Welcome Welcome Luke Jackson!!!

[Piggy Smalls]

Make up my mind? How does Jackson winning a premiership for Melbourne affect the Dockers (apart from increasing his trade currency)?

We're talking about two players that played a similar structural role for THE DOCKERS.

Your comment is like saying trading in Hogan was a success because he won the Coleman. Yes, Jackson is a premiership player. The Dockers have had quite a few premiership players without winning a premiership.

Treacy plays the structural role that Lobb did

 

[Purple Suit]

Well it could be that it's not a question with a definitive answer and there is merit to both sides of the argument.

But thanks for proving my point that if you don't agree with the crowd you are going to be personally attacked.

It wasn’t a personal attack, just used your logic. Seems like you need to improve the same comprehension skills you are critical of others for.

 

[mattis117]

You guys are getting sucked in. Wigarus is not here to discuss anything with you, he's here to shit stir. He's posting controversial but defendable arguments and enjoying countering everything you say because he finds it fun, occasionally giving small concessions to keep you on the line, i.e., he thinks he's really smart and can play the rest of you for fools. Stop playing his game and he'll get bored and stfu.

 

[oldgoat]

I think a fairer way to look at this is to look at the combined output of each trio:

Hogan, Tabs and Lobb
Vs
Treacy, Jackson and Amiss

I know which 3 I'd want going forward.

Treacy has also played the backup ruck role as well so we have that versatility where we could throw big Jacko forward.

Direct comparisons are difficult but I can understand the points being made.

Amen!
No contest in the threeway comparison!
Im leading this CHEER....
Treacy, Jackson and Amiss Rule The Forward Half in 2025!

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

You guys are getting sucked in. Wigarus is not here to discuss anything with you, he's here to shit stir. He's posting controversial but defendable arguments and enjoying countering everything you say because he finds it fun, occasionally giving small concessions to keep you on the line, i.e., he thinks he's really smart and can play the rest of you for fools. Stop playing his game and he'll get bored and stfu.

He's really good at it to be fair.

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

He's really good at it to be fair.

Also to be fair. His actual arguments are normally overly simplistic and he has pretty limited knowledge on football. Eg. Full fitness Luke Jackson showed last year how ridiculously good he can be when fully fit. He was in our top 3 in our best and fairest up until around Round 9 and in the top 2 early on. He was clearly phisically inhibited in the second half of the year and he still finished top 9 while also finishing 4th in 2023. Meanwhile Lobb finished 10th when he had his best year at Freo as a 29 year in 2022.

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

At least I presented one.

You and huski just go straight to personal attacks.

That's all you do here and your football opinions express views that are limited in football knowledge at best and at worst the most factually provably ridiculous of any poster who contributes here. Jackson excels and score assists due to how efficient he is with his disposal. Lobb is a liability with ball in hand unless he is shooting at goal and someone so bad when rucking he was moved to defence. You cant talk what you dish out but then claim others insult. Im entitled to an opinion and my opinion is your views are staggeringly ignorant on anything football related. Feel free to disagree with my opinion but make no mistake people calling out dumbass views like yours have as much right to express their views as you do here.

 

[Big Animal]

you know there's an ignore button. I've had Wig and a couple of others on ignore for years. It's quite releasing.

 

[The Feeder Club]

We're better off with Jackson than Lobb, easily better off in my view.
There is a legitimate question about whether we got fleeced in the trade, but head to head as players Jackson is superior.
But Wig is right about the echo chamber. What a pile on over nothing.

 

[theGav56]

Which implies he isn’t an upgrade or you are a nit picking numpty trying to sit on the fence and stir shit.

Which one is it?

It's not an unreasonable discussion point. Of course Lobb had to go, so it is moot, but Jackson was being given a bit of the Messiah treatment on here.

 

[blinkd]

I'm not sure you could say that Jackson was Lobbs direct replacement. You could say we replaced Hogan with Treacy and Lobb with Amiss. Where Jackson fits in to this puzzle...I dont know.

This is the biggest issue with LJ is where does he play.

With a fully fit and firing team the only real spot I see is being a tall hff, drifting up the wing as marking option?

