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Who are the GOATS?

  • Selwood

    Votes: 110 39.1%
  • Dusty

    Votes: 177 63.0%
  • Hawkins

    Votes: 91 32.4%
  • J. Riewoldt

    Votes: 71 25.3%
  • C.Scott

    Votes: 78 27.8%
  • Hardwick

    Votes: 78 27.8%

  • Total voters
    281

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In the interests of keeping your back and forth shite fights out of match threads so normal people can talk.

Keep it clean and above the shorts
Off topic rubbish clogging up match threads will be moved here, knock yourselves out.

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29 Short
28 Hopper
27 Taranto
26 Lefau*
25 Miller, Balta
24 Mansell, Ross
22 M Rioli
21 Gibcus, Brown

* very small sample size just half a season but never looked out of place playing forward in a very weak team.

So it depends what you mean by decent. I take that to mean a player could get a game in an average AFL team without looking below average in their position. So by my reckoning we have up to 11 of those, but certainly more than 3 or 4.

Regardless, we are weak in this age range, you probably need 15-18 of these guys. Obviously over the next 4 years we lose 4 out the top end of this age range. But they are likely to be replaced by a dozen or more currently developing players from the 18-24yo age bracket who haven't made the grade yet.

So if we are talking about the next 2-3 years, the Richmond list is all wrong age wise. If we are talking about what the club is actually trying to do, ie be good in 4 years time and onwards, the the list age profile is in rude health.
That's a terribly quality deficient group of players to lead the way when the Tigers cubs are in that critical 18-22 year old development period.
 

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You might have missed the fact we have some players 30+ who have 16 Premierships between them to help our leadership along. 😉
Nonetheless there is a severe deficiency in proven, standard setting talent in that 21-29 year old cohort. It is something to be concerned about without needing to panic. A few quality additions are absolutely needed in the next 3 years. Butters, Rowell, Cadman, JUH, LDU, Allen - who can the Tigers lure?
 
Nonetheless there is a severe deficiency in proven, standard setting talent in that 21-29 year old cohort. It is something to be concerned about without needing to panic. A few quality additions are absolutely needed in the next 3 years.

You are only pointing out something I have already conceded. You are just adding dramatic language.

Richmond just cashed in 4 25-28yo multiple flag players for 5 x rd 1 picks + a pick in the 40's & a huge amount of cap space in order to improve their future prospects. I would have thought you knew that already.
 
You are only pointing out something I have already conceded. You are just adding dramatic language.

Richmond just cashed in 4 25-28yo multiple flag players for 5 x rd 1 picks + a pick in the 40's & a huge amount of cap space in order to improve their future prospects. I would have thought you knew that already.
I specifically said "no need to panic". You're such a drama queen!

It's one of the poorer 21 and above cohorts we've seen this century. So I do worry (without panicking) about foundation those elite picks are stepping onto.
 
I can see that Richmond has started the process to fix things, but I still put them down as one of the most problematic age profile distributions for at least this year and maybe the next 2 after that. Its probably the opposite problem to what this thread is normally about.

Collingwood is the obvious one at the other end of the scale. Lot of reliance on the top end with not a heap of youth there to step up. If they arent contending again this year they will probably have to start a hard turnover of players.

Brisbane and Carlton both started the rebuild about the same times (hence the threads comparing the rebuilds). Its no surprise that both are in win now mode. Both have probably another 2 years or so before age becomes a big issue.

It is spot on, the Richmond age profile is all wrong for performance in the next few seasons. But clearly the club is looking beyond the horizon with its list.
 
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I specifically said "no need to panic". You're such a drama queen!

It's one of the poorer 21 and above cohorts we've seen this century. So I do worry (without panicking) about foundation those elite picks are stepping onto.

Our 21 & above players are relatively weak. But it is you being dramatic. Given any decent sort of a run with injury they won't be shown to be amongst the poorest group this century, they are at least a rung above that.
 
How many wins and what % this season? Assume an "average" injury year.

As Fadge would say, w/l is so binary. 🤣

Average injury run the club should be in the 5-8 win range. But % around 75-80%.

There are so many variables though. Teams we play twice could suddenly collapse like we did last year and you are adding a couple of wins that way without performing any better. It wouldn't shock me if we don't have many wins, but I will be disappointed if our key players have a good injury run and our percentage is far below 75-80%.

