Rumour 2024 Rumours and Speculation Part 3

[spenze]

That'll be his management team driving up the price.

 

[Coopers]

The least likely is that we paid 100% of the cap which eliminates any end of season flexibility to pay out guys like him, which we were able to do with Brown just 2-3 years ago. And the unspent isn't lost, it's banked, so you can still use it going forward.

Isn't it lost? How long can you bank the unspent cap for?

There must be some rules around this, cos I would abuse the hell out of that in a rebuild period by saving unspent cap space, and then going and buying a shit ton of good players.

 

[George CantStandYa]

Isn't it lost? How long can you bank the unspent cap for?

There must be some rules around this, cos I would abuse the hell out of that in a rebuild period by saving unspent cap space, and then going and buying a shit ton of good players.

Minimum spend is 95% and you can carry that 5% into the following year

 

[PeterSalt]

Isn't it lost? How long can you bank the unspent cap for?

There must be some rules around this, cos I would abuse the hell out of that in a rebuild period by saving unspent cap space, and then going and buying a shit ton of good players.

Not sure about now, but pre Covid you could carry forward under spend for 2 years

In theory it isn't lost as such, the club just loses the ability to control how it's spent

Any under spend is divided up amongst the playing group. AFLPA is supposed to get involved and liaise with the playing group to decided how the excess is divided

You can over spend by up to 5% for 2 consecutive years as well

 

[Coopers]

Not sure about now, but pre Covid you could carry forward under spend for 2 years

In theory it isn't lost as such, the club just loses the ability to control how it's spent

Any under spend is divided up amongst the playing group. AFLPA is supposed to get involved and liaise with the playing group to decided how the excess is divided

Well... then it is lost? Cos you're just paying it out amongst some people and not using directly towards a contract payment.

Unless it counts towards their contracts? In which case it's not unspent cap space in the first place.

You can over spend by up to 5% for 2 consecutive years as well

This must be how Geelong do it!

"It's a different two year period now, mate!"

I can see it now.

 

[Coopers]

Minimum spend is 95% and you can carry that 5% into the following year

Yeah, but can I do it every year for 10 years and then go buy the top 10 players in the AFL for the a season?

Or is the rule that you lose it?

 

[George CantStandYa]

Yeah, but can I do it every year for 10 years and then go buy the top 10 players in the AFL for the a season?

Or is the rule that you lose it?

there would have to be restrictions

 

[SugarShane]

The fundamental problem was selecting him, despite clear evidence that his form had disappeared as a result of Old Man Time tapping him on the shoulder, thereby allowing him to reach the trigger point.

We did a reverse Ricky Henderson on him. When Ricky finally hit career best form we stopped playing him to avoid him hitting his trigger and let him walk to Hawthorn where he then played his best footy for the next 2 years.

 

[1970crow]

It’s going to be hilarious to see the reaction of those who haven’t wanted us to draft a developing ruck if we pay $800k plus for Draper.

I see another Kristof account cancellation and new name upcoming.

 

[arrowman]

Any under spend is divided up amongst the playing group. AFLPA is supposed to get involved and liaise with the playing group to decided how the excess is divided

Any underspend below the 95% minimum, yes. That is, you have to spend at least 95% every year.

It's possible to go under 95% without shenanigans, e.g. if match payments etc. don't add up.

Yeah, but can I do it every year for 10 years and then go buy the top 10 players in the AFL for the a season?

No, there are limits - don't ask me the details.

 

[Mostyn]

Any underspend below the 95% minimum, yes. That is, you have to spend at least 95% every year.

It's possible to go under 95% without shenanigans, e.g. if match payments etc. don't add up.


No, there are limits - don't ask me the details.

When it was originally announced, you could only do it from one year to the next.

Vader may know if they later changed that.

Save, then spend: League's new player payments scheme announced - https://www.afl.com.au/news/50486

 

[1970crow]

Isn't it lost? How long can you bank the unspent cap for?

There must be some rules around this, cos I would abuse the hell out of that in a rebuild period by saving unspent cap space, and then going and buying a shit ton of good players.

Pretty sure it's 3 years rolling but up to a max of 105% when catching up. The only way to lose it would be by very poor management, which I don't think is on the table. It's not a complex area, if the club wanted Smith off the list and needed to find $400k to pay him out, then they'd have done it. Either by using existing space in the current year, picking up unspent from previous or reversing out some of the frontloading from other player's 2024 portion to the first payment in the 2025 contract year. It's not hard or complicated, they're adjusting contracts on the run quite a lot.

 

[George CantStandYa]

I see another Kristof account cancellation and new name upcoming.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that

 

[George CantStandYa]

When it was originally announced, you could only do it from one year to the next.

Vader may know if they later changed that.

Save, then spend: League's new player payments scheme announced - https://www.afl.com.au/news/50486

So we may not have used 100% of our cap to secure next years list……

 

[baldandbroke]

But the argument is rucks aren’t worth much, hence paying a recruit a lot means there’s value there.

