Player Watch #29: Will Phillips - tags N.Daicos vs Collingwood - subbed off at 3/4 time??

[Colby Cheer Squad]

I was watching last yesterday the Saints play aka Yooralla I think that's what they called themsleves.
And Darcy Wilson apparently put on power speed and 9kgs in the offseason as he prepared for the rigours of AFL life.

If Phillips doesn't make it. It is on him no one else. It blows my tiny mind watching these young footballers of ours be non competitive. If Phillips could run all-day he'd be half a chance of being successful. L. Neil is the perfect example of an average footballer who uses his amazing fitness base to be successful. You don't get that fit training Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday. It takes months/years of grind.
Dedication is the word I'm looking for. These guys must notice how fit their opponents are. Do they not think that maybe they too should get that fit .

It is the most basic of sports in many ways. So simple and more than likely if you're fitter than your opponent you'll run over the top of him.

I don't buy the north can't develop players line. I never have fwiw.

It's a nice theory to say that players on the fringe just need to train themselves to extremes. That's where problems like osteitis pubis occur. Jackson Archer over-trained last year and ruined his pre-season as he was forced to rest.

 

[Epictetus]

On this and Phillips I agree - that's his only real pathway at AFL level. He is very clean by hand and foot, good vision, smallish, mid paced. If he can motor around at 90% speed all day long for longer than his opponents those are attributes that can work at AFL level.

"neat" is often a very optimistic version of "safe".

The tell for me early that he wouldn't make it is that he can't create his own space and time and he does not handball the footy creatively. Yes, he's the same size and Neale, but he's half as strong and Neale is a 10/10 by hand. There's a chasm between them in talent.

When you're 179, slowish, can't mark it and without a great motor you just have to be super talented. Touch, vision, kicking depth control, dual sided. Will is waaaay below average on this stuff.

 

[The acurate one]

Given me Mason Wood feels. Will go somewhere else and actually train more than 45 minutes twice a week and be a jet.

Tbh he still isn't much chop old Mason.

It's a nice theory to say that players on the fringe just need to train themselves to extremes. That's where problems like osteitis pubis occur. Jackson Archer over-trained last year and ruined his pre-season as he was forced to rest.

Well I'm not talking just fringe players here, but I'd risk OP over certain delisting any day of the week.

 

[shintemaster]

"neat" is often a very optimistic version of "safe".

Granted, but in this instance I'm referring to the neatness inherent in being able to handball to a player's hands 5m away from you or kick to a player 30m away without putting it at their feet or over their head. We have a lot of players that can't seem to do that no matter how conservative the option.

 

[ChairmanZia]

And if he goes Sydney will be handsomely rewarded, Phillips will be delisted after no interest. He may be rookied by someone. Logan and Sydney are way ahead of us and will.

That's not a phillips issue but our departmental issue.

Our biggest problems over the last 5 years were not onfield but those department related to the gameday.

In other words, we were vfl level quality in all those department.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Comes in and stays in

Gets the mid centre bounces that pc and zurhaar got today leave them forward

 

[Junk yard]

Comes in and stays in

Gets the mid centre bounces that pc and zurhaar got today leave them forward

He's barely VFL standard ATM. It's not fair on will to keep bringing him in with no form. Let him hopefully find some touch in the two's.

 

[The Nostradamus]

He's barely VFL standard ATM. It's not fair on will to keep bringing him in with no form. Let him hopefully find some touch in the two's.

24 touches today in the vfl more than anyone in our team

He dominated the game before he came in last week also

And last week he was solid on Rowell tbh

 

[Passmore]

I was watching last yesterday the Saints play aka Yooralla I think that's what they called themsleves.
And Darcy Wilson apparently put on power speed and 9kgs in the offseason as he prepared for the rigours of AFL life.

If Phillips doesn't make it. It is on him no one else. It blows my tiny mind watching these young footballers of ours be non competitive. If Phillips could run all-day he'd be half a chance of being successful. L. Neil is the perfect example of an average footballer who uses his amazing fitness base to be successful. You don't get that fit training Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday. It takes months/years of grind.
Dedication is the word I'm looking for. These guys must notice how fit their opponents are. Do they not think that maybe they too should get that fit .

It is the most basic of sports in many ways. So simple and more than likely if you're fitter than your opponent you'll run over the top of him.

I don't buy the north can't develop players line. I never have fwiw.

I've wondered if these blokes ever look at the opponents who torch them every week and ask themselves why?



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[Junk yard]

24 touches today in the vfl more than anyone in our team

He dominated the game before he came in last week also

And last week he was solid on Rowell tbh

For his time spent in the middle and the impact he had its really not enough. Didn't dominate the game before at all, didn't even receive a vote from the coaches, don't think he will this week either. What's wrong with letting him find some form in the two's?

 

[Chadwiko]

He's barely VFL standard ATM.

He was probably BOG for us today...

The last two times he's played VFL he's led our team for disposals...

"Barely VFL standard"?

Mate, stop making up nonsense to justify your vendetta against this kid.

 

[Junk yard]

He was probably BOG for us today...

The last two times he's played VFL he's led our team for disposals...

"Barely VFL standard"?

Mate, stop making up nonsense to justify your vendetta against this kid.

People said that about his last VFL game and he wasn't considered in the best 6 on the ground, no vendetta here just not sure why he's so overrated.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

People said that about his last VFL game and he wasn't considered in the best 6 on the ground, no vendetta here just not sure why he's so overrated.

No-one can read your last 20-30 posts in this thread with concluding with certainty that there is a vendetta against him.

The vendetta is an outcome of your desperate desire to tell everyone you were right. Which is pathetic of itself, because you never told us what you thought of him until his lack of impact became obvious.

