USA USA Presidential Election 2028 - assuming we're all still alive

[Carringbush2010]

Also happened in the 60's and 80's.
This right wing = Nazism is getting old and is so far from the truth. Anyone a fraction to the right of centre is a nazi to most raging lefties.

Yeah and 'raging lefties' number in the very few. msm and social might tell you different until you meet Jan and Joe public.

 

[Carringbush2010]

There's much more to right wing politics than Nazism.

I don't think Orban is a Nazi, I don't think Putin is a Nazi, I don't think Trump is a Nazi.

I do think they're all authoritarians, which is most decidedly not conservative politically, and not what I imagine most 'right-wing' voters actually support.

Here's a fun activity; the below should only take a couple of minutes and is an indication of the US political landscape were it divided amongst parties who legitimately represents a cohort of people (e.g. Biden and AOC shouldn't be in the same political party).

Opinion | Quiz: If America Had Six Parties, Which Would You Belong To? (Published 2021)

We can fix American politics. Just add more parties.

www.nytimes.com

I'd be intrigued to find where your views land you.

I found this for me.



This is surprisingly out of centre for me.

 

[faible]

Conservatism isn't necessarily 'right wing'.

Sure there are right wing conservatives, and there a lot more centred conservatives, that doesn't equate that conservatism is right wing.

That's literally what right-wing means in the left / right dichotomy.

Left–right political spectrum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In France, where the terms originated, the left has been called "the party of movement" or liberal, and the right "the party of order" or conservative.

 

[faible]

I found this for me.

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This is surprisingly out of centre for me.

Probably gives a better illustration of how the 'centre' isn't really a thing, along with simplifying it as left / right being fairly reductive.

You've got posters who would hate being called lefties, that are economically progressive, but because they lump anything 'left' in to the opposition team they're out to defeat they'll never, ever, support a 'left' party.

 

[Anzacpaul]

I'm getting to the stage where I don't think there'll be elections.

Look at the chaos already that Republicans are complicit in.

 

[Strange Cat]

I'm getting to the stage where I don't think there'll be elections.

Look at the chaos already that Republicans are complicit in.

Yep

Sad to say the only way out of this mess is a revolution, the legal system won’t protect the people and there’s no doubt with the upcoming protests that Trump will use it as a means to declare it a national emergency and use the national guards.

 

[liz]

I'm getting to the stage where I don't think there'll be elections.

Look at the chaos already that Republicans are complicit in.

Even Putin hasn’t abolished elections. They’re just a farce.

I can’t see there not being elections (unless civil war has erupted). How fair they will be is a different question.

 

[RedStarUncle]

That's literally what right-wing means in the left / right dichotomy.

Left–right political spectrum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Hence why the terms "alt-right", "far right", etc... if liberals of the left have wanted to drive progressive change while conservatives have wanted to maintain historic norms, the new right wants to actively drive regressive policies that favour the wealthy and marginalise minorities.

This isn't really conservatism... because it's an active movement to create a different kind of world.

 

[Carringbush2010]

That's literally what right-wing means in the left / right dichotomy.

Left–right political spectrum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

On this type of political spectrum, left-wing politics and right-wing politics are often presented as opposed, although a particular individual or group may take a left-wing stance on one matter and a right-wing stance on another; and some stances may overlap and be considered either left-wing or right-wing depending on the ideology.[1] In France, where the terms originated, the left has been called "the party of movement" or liberal, and the right "the party of order" or conservative.[2][3][4][5]

If this is what you're referring to , you may as well call the oz Liberals left wing.

Bit more nuanced than that, no one can claim every 'conservative' is right wing, for instance some conservatives are economically 'conservate' and socially progressive.

Anyways I think we're getting off thread topic here.

 

[SeaOfFire]

I'm going early here.

I don't think there will be a US presidential election in 4 years.

 

[Anzacpaul]

I'm going early here.

I don't think there will be a US presidential election in 4 years.

I'm wondering how long they'll keep the game up.

My guess is after going hard early, they'll take a few hits publicly from judges and Congress and roll back some of the crazyness.

This will give them time to establish roots in all areas of the government, so likely it won't be until closer to the mid terms (where Republicans will get slaughtered) when the masks truly come off.

 

[Strange Cat]

I'm wondering how long they'll keep the game up.

My guess is after going hard early, they'll take a few hits publicly from judges and Congress and roll back some of the crazyness.

This will give them time to establish roots in all areas of the government, so likely it won't be until closer to the mid terms (where Republicans will get slaughtered) when the masks truly come off.

One bad “riot” and they use emergency powers to declare it being too unsafe for elections

 

[Zidane98]

Just for shits n giggles I'd love to see the republicans put RFK jnr forward as their presidential candidate.

 

[Anzacpaul]

Just for shits n giggles I'd love to see the republicans put RFK jnr forward as their presidential candidate.

