Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 1

[CatToTheFuture]

His inclusion in our forwardline was the biggest difference to our scoring potency in 2022.

You often hear people on here saying we wouldn't have won 2022 without Cameron. For me it's Stengle.

It's not all about his individual brilliance, but the way his inclusion had our forwardline functioning, with the right balance of aerial and ground-level threats.

I would say there were a lot of things that had to go right and stengle is one of them but jez got me is the first and foremost. Without him I don't think stengle ever comes to us

 

[allrighty]

Have we actually heard he doesn't like Geelong or the Surf Coast? He doesn't owe Geelong anything but should remember who gave him the lifeline and enabled him to become an All Australian premiership player. This is all posturing to ensure he gets the best possible deal at Geelong, IMO.

EDIT. St Kilda and Essendon touted as suitors. Enough said. If Essendon play finals they will face a salary cap squeeze, and St Kilda, pffft!!

1. Imagine Tyson in Lyon's game plan!!!!!
2. Essedon can send Darcy Parish back home to us in return.

 

[moond0g]

Have we actually heard he doesn't like Geelong or the Surf Coast? He doesn't owe Geelong anything but should remember who gave him the lifeline and enabled him to become an All Australian premiership player. This is all posturing to ensure he gets the best possible deal at Geelong, IMO.

EDIT. St Kilda and Essendon touted as suitors. Enough said. If Essendon play finals they will face a salary cap squeeze, and St Kilda, pffft!!

No, I have no idea if he does/doesn't like living in Geelong, I'm just going on what's reported. But you rarely see a player come out and say mid-season that they don't like living somewhere. So i don't think his absence of public comment about it is evidence one way or another. And completely disagree on the point about remembering that we gave him a lifeline. He owes us nothing.

But on the point of him not liking Geelong as a city, I think we have to accept this is going to happen sometimes. The slow paced, country lifestyle is attractive for some, and helped us recruit Cameron for example. But it's going to be unattractive for others, so we have to take the good with the bad.

 

[D BRIDGE]

If we were pushing bottom 4 on the ladder, I’d be fine with Stengle going if we got tier 1 compo.

Winning the first 7 probably put a line through that though.

He’s a very good player, but if he goes we have Mannagh to come into that spot.

Sure it’s a downgrade but we might just be able to use the compo we get to upgrade our dire midfield.

In the end I’m not stressing.

If he stays… good.
If he goes, it is what is is.

Losing very good players is never ideal but this isn’t at a losing Holmes level for mine.

Stengle came and got the job done for us.

Good luck to him either way.

 

[allrighty]

But on the point of him not liking Geelong as a city, I think we have to accept this is going to happen sometimes.

EG Grundy and likely many others as you say.

 

[AM]

Collingwood have nothing to trade for him, so that counts them out.

The Collingwood CEO has spent his entire career working the system. If they want him and he wants to go there, they'll find a way.

 

[AM]

So according to this Stengle doesnt like Geelong itself and we would only be able to offer 600k and the bombers will offer him 800k, if any of that is true then he’s gone, given his past he will want to lock in that massive contract.

Rivals confident of luring star amid $800k offers; Hawk reportedly re-pledges loyalty: Trade Whispers

Cats brace for $800k raid as rivals circle star; gun responds to Roos link: AFL Trade Whispers

www.foxsports.com.au

Eddie Betts's partner is not only Tyson's manager but mentor too. He's also very close to Eddie and his kids. I believe he stays with them whenever possible. Think it's more his closeness and dependence on them than a particular dislike for Geelong.

Gullan doesn't get much about the Cats wrong. But I agree with Landsberger that Gullan's speculation about a possible deal to get Darcy is fanciful. Freo wants him. Freo is where he wants to live. And I'm over coughing- up our early draft picks. Particularly for an injury-prone ruckman.

I can understand Essendon, but St Kilda? Can't be interested in another flag in that case. He spends most of his off-season in his home State as he has friends there, so maybe Port or Crows.

Fingers crossed we aren't out of the race. I'd prefer we stump-up the speculated money than throw that plus some on Bayley Smith.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Eddie Betts's partner is not only Tyson's manager but mentor too. He's also very close to Eddie and his kids. I believe he stays with them whenever possible. Think it's more his closeness and dependence on them than a particular dislike for Geelong.

Gullan doesn't get much about the Cats wrong. But I agree with Landsberger that Gullan's speculation about a possible deal to get Darcy is fanciful. Freo wants him. Freo is where he wants to live. And I'm over coughing- up our early draft picks. Particularly for an injury-prone ruckman.

I can understand Essendon, but St Kilda? Can't be interested in another flag in that case. He spends most of his off-season in his home State as he has friends there, so maybe Port or Crows.

Fingers crossed we aren't out of the race. I'd prefer we stump-up the speculated money than throw that plus some on Bayley Smith.

