Michael Warners article 04/12/24. How woke and hypocritical the afl has become.

[Kappa]

Well, in the fact of your 'It's just xx or xy' comment from earlier, someone with XY chromosomes can get pregnant. So, as you can hopefully see, gender and biological sex isn't as simple as some people would like to make you believe.

Can you link the stories of biological males getting pregnant?

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Scientifically speaking, can someone with male genes get pregnant? Do u have a link?

This is kind of interesting in the way it lays out the 'spectrum' of gender.

Somewhere in all of that, society makes a call that a person is a chick or a dude.

But that's a societal call - not a scientific one.

 

[.Shotties.]

Scientifically speaking, can someone with male genes get pregnant? Do u have a link?

What do you mean male genes? Like Y chromosomes? It's biologically possible for someone with XY chromosomes to get pregnant.

 

[SSwans2011]

Can you link the stories of biological males getting pregnant?

What you're referring to is sex not gender. I recommend you look into the etymology of the word, but I know you won't.

In any case, it's not hard to find stories of females with Swyer Syndrome giving birth.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

I believe it is you who has not thought it through.

Yes trauma is not the same across separate instances. Using your own example of sexual assault, rape is a far greater trauma than being called a name that hurts your feelings.

I think name calling is on the very low end oppression-wise of what is defined as racism. Ditto sexism and any other "isms".

I often had this discussion many years ago with my dearly departed grandad, who fought in WW2 and had a massive chip on his shoulder about the Japanese in particular, forever denouncing that nation of people 50+ years after WW2, yet casually remarking that our indigenous "should just get over it" whenever their historical abuse was raised in our conversations.

He was also an enthusiastic proponent for the "stick and stones" policy when it came to name-calling of Asians, aboriginals, Italians etc, yet took massive offence when I asked how he might've handled being labelled a "coward" after the war, or his parish priest called a "pedo".

 

[Kappa]

What do you mean male genes? Like Y chromosomes? It's biologically possible for someone with XY chromosomes to get pregnant.

Can you link to the cases of biological males getting pregnant? thanks

 

[H00t]

Lmao, what you're talking about is anomalies or rare genetic mutations, that doesn't change the biological fact of male and female.

That's like saying because some babies are born with 11 toes therefore a human can have either 10 toes or 11 toes.

This kind of dumb ridiculous argument is why people are being pushed away from the left

This is nonsensical. These “anomalies” or rare genetic mutations exist everywhere.

From people with blue eyes, to red hair, to stretchy skin or even more muscle mass. These are all genetic mutations that occurred somewhere along the way.

Humans also can have more than 11 toes and less than 10. It’s all been well documented and photographed. Same with fingers as well. The human body is amazing like that.

The dumb argument is acknowledging people exist?

 

[H00t]

How about a women is a human that is of the nature to get pregnant?

This is a ridiculous thing to say.

Is a woman not a woman past menopause? Or if she has a hysterectomy? What about if she is unable to fall pregnant due to genetic factors? Or a severe injury?

Do you not classify these people as women?

 

[Bunk Moreland]

 

[.Shotties.]

Can you link to the cases of biological males getting pregnant? thanks

You seem like the kind of dude who leans very heavily on how irrational his opposition is, yet here you are, not engaging with the actual evidence being presented to you, like Lavender Bushranger above and instead asking for a very specific type of evidence using a broad term. Changing your definition of what a woman is from xx chromosomes to 'of the nature of getting pregnant' in the meantime.

 

[Kappa]

This is a ridiculous thing to say.

Is a woman not a woman past menopause? Or if she has a hysterectomy? What about if she is unable to fall pregnant due to genetic factors? Or a severe injury?

Do you not classify these people as women?

Maybe you should try read my post? Did you considering doing that?

"of the nature to get pregnant". That means they can get pregnant, however if they can't then something went wrong, eg age or a serious medical issue. It's not hard to understand.

A male cannot get pregnant, ever, that's the difference.

Strange how we lost common sense recently.

 

[Kappa]

You seem like the kind of dude who leans very heavily on how irrational his opposition is, yet here you are, not engaging with the actual evidence being presented to you, like Lavender Bushranger above and instead asking for a very specific type of evidence using a broad term. Changing your definition of what a woman is from xx chromosomes to 'of the nature of getting pregnant' in the meantime.

What a dumb post, I'm not changing my argument, people bring up ridiculous "what about XXY chromosome" arguments and then said biological men can get pregnant, I then asked for evidence and everyone went silent.

It's very easy to know what a man and women is.

Individuals can call themselves whatever they want, that doesn't change male and female.

 

[.Shotties.]

What a dumb post, I'm not changing my argument, people bring up ridiculous "what about XXY chromosome"

You were the first to mention chromosomes. You then stopped responding to that line when it was pointed out. I'm not sure why you think the complexity of sex markers is ridiculous other than the fact that it goes beyond what you've understood to this point.

Again, you haven't responded to a pretty in-depth chart. Why?

arguments and then said biological men can get pregnant, I then asked for evidence and everyone went silent.

What's a biological man?

It's very easy to know what a man and women is.

Okay, go.

 

[Cyclops]

What you're referring to is sex not gender. I recommend you look into the etymology of the word, but I know you won't.

In any case, it's not hard to find stories of females with Swyer Syndrome giving birth.

Yep, the moment anyone says" there's only male and female" they're in quicksand.

