Fox Footy posted this King/Daniher stuff half a dozen times on their socials today? Give it a rest. It's just so odd that he's watched the game and that was the main takeaway he got. People who don't follow Brisbane and don't pay close attention just assume he's right and it perpetuates the myth that he's selfish.

Get ready for a week of talking points. What's next? Oh there's a riff between Charlie and Joe. Charlie is going to leave. Essendon targeting Charlie. Someone went through 5 years of tapes and counted how many times they did or didn't pass to each other. That's all coming. I understand why Joe doesn't own a TV.

I've seen it a couple of times on Twitter... That's generally the standard coverage for a piece they put out from First Crack.

 

[M Malice]

We have some super exciting young talent that see us remain high on the ladder for some time to come. To think we get up to 6 guys back in to this side PLUS the super exciting three or four academy / FS kids. This is almost up to half a team of exciting injection.

Of course, the likes of Gardiner, McCarthy, sadly maybe even Doedee may not be best 22 when they come back but WAshcroft, LAshcroft, Coleman, Starcevich and Bailey certainly will be. Then you've got those three mentioned above, Dev and the other draftees all vying for spots.

2025 looks fantastic, no idea how we fit everyone.

100%, IMO our flag window is quite a while from closing.

 

[Tom14]

Cam Rayner except for the Demons game has been disappointing for most of his career sadly... he appears to not put in top line effort too regularly.

Who else you thinking needs to look in the mirror? Maybe Eric but I don't think you can fault his effort, same with Joe, he is a laconic looking player but rarely lacks effort. I can't think of any other senior players who lack commitment.

Zorko/Lester/Andrews/McKenna/McCluggage/Berry/Dunkley/Neale/Cameron/Ah Chee/McInerney?

Thoughts, Mr Ripper?

 

[dlanod]

your always right

So I tell my wife but she disagrees.

 

[beardancer]

Is it just me or has Fox Footy posted this King/Daniher stuff half a dozen times on their socials today? Give it a rest. It's just so odd that he's watched the game and that was the main takeaway he got. People who don't follow Brisbane and don't pay close attention just assume he's right and it perpetuates the myth that he's selfish.

Get ready for a week of talking points. What's next? Oh there's a riff between Charlie and Joe. Charlie is going to leave. Essendon targeting Charlie. Someone went through 5 years of tapes and counted how many times they did or didn't pass to each other. That's all coming. I understand why Joe doesn't own a TV.

Yes but after all the yap, Daniher is selfish so who cares what some commentator thinks but he is spot on though

 

[M Malice]

So I tell my wife but she disagrees.

Your wife is always right.

 

[3KZ is Football]

Perhaps they should show more of any of our players allowing Dawson to literally run amok in that last quarter. I watched the last quarter again at lunch and some of the efforts by our senior players against him was embarrassing. I couldn’t help watching it that it was more a loss than anything else and in my view saying otherwise is just making excuses, which I’ve seen many on here and Lions FB pages today.

100% correct. Maybe the media could have a look at Rayner.

 

[Jim Stynes11]

It's not long since Joe was getting criticised for passing when he could / should have bee kickiig goals. Along the lines of "You're the key forward" "You're the one paid to take on that responsibility" etc etc.

It's been said already, but you could literally have used the same 2 x clips to say - Joe's always looking for Charlie even when he should be kicking the goal. Tried to thread the needle, etc , but Charlie has burnt him there.

 

[beardancer]

Yeah fair point. Easy playing Monday Quarterback i guess! we need an australian term for that

To be fair to me i was keen on Brain over Prior pre game, but then i am not the closest of the ressies watchers at all, it was more from reading reports and thinking he would be better suited to their smalls, not to mention the energy of a debut was clear from the week before!

As you say surely Brain plays next week. It should be a good game for the younger blokes (jinx) and then one more before the bye and a chance to re-set.

I do hope we go on merit from here in terms of who is in / out. I mean Bailey is obviously a lock. Starcevich is too. But we need to be picking the newbies if they have earned it. McKenna is an obvious candidate to go out from the weekend. Rayner should not be invincible (although i still like what he brings and think he is mis-used). Even Fletcher, who is young himself, could do with being managed, he seems to have some very down games. And i have no idea if Berry is more sore some weeks vs others, but given the gap between his good and bad games if he does get quite sore one week again we should look at a rest.

Fages is using the squad involuntarily, let's see if he does once players are back!

Yeah that mark Brain took edging out his oppo and taking front spot was superb, as was his pass

 

[braddsey]

Cam Rayner except for the Demons game has been disappointing for most of his career sadly... he appears to not put in top line effort too regularly.

Who else you thinking needs to look in the mirror? Maybe Eric but I don't think you can fault his effort, same with Joe, he is a laconic looking player but rarely lacks effort. I can't think of any other senior players who lack commitment.