We haven't done that for a good 4 or 5 years.

I know it sucks that we're seemingly immune to getting free agents like Danger & Cameron as actual 'free agents'...but that's a long time ago now.

We've taken SDK, Holmes, O'Sullivan, & Clark with first round picks in the last 5 years.

Traded for former first round picks in Henry & Bruhn, while we've taken Conway, Knevitt, Neale, Mannagh, & Edwards with earlier seconds...and they all look like being long term players to varying degrees at this early stage.

We haven't been trading away anything, we've actually been really commited to the draft and even been upgrading our picks even higher (See Bowes/Clark)

You're correct that we won't be trading for Darcy, and I would really dislike if we did somehow do it.

With that being said, we do need some mature talent urgently, mainly in the midfield.

Bringing in even more kids - regardless of their talent - is not going to fix that for another year, two, or even three.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

Bit surprised over the casual attitudes of some regarding Stengle possibly leaving.

I’d personally be gutted. He’s one of our best players and would hurt the team massively if he goes.
Mannagh won’t just come in and replace him. No one will.
Stengle is all class, a rare talent and the club would be mad to let him go. You do everything you can to keep your best players.
Jez is on a mill ffs and has been utterly useless as of late.
Pay Tyson what he wants and be done with it.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Bit surprised over the casual attitudes of some regarding Stengle possibly leaving.

I’d personally be gutted. He’s one of our best players and would hurt the team massively if he goes.
Mannagh won’t just come in and replace him. No one will.
Stengle is all class, a rare talent and the club would be mad to let him go. You do everything you can to keep your best players.
Jez is on a mill ffs and has been utterly useless as of late.
Pay Tyson what he wants and be done with it.

I would be gutted, but it'll be his choice

 

[moond0g]

Bit surprised over the casual attitudes of some regarding Stengle possibly leaving.

I’d personally be gutted. He’s one of our best players and would hurt the team massively if he goes.
Mannagh won’t just come in and replace him. No one will.
Stengle is all class, a rare talent and the club would be mad to let him go. You do everything you can to keep your best players.
Jez is on a mill ffs and has been utterly useless as of late.
Pay Tyson what he wants and be done with it.

If it’s a matter of money and we are refusing to pay more than $600k (which is somewhat the inference from the earlier article, although it’s not clear if this is the case), I’ll be a bit annoyed because he seems obviously worth more than that.

But if it’s due to him wanting to live in Melbourne, it doesn’t matter how much we offer him.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

I would be gutted, but it'll be his choice

All depends on what we are offering. If he wants to go to the highest bidder then sure, whatever. I would hope we are offering him what he’s worth.

I understand we need gun midfielders but Stengle is a player we also need be securing. If it’s at the cost of not getting Oliver, so be it.
One of Smith or Oliver will come anyway. Both would be nice but not at the cost of Stengle. Hopefully we aren’t lowballing him.

 

[calder_daddy]

So according to this Stengle doesnt like Geelong itself and we would only be able to offer 600k and the bombers will offer him 800k, if any of that is true then he’s gone, given his past he will want to lock in that massive contract.

Rivals confident of luring star amid $800k offers; Hawk reportedly re-pledges loyalty: Trade Whispers

Cats brace for $800k raid as rivals circle star; gun responds to Roos link: AFL Trade Whispers

www.foxsports.com.au

That’s the first time I’ve ever been worried about Stengle leaving and that article is damning.
If any of that is true then he’s already gone IMO

Maybe my hypothetical last week can come to fruition

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I'm less worried about the pick and more worried about the contract.

If a pick 15 draftee doesn't work out it's shit but they're on the list for 3-4 years and are never paid more than way below average wage.

Why would Smith be choosing us? He seems to love the limelight so why is he wanting to go to Geelong? Is he really going to come here for unders from a contract perspective?

And why should guys like Holmes, Miers, Guthrie, Stengle, etc sign for unders if we're throwing money at Smith?

Im not worried about the contract in the sense the cap room is there and i think bailey will want to prove a point. I worry about the knee and using a high pick on this though.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

If we were pushing bottom 4 on the ladder, I’d be fine with Stengle going if we got tier 1 compo.

Winning the first 7 probably put a line through that though.

He’s a very good player, but if he goes we have Mannagh to come into that spot.

Sure it’s a downgrade but we might just be able to use the compo we get to upgrade our dire midfield.

In the end I’m not stressing.

If he stays… good.
If he goes, it is what is is.

Losing very good players is never ideal but this isn’t at a losing Holmes level for mine.

Stengle came and got the job done for us.

Good luck to him either way.

I dont disagree with this. Id like to keep stengle but not at any cost. And i think mannagh would do a very good job.

