List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[eastfreo75]

I think he's lost the pot.

Surely having that level of indecision on that choice would cool us on him considerably. I mean you'd think any pull to the WC would be primarily an emotional and/or financial one.

If you have any sort of drive for being in a contending team while your still able to make any sort of significant contribution, we're a lay down misére.

His management team has dropped the ball on this.

Baker is a top player, West Coast is rebuilding, and Fremantle doesn't need him.

Both clubs would like to have him but won't pay the salary he wants and trade the assets Richmond want.

He and his management team stuffed this up and wanted a massive retirement fund. Now, they are in two minds as both clubs won't pay up.

Baker should have stayed in Victoria and another club would have pay him the amount he wanted.

 

[nurries]

Fyfe performance was all over the shop.

Can Erasmus go past Fyfe of 2024? I think he can.

Bolton will fill small forward hole in spades.

This finals series is great for his development and confidence

 

[arsesmart]

His management team has dropped the ball on this.

Baker is a top player, West Coast is rebuilding, and Fremantle doesn't need him.

Both clubs would like to have him but won't pay the salary he wants and trade the assets Richmond want.

He and his management team stuffed this up and wanted a massive retirement fund. Now, they are in two minds as both clubs won't pay up.

Baker should have stayed in Victoria and another club would have pay him the amount he wanted.

Well certainly their maneuverings would have me, if I was tasked with list management, reducing the bikkies I'd be putting up.

 

[go_the_dockers]

The draft picks given would depend on how much salary Richmond will be willing to pay.
That should be added to the poll or it's pretty pointless.

I don't know how you add paid salary, with out giving people the option to do multiple responses.

You almost need 2 polls, max draft picks with zero salary and max draft picks with 400k salary.

 

[arsesmart]

This finals series is great for his development and confidence

It could be a great transition year for him next year if under Fyfe's wing.

 

[eastfreo75]

Well certainly their maneuverings would have me, if I was tasked with list management, reducing the bikkies I'd be putting up.

Nice to have but I would only be offering 26 which won't get it done.

Money wise in terms of the 12-15 highest paid on the list, which would be rejected.

 

[Taylor]

If Fremantle offer pick #27 and WC offer pick #23 then it's not going to suddenly become first round picks without balancing out the other end in either more salary for Bolton or picks coming back.

Something like #27 and F3 for Baker and #41

 

[Alfonz]

I think he's lost the pot.

Surely having that level of indecision on that choice would cool us on him considerably. I mean you'd think any pull to the WC would be primarily an emotional and/or financial one.

If you have any sort of drive for being in a contending team while your still able to make any sort of significant contribution, we're a lay down misére.

Why is it that Baker is the only one at fault for indecision? Maybe he can't get a firm commitment from Freo with everything else we've got going on with Bolton, Pickett, Warner, Sturt, Noddy, etc.

I think he jumped the gun with announcing he wants to head back west, but I don't see any issue with what he has done since.

 

[Paracleet]

Why is it that Baker is the only one at fault for indecision? Maybe he can't get a firm commitment from Freo with everything else we've got going on with Bolton, Pickett, Warner, Sturt, Noddy, etc.

I think he jumped the gun with announcing he wants to head back west, but I don't see any issue with what he has done since.

I think what is actually happening is that he would prefer WC but they won't commit (in informal discussions) as yet to the level of draft capital return he feels he owes Richmond. So there is a game of chicken going on.

Which is why I said its a bit disrespectful as in the above scenario we are clearly the least important party and being used as leverage (even if it is not a bluff and he would come here).

 

[freo84]

Why is it that Baker is the only one at fault for indecision? Maybe he can't get a firm commitment from Freo with everything else we've got going on with Bolton, Pickett, Warner, Sturt, Noddy, etc.

I think he jumped the gun with announcing he wants to head back west, but I don't see any issue with what he has done since.

Of all the players asking for trades only 2 have specified a club of choice publicly.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Of all the players asking for trades only 2 have specified a club of choice publicly.

Bakers a bit different in that he's one of only a few out of contract AND both his potential teams are out of finals. Additionally, if it's only 2 that have formally requested a team, most others everyone knows where they are going I think.

 

[malpaso]

I think he jumped the gun with announcing he wants to head back west, but I don't see any issue with what he has done since.

Probably right and had no idea that Bolton wanted to go back to WA as well. Baker probably thought he'd get a great deal from either club but he's ended up as sprinkles.

 

[freo84]

Bakers a bit different in that he's one of only a few out of contract AND both his potential teams are out of finals. Additionally, if it's only 2 that have formally requested a team, most others everyone knows where they are going I think.

You have your answer. He's waiting on who will coach the Eagles.

 

[mattis117]

Can I ask for a slight addendum that it be 9 and 10 with salary paid and picks?

Amendment*

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Amendment*

It can work and I choose to let it work.

 

[MadMundy]

This finals football stuff is boring, where's the real stuff? Like trade and free agency period?

 

[Alfonz]

I think what is actually happening is that he would prefer WC but they won't commit (in informal discussions) as yet to the level of draft capital return he feels he owes Richmond. So there is a game of chicken going on.

Which is why I said its a bit disrespectful as in the above scenario we are clearly the least important party and being used as leverage (even if it is not a bluff and he would come here).

It's not really disrespectful when it goes both ways. Baker wants WC. We want Bolton and Pickett. Neither party has the other as the main priority.

 

[arsesmart]

Why is it that Baker is the only one at fault for indecision? Maybe he can't get a firm commitment from Freo with everything else we've got going on with Bolton, Pickett, Warner, Sturt, Noddy, etc.

I think he jumped the gun with announcing he wants to head back west, but I don't see any issue with what he has done since.

They're stark choices. Maybe it's just the media game. But any wavering towards the WC is not adding to his attractiveness.

 

[Purple Suit]

Interesting thought, this was probably an area we have failed at through the 2010s as you point out.



Disagree on Treacy. I thought it was clearly apparent from year 1 that there was immense promise there. And I think that's the qualifier - if there isn't in year 1 or 2 then goodbye. If there's a clear potential ok keep the player.

Immense promise but he was getting AFL games because the cupboard was bare rather than developing in the WAFL. He kicked 13, 1 & 15 goals in his first 3 seasons. He had some knocks on himself, hence why he ended up as a Rookie selection be he's doubled his marks and tripled his goal output to announce himself.

Those sort of fairy tales happen less and less these days, especially with a team challenging rather than rebuilding. I believe that opportunity plays a big role with players making it and we just can't offer as much opportunities for rookies anymore. I'd be picking only mature rookies from now on so there isn't the AFL body building lead time required.

 

[apuchar]

Probably right and had no idea that Bolton wanted to go back to WA as well. Baker probably thought he'd get a great deal from either club but he's ended up as sprinkles.

We have apparently put an offer in front of him ages ago. I don't think it is about money.

 

[eastfreo75]

We have apparently put an offer in front of him ages ago. I don't think it is about money.

Years?

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

It's not really disrespectful when it goes both ways. Baker wants WC. We want Bolton and Pickett. Neither party has the other as the main priority.

 

[apuchar]

Years?

. Speculated at 5 years. Not sure how true.

 

[eastfreo75]

I guess "ages" is relative. Certainly over a month. Speculated at 5 years. Not sure how true.

5 years is a lot for a player who isn't a superstar.

 

[apuchar]

5 years is a lot for a player who isn't a superstar.

If it is true. Seems too much but I guess we had to make ourselves reasonably attractive as his preference is obviously WC