I heard an interview with Hopper and he said they are aiming to be "in" games. I have no doubt the club is angling for another very high end draft pick to help build their future team, whilst also hoping North obliges with something around the top 5-6 picks.
 
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As Fadge would say, w/l is so binary. 🤣

Average injury run the club should be in the 5-8 win range. But % aroud 75-80%.

I heard an interview with Hopper and he said they are aiming to be "in" games.

There are so many variables though. Teams we play twice could suddenly collapse like we did last year and you are adding a couple of wins that way without performing any better. It wouldn't shock me if we don't have many wins, but I will be disappointed if our key players have a good injury run and our percentage is far below 75-80%.
I'll mark you down for 8 wins and 80%.

3 wins and 68% for me. I've set it low so that at least you feel like there's a "little win" if Richmond end up with 5 wins and 75%, for example.
 

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Richmond as a terrible club with no success on the horizon, stacked with elite 18 year olds, are uniquely vulnerable in the next 3 years.

Yep, sure.

Goes back and checks when Richmond last built a dynasty team, when we were an actual laughing stock of a club...zero major departures negatively affecting our dynasty.

We have a huge amount of free cap space which will make it very tough for contending clubs to lure players we want to keep away from us, and way more likely we can lure players the other way.
 
Yep, sure.

Goes back and checks when Richmond last built a dynasty team, when we were an actual laughing stock of a club...zero major departures negatively affecting our dynasty.

We have a huge amount of free cap space which will make it very tough for contending clubs to lure players we want to keep away from us.
You said every club had the same vulnerability.

Explain how they all have the combination of:

A) Stacks of elite 18 year olds.
B) A terribly quality deficient 21 and above cohort, signifying no chance of imminent success/competitiveness.

Richmond have a "ripe for the picking" scenario, especially if they have some truly terrible seasons 2025-2026 (very possible).

Like I've said, be concerned, but don't panic (I can sense you're panicking a bit).
 
Our 21 & above players are relatively weak. But it is you being dramatic. Given any decent sort of a run with injury they won't be shown to be amongst the poorest group this century, they are at least a rung above that.

The Tigers have a large group of younger players that look to have the ability to be decent AFL players. If a good chunk of them come through then the whole logic of the tiger trashers goes up in fire.

But it's not about the reality of the situation. It's about the feels - of getting MR to reply in detail and often :devil:
 
You said every club had the same vulnerability.

Explain how they all have the combination of:

A) Stacks of elite 18 year olds.
B) A terribly quality deficient 21 and above cohort, signifying no chance of imminent success/competitiveness.

Richmond have a "ripe for the picking" scenario, especially if they have some truly terrible seasons 2025-2026 (very possible).

Like I've said, be concerned, but don't panic (I can sense you're panicking a bit).

Lol, thank you for being perceptive enough to sense my sheer panic at the club stocking up on about 7 x top 10, 3 x 11-20 & 6 x 21-30 talents in the 5 years 2021-25 inclusive. I always dreaded the club would end up with a huge stock of young talent. 🤣
 
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The Tigers have a large group of younger players that look to have the ability to be decent AFL players. If a good chunk of them come through then the whole logic of the tiger trashers goes up in fire.

But it's not about the reality of the situation. It's about the feels - of getting MR to reply in detail and often :devil:

They love learning about Richmond while complaining every thread turns into being about Richmond. :cool:
 
Lol, thank you for being percetive enough to sense my sheer panic at the club stocking up on about 7 x top 10, 3 x 11-20 & 6 x 21-30 talents in the 5 years 2021-25 inclusive. I always dreaded the club would end up with a huge stock of young talent. 🤣
When you add the laughing emojis and the rants get more emotional it's a sign panic has crept in even more.

All I said was that Richmond are uniquely positioned as far as vulnerability to having elite 18 year olds scooped up. They are.
 
When you add the laughing emojis and the rants get more emotional it's a sign panic has crept in even more.

All I said was that Richmond are uniquely positioned as far as vulnerability to having elite 18 year olds scooped up. They are.

When you start making your posts about me, it is clear you have run out of new things to add to the conversation about the actual subject.
 
I wonder if Peter Matera did a first quarter hammy in the '92 grand final and Geelong went on to win it - do we get a Blight dynasty with the Cats in the years that followed? It would've got the monkey off the back, that's for sure.
Really depends on if Ablett was going through withdrawals or not
 

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