 

[numbwombat]

That’s the first time I’ve ever been worried about Stengle leaving and that article is damning.
If any of that is true then he’s already gone IMO

Maybe my hypothetical last week can come to fruition

I think he’ll stay. The “quite isolating” quote is from Jon Ralph paraphrasing Stengle’s manager and in context are very standard comments from a manager trying to bump up an offer IMO:

“(Scullie and Betts) have taken Stengle under their wing. He’s had a really troubled childhood as he’s spoken about before. They’ve effectively been his foster family,” Ralph said on Fox Footy’s On the Couch.

“She was referred to in a recent report as a pseudo manager, she bristles at that. She is his manager. She got that AFL permission.

“I think you’d be really silly at Geelong to underestimate her. You look at the nature of free agency right now, he’s probably an $800,000 player. He would like to stay, but as Anna says, it is quite isolating down there (in Geelong) and I’ve got no doubt there are a lot of clubs around looking.

“If I was Geelong, I would not be low-balling Anna or Tyson Stengle.”

 

[Warhorse]

Every chance stengle will be a 2 x all Australian by the end of this year. Losing him over an extra 150k would be a disaster.

 

[And_ROOS]

You're not wrong, but look at it from the clubs perspective and this universe we're projecting here for a sec.

If Stengle's departure opens up the possibility of bringing in 2 elite mids (or 1 elite, and one very good mid), then you can see why they're considering it.

That forward line of ours could suddenly look just as dangerous (if not more so) even without Stengle if we're winning the midfield battle most weeks.

Miers, Close, Mannagh, & Cameron with Dempsey, Henry, & Neale with another pre-season under their belts is still plenty of firepower...and in this scenario with two elite mids coming into the side, they wouldn't be starving for supply either.

I'm not locked into either scenario, as I adore Tyson and would love him to retire a Cat...but there's more than one way to look at this.

We wouldn't just be letting him go for the sake of it when we have the cash to keep him, there would be a reason behind it.

What elite mids though? We aren't linked to anyone. I could understand not stumping up the cash for someone if they were available but also where would we be without Stengle? Competely ****ed. And its not like Stengle is 29 or 30.

 

[And_ROOS]

Every chance stengle will be a 2 x all Australian by the end of this year. Losing him over an extra 150k would be a disaster.

Would be added to the list with Greg Williams of "really, we lost them over HOW much?"

 

[Strange Cat]

People really are overreaching to something that’s hasn’t even happen and could more than likely not happen

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

Every chance stengle will be a 2 x all Australian by the end of this year. Losing him over an extra 150k would be a disaster.

Absolutely. If we aren’t going any higher than 600 and other teams are offering 800 then I don’t blame him.

It’s quoted in that article that “Geelong can’t go any higher than 600”
Surely they can. We will have a heap of players retiring at years end. Should be plenty of cap space.
He’s worth 800.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

What elite mids though? We aren't linked to anyone. I could understand not stumping up the cash for someone if they were available but also where would we be without Stengle? Competely ****ed. And its not like Stengle is 29 or 30.

Part of its forward planning (and im not saying this will happen in this case but we have done it in the past) but geelong targeted guys like dangerfield and henderson a long way out. Its why varcoe was traded in 2014 (a year before FA), why they were never going to offer kelly and stokes and sj deals etc.

We may well be forward planning for say eg ldu being a free agent next year, tdk the same. Cadman off contract the year after etc. Clubs create space when they want to chase players.

Now we can afford those players and stengle but depending on what we have planned we might not be prepared to offer him more than say 750 because we want to keep maximum flexibility.

 

[Commando]

Part of its forward planning (and im saying this will happen in this case but we have done it in the past) but geelong targeted guys like dangerfield and henderson a long way out. Its why varcoe was traded in 2014 (a year before FA), why they were never going to offer kelly and stokes and sj deals etc.

We may well be forward planning for say eg ldu being a free agent next year, tdk the same. Cadman off contract the year after etc. Clubs create space when they want to chase players.

Now we can afford those players and stengle but depending on what we have planned we might not be prepared to offer him more than say 750 because we want to keep maximum flexibility.

Correct! It's not the monetary cost with Stengle wage it's the opportunity cost

 

[Grimoz]

People really are overreaching to something that’s hasn’t even happen and could more than likely not happen

Its a discussion forum so dont think anyones out of line or overreaching by sharing their opinion, your right it might not happen but people can be concerned about it.

 

[foxdog50]

The article does sound like its reaching and looking for signs that arent there but i wouldnt be surprised to see him leave although it would be a kick in the guts for Geelong considering they took a chance on him given his stuff ups.

Yeah I'm the same as you... I might be old fashioned in these things.. Geelong gave him another chance at AFL, and helped into a comfortable zone in looking after him. As Geelong culture is well know in the way players is known to be a AFL player... And if he leaves Geelong from what we gave him...
I don't like it.