Zorko/Lester/Andrews/McKenna/McCluggage/Berry/Dunkley/Neale/Cameron/Ah Chee/McInerney?

I don't agree that Cam doesn't put in effort. I don't profess to know anything about what his role is, but I don't think it's effort related.
He's certainly in a down period (pretty much since an amazing first quarter against Melbourne). Maybe his application is in the wrong areas, maybe he continues to suffer from having the tank to go again and again, so fades, or doesn't have the finishing required due fatigue.

I think it's a bit harsh to say he's been a disappointment most of his career. He carries a burden/expectation of being a #1 draft pick, but it was generally agreed he was the best pick in his draft at the time. If he'd been in another draft then potentially he wouldn't have been selected at pick 1.
He certainly hasn't exploded and we all hope he will, but to say he's a disappointment is a bit of a slap to a guy who has generally been building well, but currently having a down patch.

 

[rye]

been saying for a while hipwood and daniher get criticised differently than other key forwards

you can see why daniher doesnt want to engage with media at all

 

[rye]

I dont mind some things from King especially around concussions and the MRO. But this is a clear case of him having a story he wanted to tell and went looking for video without actually thinking about who the players are and how they play.

lost all respect for him on this when he completely and uncritically fell into Maynards corner last year because he had money on collingwood to win the flag

he is a hack of the highest order

 

[Big Sauce 21]

Why is Ah Chee not used in the forward line more often ? He clunks so many 1v1 marks over head. Can actually kick straight as well.

 

[mpal6]

We have some super exciting young talent that see us remain high on the ladder for some time to come. To think we get up to 6 guys back in to this side PLUS the super exciting three or four academy / FS kids. This is almost up to half a team of exciting injection.

Of course, the likes of Gardiner, McCarthy, sadly maybe even Doedee may not be best 22 when they come back but WAshcroft, LAshcroft, Coleman, Starcevich and Bailey certainly will be. Then you've got those three mentioned above, Dev and the other draftees all vying for spots.

2025 looks fantastic, no idea how we fit everyone.

Hopefully our coach is ready to drop some of the default selections by then.
Need competition for spots to help grow the performance mindset.

 

[mpal6]

Why is Ah Chee not used in the forward line more often ? He clunks so many 1v1 marks over head. Can actually kick straight as well.

Ah Chee is a more natural forward than Rayner to be honest.

 

[Big Sauce 21]

Ah Chee is a more natural forward than Rayner to be honest.

Showed more yesterday than any of our forwards have all year.

 

[M Malice]

I don't agree that Cam doesn't put in effort. I don't profess to know anything about what his role is, but I don't think it's effort related.
He's certainly in a down period (pretty much since an amazing first quarter against Melbourne). Maybe his application is in the wrong areas, maybe he continues to suffer from having the tank to go again and again, so fades, or doesn't have the finishing required due fatigue.

I think it's a bit harsh to say he's been a disappointment most of his career. He carries a burden/expectation of being a #1 draft pick, but it was generally agreed he was the best pick in his draft at the time. If he'd been in another draft then potentially he wouldn't have been selected at pick 1.
He certainly hasn't exploded and we all hope he will, but to say he's a disappointment is a bit of a slap to a guy who has generally been building well, but currently having a down patch.

I don't take into account where a player was selected in a particular draft, all it is is a bit of hype for the first season or 2 if they're selected early.

IMO Cam has been a disappointment over the course of his career regardless of where he went in his draft year, FWIW his draft class is a largely uninspiring cohort.

 

[Grasshopper17]

Well we’re losing clearances comfortably. We don’t usually win if that happens

It feels like the majority of the game has been played in our half and we are giving up easy shots going back the other way. If we can tighten that up surely we should be ok.

Couple of graphics from yesterday's game. The first one shows time in forward half:

So after the first quarter we certainly had the better of the territory battle, supporting your comment.

The grey line below indicates expected score from wherever a team starts a possession chain (ie it either wins a clearances or forces an intercept). That line finishes below the break even point indicating we had the better of that battle also:

 

[braddsey]

Hopefully our coach is ready to drop some of the default selections by then.
Need competition for spots to help grow the performance mindset.

Hopefully the default selections are playing to the ability that has makes them default selections when the time comes!

 

[buttermuffs]

Why is Ah Chee not used in the forward line more often ? He clunks so many 1v1 marks over head. Can actually kick straight as well.

Because he is versatile and is the first player to be shuffled to fill a hole when there’s been injuries (and there’s been a lot of injuries).

Started forward this year and kicked a couple then Kiddy went down first game and then McKenna went down second game and more. Lohmann earning his spot also pushed him to the wing since Lohmann is a more natural forward and Ah Chee is versatile.

Has helped and hurt Callum.