Star Wars The Acolyte

[glenferry23]

Fires/explosions in space has always been a thing in Star Wars. There’s countless examples, I cite one above. When old mate A Wing crashed into The Executor’s bridge when their bridge deflector shield was down, thus sending it into the Death Star II.

I care little for that stuff. I care less for the “anti woke” shit that a very fragile and entitled pocket of the fan base continue to whinge about. Review sites I also pay little attention to as a result. I prefer to see things with my own eyes and decide for myself.

There are however too many substandard moments and scenes in the Disney era. I understand that and have scratched my head how some of them have been allowed, given the resources available at their disposal.

From being able to select from the top shelf of writers, filmmakers, visual effects artists and so on. Yet they’ve produced such moments as the terrible “chase” sequences in Book Of Boba Fett (the fluro BMX bandits) and Kenobi (goons chasing young Leia) and who could forget “somehow Palpatine returned”. This kind of shit just shouldn’t be happening, unnecessary stuff.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Yeah, it’s stupid but it literally happens in every Star Wars that ever warred.

If we’re going to get all scientifically accurate then fire in space is a loooong way down the list of improbabilities.

That was just one example. She buckled up her seat belt to crash land unscathed on a very conveniently nearby, breathable atmosphere planet.

In shows by the same producers we have seen people with their guts skewered by light sabres and survive. Yet a Jedi master is killed by a small knife thrown by a novice.

Why defend the nonsense, just because there's been that crap before?

One of the reasons I prefer Rogue One and Andor to much of the other Star Wars is that there's less of the stupid stuff. It's almost like grown ups wrote it for a grown up audience.

 

[Kellythatsit]

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Fires/explosions in space has always been a thing in Star Wars. There’s countless examples, I cite one above. When old mate A Wing crashed into The Executor’s bridge when their bridge deflector shield was down, thus sending it into the Death Star II.

I care little for that stuff. I care less for the “anti woke” shit that a very fragile and entitled pocket of the fan base continue to whinge about. Review sites I also pay little attention to as a result. I prefer to see things with my own eyes and decide for myself.

There are however too many substandard moments and scenes in the Disney era. I understand that and have scratched my head how some of them have been allowed, given the resources available at their disposal.

From being able to select from the top shelf of writers, filmmakers, visual effects artists and so on. Yet they’ve produced such moments as the terrible “chase” sequences in Book Of Boba Fett (the fluro BMX bandits) and Kenobi (goons chasing young Leia) and who could forget “somehow Palpatine returned”. This kind of shit just shouldn’t be happening, unnecessary stuff.

Agree about the chase scenes. For something that was once a staple of the franchise, those two particular scenes were amateur at best.

Don’t have any issues with the Palpatine reveal though.

 

[SM]

That was just one example. She buckled up her seat belt to crash land unscathed on a very conveniently nearby, breathable atmosphere planet.

In shows by the same producers we have seen people with their guts skewered by light sabres and survive. Yet a Jedi master is killed by a small knife thrown by a novice.

Why defend the nonsense, just because there's been that crap before?

One of the reasons I prefer Rogue One and Andor to much of the other Star Wars is that there's less of the stupid stuff. It's almost like grown ups wrote it for a grown up audience.

You say this as if producers have much creative influence? This is also 100-150 years before those other shows, plus we've had two episodes, we don't know what sorts of weapons she has or if they may be particularly effective against Jedi. Plus to your own argument of accepting things just because they happened before. If we had cheap deaths in previous shows (in the sense they were meaningless because the characters ended up surviving) why should we complain if we now have characters actually dying realistically?

 

[Kellythatsit]

It's not an improbability; it's an impossibility.

LOL. If we’re really using the scientific method, there is no impossibility.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

It's not an improbability; it's an impossibility.

The reason there is no oxygen in space is because there used to be lots of fires.

 

[Kellythatsit]

That was just one example. She buckled up her seat belt to crash land unscathed on a very conveniently nearby, breathable atmosphere planet.

In shows by the same producers we have seen people with their guts skewered by light sabres and survive. Yet a Jedi master is killed by a small knife thrown by a novice.

Why defend the nonsense, just because there's been that crap before?

One of the reasons I prefer Rogue One and Andor to much of the other Star Wars is that there's less of the stupid stuff. It's almost like grown ups wrote it for a grown up audience.

