List Mgmt. 2024 List Management discussion

[StevoJenkins]

I don't think Cam will be traded ever. He's a symbol of players staying at Brisbane after a period of them not. Cam does need to be put in the VFL for a stint though, but this won't happen, as who comes in to replace him?

This is like the Berry on the wing debate. He doesn't continuously get games based on form; he gets games because he's the only one we have that plays that position well (Sharp isn't there yet but could own that position if given a decent stint of games in the starting 18). If Gardiner was still available, you'd play him at the moment over Rayner every day of the week in the pseudo 3rd/4th tall spot, but he's not around.

Come 2025, the team looks a lot different with Coleman, Gardiner, Doodee, both Ashcroft's and Marshall in the team. But until then, you've got to make a team with what you have.

 

[pod17]

Ryan wasn't brought in as a quality KPF, otherwise we would've had to stump up more than a second round pick and more money for him.

I think it's being overstated how good a player McStay was. He was a key forward that never kicked more than 28 goals in a season and averaged 1.4 contested marks per game last year. Our issues are much bigger than what McStay would supposedly bring to our side.

McStay ventured up the ground quite often. He regularly took strong contested marks to give us a long kicking option out of our backline. I think his reliability in the air was an asset that we've not been able to cover yet.

To me, we look absolutely stagnant around stoppages. I am not sure if Bailey or Wilmot could go into the midfield mix (along with Ashcroft when) for some stints? I'd be very interested in us looking to inject some pace through one of our MSD picks, and hope that exposure to a full-time professional environment might lead to some deficiencies being ironed out (skills or aerobic capacity for example). McCluggage, Neale, Berry and co being left behind when there is speed on the ball is something we need to address if we are to challenge again next year.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

AFL Mid-Season Draft: Top picks and draft bolters

The mid-season draft has become a regular fixture in the footy calendar, and its next instalment arrives on Wednesday. ESPN draft expert Jasper Chellappah takes a look at who each club might take.

www.espn.com.au

ESPN links us with Will McLachlan, Noah Howes and Kyle Dunkley

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Kyle Dunkley

Age

25

Ht

185cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.6

2star

K

6.8

3star

HB

2.8

2star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

9.6

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.6

3star

. I think McLachlan will be gone before our first pick. Howes will probably be there, and he's young and talented. Personally I'd prefer Oskar Smartt because I'm a sucker for a manic pressure player, but it's possible the club feels Howes is the more talented player.

 

[knaf]

I watch every VFL game, quite a few live and not once have I thought Kyle Dunkley is AFL material and I certainly don’t think he’d offer anything to the senior team. I find it odd that his barrel keeps getting pushed forward.

Solid vfl level player.

 

[Nathan Barley]

I watch every VFL game, quite a few live and not once have I thought Kyle Dunkley is AFL material and I certainly don’t think he’d offer anything to the senior team. I find it odd that his barrel keeps getting pushed forward.

That's kind of the standard you're looking at in the MSD

 

[M Malice]

With this season just about done and dusted re finals I think we should be going with high upside/potential not play a good role/depth players in the MSD, look for players with pace to burn/x factor.. I am still very keen on Frank Szekely.

Unlikely to pay off but we have nothing to lose if we give 2-3 players 6 month stints to show what they have got.

 

[briztoon]

I don't think Cam will be traded ever. He's a symbol of players staying at Brisbane after a period of them not. Cam does need to be put in the VFL for a stint though, but this won't happen, as who comes in to replace him?

This is like the Berry on the wing debate. He doesn't continuously get games based on form; he gets games because he's the only one we have that plays that position well (Sharp isn't there yet but could own that position if given a decent stint of games in the starting 18). If Gardiner was still available, you'd play him at the moment over Rayner every day of the week in the pseudo 3rd/4th tall spot, but he's not around.

Come 2025, the team looks a lot different with Coleman, Gardiner, Doodee, both Ashcroft's and Marshall in the team. But until then, you've got to make a team with what you have.

Not sure if Marshall starts as a best 22 player. I believe he’s probably best suited to a wing role, to start his career, and he’ll be competing for that bench wing position.

 

[StevoJenkins]

Not sure if Marshall starts as a best 22 player. I believe he’s probably best suited to a wing role, to start his career, and he’ll be competing for that bench wing position.

Fair. Just pointing out that there could be a decent amount of change with recruits (Doodee + probably an unknown/anyone worth keeping from the MSD) getting back in shape and others coming back from injury.