There's XX, XY, XXXX, XXY, XYY, I forgot all the combos, and some reproduce as both "female" and "male" too. Turns the definitions are hazy, overlapping, and sometimes nonsensical.

Studied this stuff back in the 1990s, it's not new, but people keep yelling "facts" instead of reading the science.

Man and woman are words. Man used to be a non gendered word,meant what human now means (the Latin term humani was gendered at one time iirc).

It's all a mess and the lack of fixed meaning can be upsetting. You see it ITT.

 

[Cyclops]

Maybe you should try read my post? Did you considering doing that?

"of the nature to get pregnant". That means they can get pregnant, however if they can't then something went wrong, eg age or a serious medical issue. It's not hard to understand.

A male cannot get pregnant, ever, that's the difference.

Strange how we lost common sense recently.

Right. My shoe cannot get pregnant ever. Is it a man?

Asking for my mate Diogenes.

 

[threesixpio]

It’s a social phenomenon that will pass. Future generations will study it at length and pose questions such as; How was is it that the concept of a level playing field was resisted by so many? And. Why did society turn their attention to those lower in the pecking order rather those higher in the pecking order when venting their frustrations? And. How is it that empathy was seen as vice instead of a virtue?

Hmmm. It’s pretty ingrained and has a strong philosophical tradition. Malthus, Galton. I think this “it’s a flash in the pan selfish capitalistic modern curse” thing is wrong.

They’re have been campaigners around for ages basically

What’s interesting now is just how aggressive it’s getting.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

The funniest thing is that there's people here who thinks it's only the right using the term now to mock the looney left.

The centre uses it, the old school liberal types are even starting to use it.

The weirdo element of the left really are great at bringing all kinds of people together to oppose their weirdo ways.

Maybe inside your head that’s the reality.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Umbrella term for individuals who are engrossed by social justice and thinks of themselves as saviors with a moral high ground, but remain willfully ignorant to the irrationality of their claims and the problems they create. These individuals give special treatment to certain minorities in hopes of ending racism and perpetuate mental illnesses as the norm.

Yeah but according to who.

You could say this stuff about anyone, given the complete lack of an agreed metric.

All you’ve done is tell us what you think it means by rehashing stereotypes that don’t fit your purview.

 

[thejester]

Lmao, what you're talking about is anomalies or rare genetic mutations, that doesn't change the biological fact of male and female.

That's like saying because some babies are born with 11 toes therefore a human can have either 10 toes or 11 toes.

But that is literally true? Purely on the basis of the facts as you've presented them?

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

I really think the 'what is a woman?' thing is irrelevant.

It's pushed hard by the bible bashers, but is a red herring that unfortunately clouds the genuine trans related discussions.

Should trans athletes be able to compete with women? Should doctors and parents be allowed to perform irreversible medical procedures on minors? etc. etc.

These are genuine discussions with multiple layers and valid arguments on both sides. Personally I don't particularly care, and don't have any first hand experience to offer much value those discussions, but I understand that other people do.


But the 'define what is a woman' debate is irrelevant. Science isn't even certain, and society has moved the goalposts over the years - and probably will again in the near future.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Hmmm. It’s pretty ingrained and has a strong philosophical tradition. Malthus, Galton. I think this “it’s a flash in the pan selfish capitalistic modern curse” thing is wrong.

They’re have been campaigners around for ages basically

What’s interesting now is just how aggressive it’s getting.

Malthusian thought is that wars, pestilence and plagues are necessary to reduce the numbers of the great unwashed and Hawthorn supporters

 

[smish]

When are the mods going to move this to the SRP board?

 

[Bostonian]

Yeah but according to who.

You could say this stuff about anyone, given the complete lack of an agreed metric.

All you’ve done is tell us what you think it means by rehashing stereotypes that don’t fit your purview.

No, I just cut and paste from urban dictionary.

Which means this is a common enough view that it made a site that's been part of online culture for years now.

 

[Underarm]

I really think the 'what is a woman?' thing is irrelevant.

It's pushed hard by the bible bashers, but is a red herring that unfortunately clouds the genuine trans related discussions.

True.

Should trans athletes be able to compete with women? Should doctors and parents be allowed to perform irreversible medical procedures on minors? etc. etc.

These are genuine discussions with multiple layers and valid arguments on both sides. Personally I don't particularly care, and don't have any first hand experience to offer much value those discussions, but I understand that other people do.

Also True.

But also just in general Trans atheletes in Sports is Irrelevant and masks real debate about actual issues for Sports; and For Trans rights.

 

[Bostonian]

I really think the 'what is a woman?' thing is irrelevant.

It's pushed hard by the bible bashers, but is a red herring that unfortunately clouds the genuine trans related discussions.

Should trans athletes be able to compete with women? Should doctors and parents be allowed to perform irreversible medical procedures on minors? etc. etc.

These are genuine discussions with multiple layers and valid arguments on both sides. Personally I don't particularly care, and don't have any first hand experience to offer much value those discussions, but I understand that other people do.


But the 'define what is a woman' debate is irrelevant. Science isn't even certain, and society has moved the goalposts over the years - and probably will again in the near future.

It's funny that you think it's just pushed hard by religious people.

I mean atheists were turned upon by the bat shit crazy weirdo element of the left years ago.

Many of them hold similar views to those religious people on that issue.