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I notice Matt’s meters gained is the worst on the page for the mids.
I find the defence of Crouch somewhat refreshing because I don’t really enjoy a pile on, if somewhat surprising this season.
That said - For me Crouch’s stats didn’t really change all that significantly between being dropped and coming back in, they (AFC) just changed the narrative about him and spoke about him being more positive.
My concern with Crouch is his limitations - slow, does not defend that well, not a defensive mid. Add his inflexibility to play in any other position means he blocks opportunities for more talented players.
His best football was in 2017 which is now 7 years ago,
If he can’t help prevent opposition run ons and defend then they need to move on from him, and find a defensive balance for the more attacking mids the crows are developing.
Berry deficiencies are way worse than Crouch's. I have no issue trying the midfield out without Crouch but if we're using Berry in that role we're not going to get anywhere. No one can win clearances as well as Crouch can at the club.
Milera doesn't really excell at anything playing HB. Not a lot of run and carry, not a huge kick, not much defenesively, prone to brain farts. His manager has fleeced us getting him a 5 extention years ago.
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WaynesWorld19
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It’s the negativity that comes with mature players coming back from injury ….. there is an ageism bias amongst supporters
Milera is highly talented ….. i just don’t get either, that people just can’t see the difference he makes to the side
WaynesWorld19
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Pure rubbish …. you have some strange takes sometimes
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I think Matt made a visible change at the end of '23 - he started to take options that were forward of the ball (instead of just releasing it to a player not in an attacking position), and he hit the contest at pace, trying to be more proactive.I notice Matt’s meters gained is the worst on the page for the mids.
I find the defence of Crouch somewhat refreshing because I don’t really enjoy a pile on, if somewhat surprising this season.
That said - For me Crouch’s stats didn’t really change all that significantly between being dropped and coming back in, they (AFC) just changed the narrative about him and spoke about him being more positive.
My concern with Crouch is his limitations - slow, does not defend that well, not a defensive mid. Add his inflexibility to play in any other position means he blocks opportunities for more talented players.
His best football was in 2017 which is now 7 years ago,
If he can’t help prevent opposition run ons and defend then they need to move on from him, and find a defensive balance for the more attacking mids the crows are developing.
I think he's safe and very underestimated around here - but there's a lot of competition for spots
I also think clubs don't really use metres gained as a stat - I think they use assisted metres gained?
He's shown very little over his career.
It's not hate, it's the fact people think he walks straight back into the best 23 after YET ANOTHER long term injury.
We've got half backs coming out of our backsides, none of whom deserve to make way for him, at least not early in the season.
Agree - he should have to earn his spot thru pre season and trial game form like anyone else , I’d have Nank ahead at this stage
But to say he doesn’t give the side anything or hasn’t over his career isn’t right either . He’s had some good patches at half back . Struggled in other positions
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Why is that!
You have your opinion, I have my opinion, aren't people allowed to have a different opinion to yours?
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For the life of me I don't get the Milera love at all. Guy does like 2 slick side steps a year (when he's not injured) and people are looking at him like he's Andrew McCleod.
Has he ever once torn a game apart? Even Jones had that one Showdown.
Not saying he's a bad player but I don't see anything next level about him at all.
Has he ever once torn a game apart? Even Jones had that one Showdown.
Not saying he's a bad player but I don't see anything next level about him at all.
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He's had a couple of stretches where he's been very damaging - but he has taken a while to get back from injuries in the past and get comfortable with in game pressure, so I'd agree that he surely needs time in the SANFL.
I agree with the posters who've pointed out the volume of small/midsized defenders we have - Isaac Cumming, Mitch Hinge, Max Michalanney, Chayce Jones, Luke Nankervis, Rory Laird, Wayne Milera, Oscar Ryan, Hugh Bond, Brodie Smith. You can probably only play four to five of them.
Still, I'm glad Milera is showing a lot in match sims.
yeah - just pick the best guys for HB - no benefits of "maturity" for Smith or Milera. The ones that don't make it into best 23 go back to SANFL and continue to improve. He will get his go when the time comes, but frankly there are some other pretty exciting alternatives named there
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He's had two seasons where he looked great, played well, showed lots of agility and class. Accurate kick, great in traffic.
And then patella tendon ruptures, one in each knee, wiping out effectively two seasons each.
They've come at such a terrible time for his career too, missing this huge chunk of what should be his prime footballing years.
The guy has talent, skill and class. If he's playing at his ceiling he would be a gun AA level footballer. Dunno if we ever get to see that from him now. You'd hope so, but if he's not even able to crack the team, then that's a concern.
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I don't hate Milera, but he should no lower be assumed to be best 22.
Have said for sometime that he needs at least a solid month of sanfl football before being considered for AFL.
We have plenty of depth for his position, so there is no need to rush his return like we have in the past to his detriment.
I’d be interested to see clearance rate per midfield minute. Crouch benefits by playing 100% of his TOG in the stoppage rotation. And I think you’ll find that Laird matches him when he’s in there.
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Reckon their clearance rates would be similar, but Crouch usually thinks more about how he is going to dispose the ball.
I don't know where that stat is, but Wheelo Ratings tracks centre clearances per centre bounce attendance.
Crouch runs at 14.3% (5th best in AFL for 2 or more clearances a game), Rankine 12.7%, Laird 12.2% and Soligo 12.0%. Berry goes at 8.1%.
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WaynesWorld19
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There’s no such thing as clearance rate per minute
WaynesWorld19
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Two things:
1. Given the disparity in CBA attendances between Rankine & Crouch …. statistically Rankine is the better clearance player
Add Peatling who offers speed, along with Rankine ..plus better defensive actions …. there’s no need for Crouch, given his defficiencies
2. Will Crouch get a new Contract at years end ? ….. doubt it, so prefer to get midfield games into Draper, Rachelle and Pedlar
Even ANB offers more defensive transition pressure than Crouch
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I assume Dawson is much lower.
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Statistically you would be wrong about Crouch v Rankine.
Check a few posts above.
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That's an interesting stat. What a great website ...
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I agree with you that Berry isn’t convincing as the alternative. Games where he has an attack of the fumbles are concerning.
I don’t think it has to be Crouch or Berry though. Soligo may well be the extractor for Peatling and Rankine. Or perhaps it’s Draper, or one of the other young lads.