 

[haystark]

Go after Chad Warner

1

Chad Warner

Age

24

Ht

185cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.0

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

2star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

2star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

2star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

4star

CL

0.0

1star

. Knocked back an offer from Sydney so he’s obviously open to a move, whether that be home to WA or somewhere else remains to be seen. Cracker of a player and gives it everything, something we need.

 

[Sproj]

Wonder if there is also any truth to Lachie wanting to go back to Perth as soon as next year. I’d suspect if he wants to win a flag that he may think Freo is a lot closer than we are which I guess you could see some making such an argument.

This will get a lot of vitriol I'm sure but...if he does and Freo want him and are willing to pay up for him - entertain it. He is now 31 and is showing a lot of signs of being beat up, could be a lot of short term pain for more long term gain.

 

[briztoon]

Go after Chad Warner. Knocked back an offer from Sydney so he’s obviously open to a move, whether that be home to WA or somewhere else remains to be seen. Cracker of a player and gives it everything, something we need.

Where has this been reported?

 

[StevoJenkins]

Go after Chad Warner. Knocked back an offer from Sydney so he’s obviously open to a move, whether that be home to WA or somewhere else remains to be seen. Cracker of a player and gives it everything, something we need.

I wouldn't say he's rejected an offer. All recent reports say he's put talks on hold.

Very different from knocking back an offer.

 

[pod17]

This will get a lot of vitriol I'm sure but...if he does and Freo want him and are willing to pay up for him - entertain it. He is now 31 and is showing a lot of signs of being beat up, could be a lot of short term pain for more long term gain.

Had a great game on the weekend with the most (?) metres gained in his career. If we think we can win it next year, which we should given the list profile, he’d still be an important part of the tilt unless a mid 20’s aged, quality midfielder was miraculously able to materialise as part of the deal.

 

[mpal6]

Go after Chad Warner. Knocked back an offer from Sydney so he’s obviously open to a move, whether that be home to WA or somewhere else remains to be seen. Cracker of a player and gives it everything, something we need.

The rate at which Warner is progressing this season, they might trade Logan McDonald or even Captain Mills to keep him.

Heeney, Mills, Parker used to be the buzz but the torch has well n truly passed over to Heeney, Gulden, Warner.

 

[M Malice]

I'd trade Cam Rayner for Chad Warner

1

Chad Warner

Age

24

Ht

185cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.0

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

2star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

2star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

2star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

4star

CL

0.0

1star

...

 

[brutus76]

With Guthrie, Duncan and Danger at or almost at the end the Suitcase would be the perfect Cat to lead the young kitten mids from 2025

Plus it's less than 2 hours from his old man's farm in Panmure to Geelong

 

[Johnny Bananas]

With this season just about done and dusted re finals I think we should be going with high upside/potential not play a good role/depth players in the MSD, look for players with pace to burn/x factor.. I am still very keen on Frank Szekely.

See I don't disagree, but while Szekely undoubtedly has pace and X-factor, he's almost 25, he's about to enter his peak years and so probably doesn't have that much more upside than what we see now. It's 18 year olds like Smartt and Howes who have the most potential.

 

[Tom14]

This will get a lot of vitriol I'm sure but...if he does and Freo want him and are willing to pay up for him - entertain it. He is now 31 and is showing a lot of signs of being beat up, could be a lot of short term pain for more long term gain.

Why would they want him? They have Serong, Brayshaw and Young as their midfield core for the future with rotational options already. Doesn't make sense for their timeframe at all.

I think they really weren't that interested in 2021 and that is part of the reason why ultimately Lachie didn't make a trade reuqest.

 

[Surly Boy]

Hmmmm.....

 

[M Malice]

Hmmmm.....

I think we would regret him leaving if it happened, Charlie is turning 30 soon but could have 3-4 very good years left in him, I look at it as similar to Eddie Betts who in his first year going from the Blues to Crows turned 28 and had 6 very good years as a Crow.

You don't get your hands on too many Charlie Cameron level talents, looking at their career stats Charlie and Eddie have very similar stats, both averaging 1.8 goals and 3.0 tackles per game over their careers.

 

[Dalions]

Hmmmm.....

Charlie trying to get away from this stain of a club!

 

[Dalions]

From the outside looking in and going back to the U.S trip, Cam and Charlie are the 2 that seem most affected.
Both having very underwhelming years.
If it come to a choice between the 2 who would we least like to lose?

 

[M Malice]

It is so mournful that I am looking forward to the mid season draft.

 

[Nunez]

Wonder if there is also any truth to Lachie wanting to go back to Perth as soon as next year. I’d suspect if he wants to win a flag that he may think Freo is a lot closer than we are which I guess you could see some making such an argument.

Not this again

 

[martinson]

Charlie will never opt to leave the Lions by choice imo.