Yeah but what’s the point then? Why go into a Star War expecting that? That’s never been the point of the series. Lucas designed it as a space fantasy that harkens back to the old adventure serials of yester-year. Have you ever seen any of those? There’s always been a requirement to suspend your disbelief for anyone older than 12.

While your criticism may be valid, It’s like slowing down a fight scene to highlight the errors or focusing on the puppet strings rather than watching the puppet show. You’re kind of ruining your own fun.

Imagine if in 1977 30 year olds had an outlet online to scoff at the impossibility of hyperspace? Or in 1980, lampoon the impracticalities of lumbering imperial walkers, or giant slugs living in space. How far do you think the saga would have advanced if it was released to today’s geek culture with all the online vitriol and second guessing that takes place?

You bring up Andor and Rogue One as examples of what Star Wars should be, written for a grown up audience. But that’s never what Star Wars has been. Those are the outliers, the exceptions, made to both acknowledge and satisfy an older market that has grown beyond the original intent of the movies.

By insisting that ALL Star Wars now be made with this same demographic in mind is denying what actually made and continues to make Star Wars what it is: a space fantasy adventure. A modern day mythology where reality takes second seat to story and discovery.

 

[Brick Loosener]

Let’s not pretend that from the moment this show was announced there hasn’t been an orchestrated campaign by certain anti-fan hate groups to tear it down.

Online misinformation from the usual offenders proclaiming the show was dead, or Headland was fired, and general unsourced reports of how terrible the story was began years ago.

Then there was the campaign to dislike the trailer led by Geeks & Gamers and cohort. Fans of those channels flocked to the trailer to downvote it, ironically increasing engagement and making it one of the most viewed trailers in modern memory.

There’s a storied and demonstrable history of these same sites and anti-fans review bombing these kinds of shows and movies. So much so that most general punters are wise to this tactic and take little to no stock in audience scores at all.

Online YouTubers proclaimed the show an unmitigated disaster months/years before anyone had even seen a single clip. Now they are back piling on bad faith critiques about “fire in space” and “bad writing” while regurgitating the same old dead rhetoric about poor audience reviews they themselves have orchestrated. Hardly objective or unbiased commentary.

The only people review bombing this show are the critics.

 

[exe ex machina]

Seen both episodes. Wobbly beginning to this show. Hopefully it gets better. Didn't like the kung fu matrix. None of the regular characters are particularly interesting.

I liked the impenetrable sleeping monk jedi idea, but now he's dead. Would've been cool if they used him a little here and there across the show, in various settings or situations around him, with him remaining an impenetrable sleeping monk jedi.

A lot of sub-par writing and general plot contrivances. It's not high end, this show not meant to be that, more back to the usual adventuring and mission of the day type stuff.

But theres potential for it to hit those marks IF it delves into the actual Acolyte herself, her master, his world.

Seems so far that they are not the centerpiece of the show, but tha background storyline and character to drive the focus on the Asian jedi master and Osha.

My expectation for this show before it released was just that....that they'd finally showcase the dark siders, their world, their struggles and everyday stories. So that will be my interest moving forward, hoping they do that.

As it is, my only interest is learning more about the Acolyte herself and who her master is, and seeing emphasis on them.

 

[Frank Bunn]

I liked the impenetrable sleeping monk jedi idea, but now he's dead. Would've been cool if they used him a little here and there across the show, in various settings or situations around him, with him remaining an impenetrable sleeping monk jedi.

The Carrie-Anne Moss character, Indara, is also dead. That's two potentially significant characters gone without getting to know anything about them. I assume that's not the last we see of them. We are due for an exposition dump backstory episode where they explain what happened in the past. But even if we learn more about Indira and the monk Jedi the emotional impact of their deaths is lost. They are relying on us associating Carrie-Anne Moss with the Matrix Trinity character which is pretty lame.

The idea of a Wookie Jedi is cool but a character who can only growl is always going to be limited. They've gone for the evil twin trope, but disclosed the mystery in the first episode.

Putting aside the dumb stuff that 12 year olds can overlook, and the boring culture wars nonsense, they still have to get the basics of storytelling right.