So is it a better option to draft one, not spend much on salary and then you don’t have to pay big bucks to recruit one?

I don't think it's that they aren't worth much - it's more the fact there is usually only one per team on matchday.

Imo, you don't really want to have a slew of options in the ruck department taking up spots on your list.

Developing rucks through the draft costs a fair bit of both $ while developing them AND potential costs of missing out on more important players / roles that could be in those list spots.

I'm not saying the way we have done it is better, there has to be other things that come into it like the draft pool OR trade options at the time etc...

I'm not particularly happy with what we have in our Ruck division let's say its a "C" ... but I don't think that the cost of getting to an A is worth it. I'd take the B-grade version all day long if it isn't a huge cost to the rest of our list.

 

[George CantStandYa]

I don't think it's that they aren't worth much - it's more the fact there is usually only one per team on matchday.

Imo, you don't really want to have a slew of options in the ruck department taking up spots on your list.

Developing rucks through the draft costs a fair bit of both $ while developing them AND potential costs of missing out on more important players / roles that could be in those list spots.

I'm not saying the way we have done it is better, there has to be other things that come into it like the draft pool OR trade options at the time etc...

I'm not particularly happy with what we have in our Ruck division let's say it’s a "C" ... but I don't think that the cost of getting to an A is worth it. I'd take the B-grade version all day long if it isn't a huge cost to the rest of our list.

Problem is it looks like we are going to pay a B Grader an A grader wage because we’ve backed ourselves into a corner because we haven’t used one list spot on a developing ruck.

Now how many list spots are taken up by forwards, defenders and mids and how many don’t make it? Quite a few but we don’t stop drafting them and wasted years in development on them too.

One list spot on a developing ruck isn’t going to **** your list and it’s what every other club has or had who have now developed into their lead ruck.

 

[Chances Are]

I'm interested in seeing how McAndrew develops this season. If he's jumping over ROB, surely that's apromising sign.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I'm interested in seeing how McAndrew develops this season. If he's jumping over ROB, surely that's apromising sign.

ROB has never been a huge leaper.

 

[Mutineer]

I don't think it's that they aren't worth much - it's more the fact there is usually only one per team on matchday.

Imo, you don't really want to have a slew of options in the ruck department taking up spots on your list.

Developing rucks through the draft costs a fair bit of both $ while developing them AND potential costs of missing out on more important players / roles that could be in those list spots.

I'm not saying the way we have done it is better, there has to be other things that come into it like the draft pool OR trade options at the time etc...

I'm not particularly happy with what we have in our Ruck division let's say its a "C" ... but I don't think that the cost of getting to an A is worth it. I'd take the B-grade version all day long if it isn't a huge cost to the rest of our list.

Can't agree with this, unless we pay big overs we aren't getting an A grade ruckman via trade, we're not talking using a 1st rounder although it's strongly rumoured we may have spent our pick 21 on Taylor Goad if the Roos didn't swoop the pick before.

One spot on a young athletic developing ruckman is the only "cheap" way we will get an A grade ruckman IMO.

There is word around that we are seriously pursuing Sam Draper and believe me he ain't coming cheap, far from it.....Originally a rookie pick up by Essendon.

Max Gawn - #34
Rowan Marshall - rookie
Tristan Xerri - #72
Jarrod Witts #67
Oscar McInerny - rookie
Lloyd Meek - #69
Toby Nankervis - #35

 

[George CantStandYa]

Leek wants to play for the Crows.

Which is very strange because they don’t really need him, but for some reason they are interested.

Not sure about TDK or SDK.

I hope you don’t mind C4.

Agreed seems very strange.

 

[Scorpus]

I hope you don’t mind C4.

Agreed seems very strange.

He's ex-Academy so it isn't that surprising

 

[1990crow]

He's ex-Academy so it isn't that surprising

Same as NWM

 

[George CantStandYa]

He's ex-Academy so it isn't that surprising

Doesn’t seem to fill a position we need.

 

[SugarShane]

I hope you don’t mind C4.

Agreed seems very strange.

Wonder if it's more a case of him chasing us. A quick peek at his wikipedia page and the related source shows that his uncle was a massive Crows fan and got Leek hooked on the game by watching and talking about the Crows.

They would gather around the television, invested in a handful of teams and a collection of their favourite players, and watch every game they could. One uncle in particular, Chol, had already developed a fiery passion for the Adelaide Crows and was determined to ensure that Aleer followed in his footsteps.

Aleer would ask questions about the brute force of Mark Ricciuto, the grace of Andrew McLeod and the high-leaping abilities of Brett Burton. Aleer's uncles, at his insistence, would answer each and every one of them. Soon, their obsession became his and a dream to play at the highest level was born.

 

[Peter Doherty]

Can he ruck?