 

[theGav56]

This is the biggest issue with LJ is where does he play.

With a fully fit and firing team the only real spot I see is being a tall hff, drifting up the wing as marking option?

Pretty much what I want to see. I think that maximises his capacity as a disrupter. Even better if his role is less defined than you may be suggesting.

 

[pK75]

In many ways I agree with the argument that in 2023 we would have been better off with a mature 29yo Lobb than a developing 22yo Jackson.
Equally it could be argued that we’d have been better off with acres than Aish/Henry on the wing and Mundy in the middle was better than JOM.
Long term though, Jackson offers way more than Lobb, likewise Sharp and NOD offer more than Acres on the wing and Young has already pushed JOM out of the middle.

 

[oldgoat]

Comparing Jackson 2023 (or 2024 for that matter) to Lobb 2022 isn't particularly enlightening. Jackson has spent considerable time rucking due to Darcy's injuries, and that's obviously going to impact all those stats.

If you're gonna compare Lobb to Jackson statistically, it'd be Lobb 2019 coz he spent a more similar amount of time rucking. And it reveals what pretty much everyone knows: peak Lobb's better in the air, Jackson's better at pretty much everything else, and they're about the same level in terms of goalscoring prowess.

and...The Unicorn hasnt peaked!
Go Dogga!

 

[oldgoat]

He might not do tiktok but Dogga does do local Toyota commercials and THEY ARE FANTASTIC.

Watch a couple of those, Wigarus, you complicated individual. Bathe in the simple splendour of a bloke with more flashes of individual brilliance than you have had turgid fantasies where everyone recognises your greatness and apologises to you, crafting a statue in your honour to appease you, perhaps sacrificing a couple of virgins if we can find them.

better... coupla chooks!

 

[Tony_Clifton]

Luke Jackson is still a player supporters dream on rather than rely on. If he does a few nice things it can keep the dream alive. If I'm an opposition coach Luke Jackson is the least of my concerns when playing Fremantle.

 

[Docker82]

Jeez people are harsh on Lobb. He had his faults but he played some reasonably good footy for us.

It’s a case of the media overrating a player and the fans thinking he’s overrated so much they think he actually does nothing at all and said player actually becomes underrated.

35 goals whilst playing as the second ruck isn’t anything to sneeze at. Him being the no.1 ruck year one he was here was a good contribution too given Darcy’s lack of experience at the time.

Was he worth the draft cost? When you consider we actually probably got more for him than we gave up it’s not even debatable. Was he worth the salary we paid him? Perhaps not but we would’ve been pretty ****ed without him.

Honestly now we have Treacy and Amiss at a good level Jackson is probably better for us than Lobb would be - throw in Lobb’s age and it’s a no brainer. When Lobb was in the side our other forwards were off partying at every opportunity (Hogan, McCarthy) or injured by about round ten or so (Taberner). Lobb made his contribution and left for good return. The mistake people made was thinking he was ever the superstar the media made him out to be - he actually played his career best footy at Freo.

 

[Wigarus]

You guys are getting sucked in. Wigarus is not here to discuss anything with you, he's here to shit stir. He's posting controversial but defendable arguments and enjoying countering everything you say because he finds it fun, occasionally giving small concessions to keep you on the line, i.e., he thinks he's really smart and can play the rest of you for fools. Stop playing his game and he'll get bored and stfu.

You got me. I've been posting here for 14 years (as of today ironically) just to wind you up.


I thought this club had seriously turned a corner when we hired Ross. In 2019 I thought we were just around the corner from another finals assault like most of you do now. Since then the list seems to get younger each year with more 'potential'.

I don't post with any other accounts. Just because you disagree with me and so do all your mates doesn't mean I'm wrong, there has been a mass exodus of posters from this forum over the last 10 years. You won't find a single post of mine that criticizes a player for a skill error.

And also just to whet your appetite further, I'm friends with members of the grand final team and most of my views are based on things I've been told in person by them that aren't public knowledge.

I partied with Shauny Mac the night before the grand final, I've met JLO and Alcock. I'm not just basing things off what I read on the internet.