 

[SM]

The Carrie-Anne Moss character, Indara, is also dead. That's two potentially significant characters gone without getting to know anything about them. I assume that's not the last we see of them. We are due for an exposition dump backstory episode where they explain what happened in the past. But even if we learn more about Indira and the monk Jedi the emotional impact of their deaths is lost. They are relying on us associating Carrie-Anne Moss with the Matrix Trinity character which is pretty lame.

The idea of a Wookie Jedi is cool but a character who can only growl is always going to be limited. They've gone for the evil twin trope, but disclosed the mystery in the first episode.

Putting aside the dumb stuff that 12 year olds can overlook, and the boring culture wars nonsense, they still have to get the basics of storytelling right.

There are going to be substantial flashbacks.

 

[Kellythatsit]

The Carrie-Anne Moss character, Indara, is also dead. That's two potentially significant characters gone without getting to know anything about them. I assume that's not the last we see of them. We are due for an exposition dump backstory episode where they explain what happened in the past. But even if we learn more about Indira and the monk Jedi the emotional impact of their deaths is lost. They are relying on us associating Carrie-Anne Moss with the Matrix Trinity character which is pretty lame.

The idea of a Wookie Jedi is cool but a character who can only growl is always going to be limited. They've gone for the evil twin trope, but disclosed the mystery in the first episode.

Putting aside the dumb stuff that 12 year olds can overlook, and the boring culture wars nonsense, they still have to get the basics of storytelling right.

I don’t think you’re supposed to have any specific feelings towards those characters other than curiosity about what they did.

I agree that it’s an interesting move to bring in an actor like Moss and then kill her off before the first title has even appeared. I’m assuming it’s to create interest in what has happened in her past and also to make you feel like “no one is safe”.

The fight scenes are great. Not too sure why people have a problem with them frankly.

 

[SM]

I don’t think you’re supposed to have any specific feelings towards those characters other than curiosity about what they did.

I agree that it’s an interesting move to bring in an actor like Moss and then kill her off before the first title has even appeared. I’m assuming it’s to create interest in what has happened in her past and also to make you feel like “no one is safe”.

The fight scenes are great. Not too sure why people have a problem with them frankly.

I didn't even know she was in the matrix so certainly had no impact on me other than as an interesting hook.

I think a lot of people don't actually know what they were expecting from this show so are looking for things to explain their disappointment. Pointing to the fight scenes is quite odd, as you said.

 

[Kellythatsit]

I didn't even know she was in the matrix so certainly had no impact on me other than as an interesting hook.

I think a lot of people don't actually know what they were expecting from this show so are looking for things to explain their disappointment. Pointing to the fight scenes is quite odd, as you said.

I’m with you. I get there’s some pacing issues and some of the plot points seem a tad contrived but overall the story has me hooked. It’s pretty much what a lot of the fan base has been screaming for:

[emoji736] Cool fight scenes
[emoji736] Set in an unexplored time period
[emoji736] New, interesting characters
[emoji736] The Jedi in their prime
[emoji736] Exploration of the Sith
[emoji736] Darker themes and story

 

[Brick Loosener]

"If you attack a jedi with a weapon, you will fail. Steel or laser are no threat to them."

Things to tell your Acolyte after they kill a Jedi master with a throwing knife.

 

[Forward Press]

I’m with you. I get there’s some pacing issues and some of the plot points seem a tad contrived but overall the story has me hooked. It’s pretty much what a lot of the fan base has been screaming for:

[emoji736] Cool fight scenes
[emoji736] Set in an unexplored time period
[emoji736] New, interesting characters
[emoji736] The Jedi in their prime
[emoji736] Exploration of the Sith
[emoji736] Darker themes and story

Yes pretty much me on this one. Definitely original, an interesting take on the same old things, and no unnecessary fan service which actually does ruin a series.

But, as usual, there is yet another endless debate on minutiae. Who f***ing cares, it it destroys your enjoyment of it watch something else. I guess it's true that the people who hate Star Wars the most are Star Wars fans.

 

[Gasometer]

I got 20 minutes in and turned it off

Maybe I will come back when the whole season is out

I thought it was garbage

I’m no expert on SciFi or the depths of SW cannon or not cannon but that first 20 minutes were up there for ridiculousness

 

[OhhhhhCyril]

So I went back after watching it first thing on Thursday evening thinking I may have overreacted to this whole thing and just watch it for what it was.
Unfortunately, and I know 2 episodes is a small sample size.. I just don’t care for any of the characters, or the story so far, in fact I got confused what the hell was going on throughout.