 

[The acurate one]

I've wondered if these blokes ever look at the opponents who torch them every week and ask themselves why?



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That's a great point to ponder. I highly doubt it, well until they get delisted. Our first massive list culling caught a lot of players unawares. Pleaded for another chance apparently.

Said they didn't know and would improve. Well it would seem as a collective we haven't learnt much. And is why we will axe another ten or so. Yes that isn't great, but we will or need to keep cutting away until we find those capable.

0/10 ****ing zero and ten.

 

[Junk yard]

No-one can read your last 20-30 posts in this thread with concluding with certainty that there is a vendetta against him.

The vendetta is an outcome of your desperate desire to tell everyone you were right. Which is pathetic of itself, because you never told us what you thought of him until his lack of impact became obvious.

Not true, was excited about him when we drafted him. Was off him 2yrs ago. Would much rather have been wrong about him. Have been wrong plenty of times about our own and couldn't be happier. I mostly only post rubbish after weekend drinking and a loss. From all reports he's a good kid and I feel for him but he's not up to it. I've never wished failure on any of our players.

 

[The acurate one]

I think if Will modelled his game on say Reid from WCE and ran really fast and kicked the ball a very long way. I suggest he would be back in the side in no time.

Ponder that, if you will

 

[HBFlanker]

Clarko does mark him harder because he knows him personally away from the footy club.
And it means there’s extra pressure as well as living up to the pick 3 price tag.
Feels like he’s owes the club but nothing is working right now.

Not as fit as he should be. Little too muscly. Low on confidence and knows he’s not part of the alpha core and on the outer as a best 22.

Just a really toxic place to be with his footy right now and an exit for a fresh start seems likely from the outside looking in.

Ive just seen this and you have to be kidding surely?

No way in the world this occurs.

 

[justroyal]

I think today showed we need to replace Simpkin, Phillips, Lazaro and Drury. It’s unfortunate, but these smaller non impactful types who don’t possess speed or strength aren’t going to get a foot in unless they take it up to a level which I just don’t think they have

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Well I'm not talking just fringe players here, but I'd risk OP over certain delisting any day of the week.

Well sure if your career is more or less done then what have you got to lose? But going into a make or break season as Will did this year, you wouldn't want to be stuck in rehab for months.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Ive just seen this and you have to be kidding surely?

No way in the world this occurs.

Yup. Some of these comments, you just have to roll your eyes. Clarko is certainly not treating Will differently because he went to the same school as Clarko's kid.

 

[HBFlanker]

Yup. Some of these comments, you just have to roll your eyes. Clarko is certainly not treating Will differently because he went to the same school as Clarko's kid.

Agreed. Its a Ridiculous comment and one that jeopardises clarkos position.

Will is where he is, because he hasnt developed his game. Thats on our staff and him to work through.

I said at the start of the season this is it for Will. Its his last chance, and he hasnt taken it.

 

[Slamming Sam]

There's definitely a future spot in this team for Will Phil. Today, for example, Shiels was playing a tagging role on Merrett. Shiels most likely retires at the end of the season, so there is one midfielder that needs to be replaced. Could the tagging role be Will's, going forward?

 

[billnats]

There's definitely a future spot in this team for Will Phil. Today, for example, Shiels was playing a tagging role on Merrett. Shiels most likely retires at the end of the season, so there is one midfielder that needs to be replaced. Could the tagging role be Will's, going forward?

He’s not fit enough to tag a player around the ground.

Will has always been a ball hunter in stoppages.

Very hard to just flip your DNA and become a stopper.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

He’s not fit enough to tag a player around the ground.

Will has always been a ball hunter in stoppages.

Very hard to just flip your DNA and become a stopper.

Yes, you're spot on with this and it's not just being a stopper because tagging is pretty much a redundant tactic these days. Instead, defensive mids tend to sweep and hold position and zone off, which again, as you say, is against the DNA of a ball hunter like Will. When he plays VFL, I notice him standing off the contest on the defensive side of a clearance, which is obviously under instruction as that's the role he will play in the AFL if and when he gets the call up. So when people complain that he isn't getting 40 touches in the magoos as they think he should, there's a reason for that as he's probably being told not to hunt the ball. And when he gets promoted to the AFL when people feel he hasn't smashed the door down to earn the call up, that's because they don't know the KPIs he's been given. And I suggest that those are KPIs that you won't necessarily see on his individual stat sheet. However, the fact that he's in and out of the side shows that he's not achieving the KPIs expected of him at AFL level. And the reason for that comes right back to the points you make about fitness and the role being unfamiliar and against his instincts.

 

[ferball]

Yes, you're spot on with this and it's not just being a stopper because tagging is pretty much a redundant tactic these days. Instead, defensive mids tend to sweep and hold position and zone off, which again, as you say, is against the DNA of a ball hunter like Will. When he plays VFL, I notice him standing off the contest on the defensive side of a clearance, which is obviously under instruction as that's the role he will play in the AFL if and when he gets the call up. So when people complain that he isn't getting 40 touches in the magoos as they think he should, there's a reason for that as he's probably being told not to hunt the ball. And when he gets promoted to the AFL when people feel he hasn't smashed the door down to earn the call up, that's because they don't know the KPIs he's been given. And I suggest that those are KPIs that you won't necessarily see on his individual stat sheet. However, the fact that he's in and out of the side shows that he's not achieving the KPIs expected of him at AFL level. And the reason for that comes right back to the points you make about fitness and the role being unfamiliar and against his instincts.

Its noticeable in the VFL games I've watched with him playing and it looks like it goes against his instincts and he has to work at it.