 

[Taylor]

I want Jackson taking more marks, I know Champion Data has a stat for dropped marks and contested mark loses but I don't have access to that.

I expect his score will be below average, but it will flip like a switch to elite if he starts catching the ball.

 

[mattis117]

You got me. I've been posting here for 14 years (as of today ironically) just to wind you up.


I thought this club had seriously turned a corner when we hired Ross. In 2019 I thought we were just around the corner from another finals assault like most of you do now. Since then the list seems to get younger each year with more 'potential'.

I don't post with any other accounts. Just because you disagree with me and so do all your mates doesn't mean I'm wrong, there has been a mass exodus of posters from this forum over the last 10 years. You won't find a single post of mine that criticizes a player for a skill error.

And also just to whet your appetite further, I'm friends with members of the grand final team and most of my views are based on things I've been told in person by them that aren't public knowledge.

I partied with Shauny Mac the night before the grand final, I've met JLO and Alcock. I'm not just basing things off what I read on the internet.

I've met you too, a very long time ago there was a meet up in Subi before a game, must be 10 years ago or something. We both go way back.

I'm not saying you're wrong. I don't care about this particular topic, however, I disagree on your position that JL is a bust. My position has always been that it remains too early to know on that. There has been enough evidence to show he may be so long as one puts aside the actual W/L record, which should never be used in isolation to make judgement.

It is absolutely true that you're shit stirring people.

You're allowed to get excited for this season. It's ok. We'll all get hurt together if it doesn't work out. But maybe, just maybe, it is for real this time.

I will always remain stoic and find ways to turn obstacles into opportunity .

May the footy gods bless us this season.

I'm trying not to think about it too much because I can't let my hopium overcome me. But gee things are looking good for a strong run this year. There's something about 2025, I can just feel it within.

 

[Redgum]

What people have missed is Jackson could easily be a midfielder,( if he had a run at it injury free) his work at stoppages and use of the ball is excellent for a guy his size, way more than Lobb.

 

[theGav56]

What people have missed is Jackson could easily be a midfielder,( if he had a run at it injury free) his work at stoppages and use of the ball is excellent for a guy his size, way more than Lobb.

I think it's the coach who may have missed it. They have asked him to bulk up.

 

[Arkhitect]

I suspect we won't see the best of Jackson until Darcy is fully fit and remains fit for an extended period of time. Being pigeon-holed into a full-time ruck role on too many occasions has stunted his impact on the team. In my eyes, I still see 'peak' Jackson as a giant goal kicking midfielder who can provide a chop out in the ruck, on occasion.

I hope that the club isn't as pigheaded this season and gives Reidy more opportunity if Darcy continues to have issues. We really need to maintain our two-ruck structure so that Jackson can shine and Freo can get some real return on its investment.

 

[theGav56]

I suspect we won't see the best of Jackson until Darcy is fully fit and remains fit for an extended period of time. Being pigeon-holed into a full-time ruck role on too many occasions has stunted his impact on the team. In my eyes, I still see 'peak' Jackson as a giant goal kicking midfielder who can provide a chop out in the ruck, on occasion.

I hope that the club isn't as pigheaded this season and gives Reidy more opportunity if Darcy continues to have issues. We really need to maintain our two-ruck structure so that Jackson can shine and Freo can get some real return on its investment.

If the club was planning to use Jackson as a midfielder I don't think they would have asked him to add some kilos. I think they are doubling down on Jackson as a ruck/forward.

My real worry with that is that if Darcy is injured they may prefer Voss over Reidy.

 

[pK75]

If the club was planning to use Jackson as a midfielder I don't think they would have asked him to add some kilos. I think they are doubling down on Jackson as a ruck/forward.

My real worry with that is that if Darcy is injured they may prefer Voss over Reidy.

Geeze, I hope you're wrong, If Darcy is injured we need to play Reidy as backup, in my mind it’s that simple. Maybe Jackson plays more minutes in the ruck than he would when Darcy is playing, but he can’t be expected to shoulder main ruck duties, its a waste of his talent.