A murder mystery set in the Star Wars universe, where everyone fights like the matrix.. to me if feels just off..

I couldn’t care less about the female force and everyone is gay.. whatever that doesn’t nor should it control the narrative of the story. It’s just terrible tv and yet again, I feel like KK and Disney are trying to tell us rather than give fans of the Star Wars universe what we might enjoy.

first 2 seasons of Mando/Andor prove that they are capable of great TV.. it’s Such a shame, because there is so much potential…

 

[FlowersByIrene]

I can accept space ships making whirring and whooshing noises in the vacuum of space. It enhances the experience, a bit like an electric vehicle generating the sound of an exhaust or changing gear. But flames on the outside of a spaceship is just dumb. It was a idiotic way to show Osha having a mini flashback.

Flames have happened in space and on ships throughout all of Star Wars, it's part of the charm. There are lots to criticise this show for validly, but this isn't one of them.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Here were my thoughts while watching the first episode.

• George Lucas making Jedis government enforcers in Phantom has broken the mind of the woke left at Disney. Now they just see Jedi as police who they think deserve to die. Blue lightsaber lives matter anyone?
• this fight coreopgrpahy is pretty good all things considered, don't mind the force fu
• why do Disney keep making their villains black women? Are they racist?
• Acolytes "mother and sister" were lost... couldn't possibly have lost a male family member could she.
• Lol, most ethnically diverse group of younglings.. not a single white male amongst them though. It's just funny to think of what goes through these people's head "that will show them!"
• A jedi on jedi death would be fuel for the Jedis "political enemies". Immediately the Jedi take the Democrat position of obfuscating and lying to avoid conflict. Maybe it's not a Galaxy so far away... or maybe it just shows the mind of those writing this show.
• wrf.. didn't she force push a jedi knight earlier. Now she can't pick up a telecommunications droid from 2 feet away.
• Ahh so the villain is a black woman because she's a twin of the protagonist. Take that world, black women can be evil and ambiguously not evil / good

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Flames have happened in space and on ships throughout all of Star Wars, it's part of the charm. There are lots to criticise this show for validly, but this isn't one of them.

There’s a big ball of fire in the sky right now.

Don’t look up!

 

[Forward Press]

So I went back after watching it first thing on Thursday evening thinking I may have overreacted to this whole thing and just watch it for what it was.
Unfortunately, and I know 2 episodes is a small sample size.. I just don’t care for any of the characters, or the story so far, in fact I got confused what the hell was going on throughout.

A murder mystery set in the Star Wars universe, where everyone fights like the matrix.. to me if feels just off..

I couldn’t care less about the female force and everyone is gay.. whatever that doesn’t nor should it control the narrative of the story. It’s just terrible tv and yet again, I feel like KK and Disney are trying to tell us rather than give fans of the Star Wars universe what we might enjoy.

first 2 seasons of Mando/Andor prove that they are capable of great TV.. it’s Such a shame, because there is so much potential…

Please, if you ask ten Star Wars fans what they want from a series you'd get fifteen different answers.

You should judge each series by what it is, not by what you want it to be.

Mando was great because it's the first entry - I guarantee that if it was released today people would moan about shoehorning in a cute character for the kids, the lack of personality from the main character, and using a desert planet as the main setting again.

 

[Gasometer]

Please, if you ask ten Star Wars fans what they want from a series you'd get fifteen different answers.

You should judge each series by what it is, not by what you want it to be.

Mando was great because it's the first entry - I guarantee that if it was released today people would moan about shoehorning in a cute character for the kids, the lack of personality from the main character, and using a desert planet as the main setting again.

Probably not lol

 

[Gasometer]

There’s explosions and then there’s fire

It’s as ruining as Leia floating in space

Some of these Cats at Disney should go and watch a couple of seasons of The Expanse

 

[BlakeyNoFlakey]

They even show explosions in space wrong in soft sci-fi, but we all accept it as just a movie/TV thing (like sound in space). But when you see something that strains credibility to the point of ridiculousness you have to laugh. Surely they were taking the piss out of fans with that fire-in-space crap. I also don't understand why, out of all the fandoms in the world, if you dare criticize anything in SW, then you get hounded by people like you've personally insulted them. It's a weird world.