JD Vance is the quiet lurker in the background that concerns me a bit.

I'm sure Trump is being used as the idiot frontman for whatever Musk and the P2025 cronies have in mind in the background.

 

[Spearman]

I'm wondering how long they'll keep the game up.

My guess is after going hard early, they'll take a few hits publicly from judges and Congress and roll back some of the crazyness.

This will give them time to establish roots in all areas of the government, so likely it won't be until closer to the mid terms (where Republicans will get slaughtered) when the masks truly come off.

This.
It is what's going on in those other areas that are of more concern.
I can first more pressure on journalists who criticize anything Trump, Musk, or P25 related, including investigations and harassment.
Then they will start in at competing candidates who run on an anti-Trump/Muck/P25 platform.
The states will continue to make voting harder in their own ways.

 

[Freomaniac]

It's only February of 2025. A lot can happen between now and November 2028.

 

[SeaOfFire]

It's only February of 2025. A lot can happen between now and November 2028.

Well, that statement can be read 2 ways.....

Given that Trump said "I'll be a dictator just for one day"......and digesting everything since then.....we are still, obviously, on Day One.

 

[magpie_marty]

One bad “riot” and they use emergency powers to declare it being too unsafe for elections

Sadly I can see that occurring.

 

[Spearman]

This thing, conspiracy if you like, I'm finding interesting. Back in 2018 the GA governor election and voter list purge by Kemp, who was GA Sec. of State, ran the purge, and should have recused since he was the candidate, I remember reacting negatively to it mainly because it was so late in the process that most mistaken cases didn't have time to rectify it. It also highlighted the GOP efforts to use overt tactics to suppress voting.
Now, recently, there have been reports of number crunching showing that Trump benefited from various similar suppression policies around the country to run the table of battleground states in 2024. I am skeptical in that some appear to be monetization of the conspiracy.
BUT, the theory could hold water. I'd like to see some serious and rigorous analysis of numbers and results since 2018 to restore those voters and make sure there is election integrity for 2028. In any case, use it to push state governments introducing voter ID barriers, to simplify and assist the sorts of voters who would have difficulties obtaining one. It is ridiculous some of the impediments being put up by the GOP for legal citizens to vote.
Anyway here's another vid on the subject, from Kulinski this time. Food for thought.
Edit: Unfortunate clickbaity thumbnail image.

 

[GreyCrow]

This thing, conspiracy if you like, I'm finding interesting. Back in 2018 the GA governor election and voter list purge by Kemp, who was GA Sec. of State, ran the purge, and should have recused since he was the candidate, I remember reacting negatively to it mainly because it was so late in the process that most mistaken cases didn't have time to rectify it. It also highlighted the GOP efforts to use overt tactics to suppress voting.
Now, recently, there have been reports of number crunching showing that Trump benefited from various similar suppression policies around the country to run the table of battleground states in 2024. I am skeptical in that some appear to be monetization of the conspiracy.
BUT, the theory could hold water. I'd like to see some serious and rigorous analysis of numbers and results since 2018 to restore those voters and make sure there is election integrity for 2028. In any case, use it to push state governments introducing voter ID barriers, to simplify and assist the sorts of voters who would have difficulties obtaining one. It is ridiculous some of the impediments being put up by the GOP for legal citizens to vote.
Anyway here's another vid on the subject, from Kulinski this time. Food for thought.
Edit: Unfortunate thumbnail image.

Until there is an AEC - American Electoral Commission - it will continue to be a gerrymandered recipe for disaster and manipulation

 

[Spearman]

Until there is an AEC - American Electoral Commission - it will continue to be a gerrymandered recipe for disaster and manipulation

ahh not to worry, the GOP is working to put a stop to all that. There'll be no need for manipulations or questions.

 

[GreyCrow]

ahh not to worry, the GOP is working to put a stop to all that. There'll be no need for manipulations or questions.

While the GOP are the current bad guys what it does is eliminates ANY party manipulating - unless of course its filled with toadys

 

[Mofra]

Here he is. A new potential frontrunner for the Democratic nomination.

Chris Murphy Emerges as a Clear Voice for Democrats Countering Trump

The third-term senator from Connecticut is eschewing caution and throwing out the traditional political playbook as he seeks a broader audience for his critiques of the president and his agenda.

www.nytimes.com

 

[GreyCrow]

 

[iDon]

Here he is. A new potential frontrunner for the Democratic nomination.

Chris Murphy Emerges as a Clear Voice for Democrats Countering Trump

The third-term senator from Connecticut is eschewing caution and throwing out the traditional political playbook as he seeks a broader audience for his critiques of the president and his agenda.

www.nytimes.com

I like his work across Twitter and what he stands for.

Ticks lenty of boxes to help - white male, not gay, not a women, not a person of colour, did I mention not a person of colour and he is male. You're HIRED